Interpretation of Prophecy: The pieces of the puzzle

[RBDERRICK]

Interpretation of prophecy of Scripture is not as hard as we make it out to be. The key is to understand that prophecy is a puzzle with many verses scattered throughout the Bible, that are the pieces that must be arranged in order to see the whole picture together.

Peter's admonition that no prophecy of Scripture is interpreted privately, therefore means that cutting corners of certain pieces to make them fit is a puzzle of our own making only.

Peter calls such verse cutting and reshaping, wresting the Scriptures and destroying the truth of prophecy of Scripture. One such obvious wrestling with Scripture is by changing the normal meaning of words into some personal definition of one's own making.

Here is a simple example of piecing a part of the prophetic puzzle together with verses written in different parts of the Bible:

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Rev 11:8)

And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: (Rev 17:1)

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. (Rev 17:5)

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Rev 17:18)

That great whore Mystery Babylon, is that great city spiritually Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified: Jerusalem.

The part of the puzzle written here is not all in order of the Bible, but is written in order to fit together in a cleanly spoken way.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Interpretation of prophecy of Scripture is not as hard as we make it out to be. The key is to understand that prophecy is a puzzle with many verses scattered throughout the Bible, that are the pieces that must be arranged in order to see the whole picture together.

Peter's admonition that no prophecy of Scripture is interpreted privately, therefore means that cutting corners of certain pieces to make them fit is a puzzle of our own making only.

Peter calls such verse cutting and reshaping, wresting the Scriptures and destroying the truth of prophecy of Scripture. One such obvious wrestling with Scripture is by changing the normal meaning of words into some personal definition of one's own making.

Here is a simple example of piecing a part of the prophetic puzzle together with verses written in different parts of the Bible:

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Rev 11:8)

And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: (Rev 17:1)

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. (Rev 17:5)

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Rev 17:18)

That great whore Mystery Babylon, is that great city spiritually Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified: Jerusalem.

The part of the puzzle written here is not all in order of the Bible, but is written in order to fit together in a cleanly spoken way.

Now if you can figure out why two witnesses of Christ are spending time with a drunken prostitute who persecutes the saints of God you win a chicken dinner.

 

[Paul Timothy]

Interpretation of prophecy of Scripture is not as hard as we make it out to be. The key is to understand that prophecy is a puzzle with many verses scattered throughout the Bible, that are the pieces that must be arranged in order to see the whole picture together.

Peter's admonition that no prophecy of Scripture is interpreted privately, therefore means that cutting corners of certain pieces to make them fit is a puzzle of our own making only.

Peter calls such verse cutting and reshaping, wresting the Scriptures and destroying the truth of prophecy of Scripture. One such obvious wrestling with Scripture is by changing the normal meaning of words into some personal definition of one's own making.

Here is a simple example of piecing a part of the prophetic puzzle together with verses written in different parts of the Bible:

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Rev 11:8)

And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: (Rev 17:1)

And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. (Rev 17:5)

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. (Rev 17:18)

That great whore Mystery Babylon, is that great city spiritually Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified: Jerusalem.

The part of the puzzle written here is not all in order of the Bible, but is written in order to fit together in a cleanly spoken way.

But by cutting and moving verses together you are altering the text of Revelation thereby running a foul of Rev 22:18-19.

Where do you get the Mystery Babylon Sodom/Egypt/Jerusalem connection?
You did not show a reference that would combine the two.
How does Jerusalem match ALL the descriptions of Babylon in Rev 18?

Some polishing still needs to happen for your theory to pass the sniff test.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

But by cutting and moving verses together you are altering the text of Revelation thereby running a foul of Rev 22:18-19.

Where do you get the Mystery Babylon Sodom/Egypt/Jerusalem connection?
You did not show a reference that would combine the two.
How does Jerusalem match ALL the descriptions of Babylon in Rev 18?

Some polishing still needs to happen for your theory to pass the sniff test.

I got the mystery Babylon -jerusalem connection about 20 years ago or more.Hes telling you how to get it.If you don't want to know,you certainly won't

 

[Paul Timothy]

I got the mystery Babylon -jerusalem connection about 20 years ago or more.Hes telling you how to get it.If you don't want to know,you certainly won't

Show the Biblical references and we can discuss it.
Otherwise it is just another man made idea.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Show the Biblical references and we can discuss it.
Otherwise it is just another man made idea.

There are so many,I would be typing all day.Not worth my time to try to teach someone who doesn't want to know.If you actually wanted to learn ,you would learn from scripture which is the subject of this thread.

Here is a prophecy concerning Jerusalem.
Do you not see a connection?

Isaiah 1;21
See how the faithful city has become a prostitute! She once was full of justice; righteousness used to dwell in her— but now murderers!

If not that then let's compare two verses.
Here is a prophecy from Christ.


Mathew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Revelation 18:24
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth


Like I said,I'm not going to post the many, many verses that point to Jerusalem because I don't believe you will understand anyway

 

[Paul Timothy]

There are so many,I would be typing all day.Not worth my time to try to teach someone who doesn't want to know.If you actually wanted to learn ,you would learn from scripture which is the subject of this thread.

Here is a prophecy concerning Jerusalem.
Do you not see a connection?

Isaiah 1;21
See how the faithful city has become a prostitute! She once was full of justice; righteousness used to dwell in her— but now murderers!

If not that then let's compare two verses.
Here is a prophecy from Christ.


Mathew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Revelation 18:24
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth


Like I said,I'm not going to post the many, many verses that point to Jerusalem because I don't believe you will understand anyway

No I don't see any connection that would meet the needs of Rev 18.
You do have one point of connection.
Please provide the others.
Purple and scarlet is enough of a connection for those who say the Whore is the RCC.
Is that enough to change your mind? I would hope not.
All the boxes need to be checked... not just one or two.
Please provide all the checkmarks needed by Rev 18.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

No I don't see any connection that would meet the needs of Rev 18.
You do have one point of connection.
Please provide the others.
Purple and scarlet is enough of a connection for those who say the Whore is the RCC.
Is that enough to change your mind? I would hope not.
All the boxes need to be checked... not just one or two.
Please provide all the checkmarks needed by Rev 18.

Do you believe Jesus could be wrong and Jerusalem not be responsible for ,
"ALL THE RIGHTEOUS BLOOD SHED UPON EARTH"
and that a different city could be responsible for the blood of prophets and of saints and of all that were slain upon earth?

Mathew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Revelation 18:24
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth


Do you believe Jesus could be wrong in the slightest instance?


Mathew 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God’s messengers! How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn’t let me.


Do you believe Jesus could be wrong in the slightest instance?

 

[Paul Timothy]

Do you believe Jesus could be wrong and Jerusalem not be responsible for ,
"ALL THE RIGHTEOUS BLOOD SHED UPON EARTH"
and that a different city could be responsible for the blood of prophets and of saints and of all that were slain upon earth?

Mathew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Revelation 18:24
And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth


Do you believe Jesus could be wrong in the slightest instance?


Mathew 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones God’s messengers! How often I have wanted to gather your children together as a hen protects her chicks beneath her wings, but you wouldn’t let me.


Do you believe Jesus could be wrong in the slightest instance?

No...Jesus is not wrong. But your interpretation very well could be.

Those two ideas are not exclusive.

So how does Jerusalem fulfill Rev 18?
All of Rev 18.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

No...Jesus is not wrong. But your interpretation very well could be.

Those two ideas are not exclusive.

So how does Jerusalem fulfill Rev 18?
All of Rev 18.

I'm not interpreting anything.
I'm quoting direct scripture and giving no interpretation.

Mathew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Is Jesus correct and Jerusalem is responsible for All the righteous blood shed upon earth or not,?

 

[Paul Timothy]

I'm not interpreting anything.
I'm quoting direct scripture and giving no interpretation.

Mathew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Is Jesus correct and Jerusalem is responsible for All the righteous blood shed upon earth or not,?

You put multiple verses together and implied that one phrase in one passage gave meaning to a similar phrase in another passage.

That is what I call interpretation.

To answer your question... I ask a question.
Is Jerusalem responsible for George Floyd's death?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

You put multiple verses together and implied that one phrase in one passage gave meaning to a similar phrase in another passage.

That is what I call interpretation.

To answer your question... I ask a question.
Is Jerusalem responsible for George Floyd's death?

Answer No
George Floyd was not righteous.
Now you answer my question.


I'm not interpreting anything.
I'm quoting direct scripture and giving no interpretation.

Mathew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Is Jesus correct and Jerusalem is responsible for All the righteous blood shed upon earth or not,?

 

[Paul Timothy]

Answer No
George Floyd was not righteous.
Now you answer my question.


I'm not interpreting anything.
I'm quoting direct scripture and giving no interpretation.

Mathew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.

Is Jesus correct and Jerusalem is responsible for All the righteous blood shed upon earth or not,?

How about all the abortions that happen every day?

Is Jerusalem responsible for them?

 

[RBDERRICK]

There are some more Scriptural pieces placed easily in the puzzle around the part, where Babylon the great in Revelation is that great city Jerusalem.

Gal 4 says New Jerusalem is the mother of all saints. This confirms God's view of a city being a ministerial mother.

The earthly mother is this Jerusalem, and the heavenly mother is New Jerusalem in heaven. While this Jerusalem was at times pure and faithful in ministry, and other times whorish with God and His people, the New Jerusalem of God will be forever perfectly pure and clean and true in all ministry therein.

And so, that great city Jerusalem on earth will be at the end, the Mother of all harlots at the time of the Lord's return to the city where He was slain.

The false prophets and teachers of God were as ministerial whores, and the Jezebel of whoredoms and witchcraft is so named for the false prophetess of Rev 2, that teaches the servants of God to defile the temple of God. And so Jerusalem is the Mother of all such false harlot prophets, apostles, teachers, and ministers of all times on earth.

By taking more and more pieces of Scripture together reveals a greater picture within the whole puzzle of prophecy.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

How about all the abortions that happen every day?

Is Jerusalem responsible for them?

Like I said,there no reason for me to waste my time with you.You can't even agree that Jesus is 100 percent correct in his statement that Jerusalem is responsible for ALL the righteous blood shed upon earth.The only thing you will do is try to find a way to discredit his words which you are now doing.


Mathew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.


It's a shame that you can't even come into agreement with Christ.

 

[RBDERRICK]

But by cutting and moving verses together you are altering the text of Revelation thereby running a foul of Rev 22:18-19.

Your claim of it adding to or taking away Scripture, is just your disagreement, without proof.

Where do you get the Mystery Babylon Sodom/Egypt/Jerusalem connection?

The reason you give no proof, is because you consistently refuse to even read what is written.

You did not show a reference that would combine the two.

As I said.

How does Jerusalem match ALL the descriptions of Babylon in Rev 18?

Since great Babylon is Jerusalem before the Lord's return, then the question answers itself, by reading what is is occuring in Jerusalem at the time.

Some polishing still needs to happen for your theory to pass the sniff test.

Not with you. You don't so much as sniff, especially not read.

 

[Paul Timothy]

Like I said,there no reason for me to waste my time with you.You can't even agree that Jesus is 100 percent correct in his statement that Jerusalem is responsible for ALL the righteous blood shed upon earth.The only thing you will do is try to find a way to discredit his words which you are now doing.


Mathew 23:35
And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.


It's a shame that you can't even come into agreement with Christ.

What exactly did Jesus say?
What are the exact details of the Greek words used?
What was His facial expression when saying this passage?
Was any word emphasized differently than the rest?

Jesus appears yo have said these words... but can you be certain of what He meant by it?

If anyone can come up with an alternative interpretation then it is at least possible that the alternative reading might be valid.

Or not.

How was Jerisalem responsible for Abel's death and all the aborted babies in the world? How is yhat possible?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

What exactly did Jesus say?
What are the exact details of the Greek words used?
What was His facial expression when saying this passage?
Was any word emphasized differently than the rest?

Jesus appears yo have said these words... but can you be certain of what He meant by it?

If anyone can come up with an alternative interpretation then it is at least possible that the alternative reading might be valid.

Or not.

How was Jerisalem responsible for Abel's death and all the aborted babies in the world? How is yhat possible?

Like I said.You can't even agree with Christ.

 

[Paul Timothy]

Like I said.You can't even agree with Christ.

I said He said the words.
Do you 100% understand the passage you are quoting?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I said He said the words.
Do you 100% understand the passage you are quoting?

I have no problem understanding what he is saying.Ive already said,I've known mystery Babylon was Jerusalem for about 20 years or so.

I also said I would be wasting my time typing anything for you and I was right.A complete waste of time.Time for me to do some work.