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By repenting of the false witness that our Lord was a sinner being cursed by God. But here's what Paul is quoting really says,

If someone is guilty of a capital offense Deu.21:22

Many Bible students ignore this stipulation for putting a man to death. This requirement makes it impossible for Christ to be seen as a curse to his Father, but that's not what Paul meant. Paul showed how the Messiah was seen as a curse by religious leaders and others who hated God. In fact, by saying Jesus became a curse for us, he means he was lied about,

It is enough for students to be like their teachers, and servants like their masters. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebul, how much more the members of his household! Mt.10:25

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Mt.5:11

Look at what they're saying.
You answered incorrectly. According to Gal 3:13 how were the believers redeemed from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
 

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I don't understand your comment of the above. Christ and His law went hand-in-hand.
Law must change by a changing of High Priest. When Christ became High Priest, His priesthood brought NEW law with it, replacing entirely ALL prior law pertaining to salvation and of being saved, including the Levitical priesthood and its law (the law of the Jews). Any law you may reference in existence before Christ, was annulled by/with/in Christ: it is GONE. Now there are only two laws relevant to salvation: the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and the law of sin and death.

Everyone falls under one or the other and cannot move from one to the other of themselves.
Please read again the verses again:

[Heb 7:12, 18 KJV]
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. ...
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

"them that are sanctified": the saved
"my laws": 1) the law of the Spirit of life in Christ and, 2) the law of sin and death
"into their hearts, and in their minds": those who become saved

[Heb 10:14 KJV]
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

[Heb 10:16-18 KJV]
16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.
The commandments were part of the law.
Were they also abolished?
 

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You answered incorrectly. According to Gal 3:13 how were the believers redeemed from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Jesus
God
The creator of the universe.
Is cursed.

You have interesting concepts.
Which are not biblical.
 

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Jesus
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The creator of the universe.
Is cursed.

You have interesting concepts.
Which are not biblical.
According to Gal 3:13 how were the believers redeemed from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
 

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I don't understand your comment of the above. Christ and His law went hand-in-hand. Law must change by a changing of High Priest. When Christ became High Priest, His priesthood brought NEW law with it, replacing entirely ALL prior law pertaining to salvation and of being saved, including the Levitical priesthood and its law (the law of the Jews). Any law you may reference in existence before Christ, was annulled by/with/in Christ: it is GONE.
Absolutely not, because the Messiah said,

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Mt.5:17

You're ignoring this,

For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Mt.5:18

Any interpretation of scripture which disagrees with this is wrong, so you're wrong.
Now there are only two laws relevant to salvation: the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and the law of sin and death.

Everyone falls under one or the other and cannot move from one to the other of themselves.
Please read again the verses again:

[Heb 7:12, 18 KJV]
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. ...
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
The disannuling of the law before it was given to Moses is that Melchizedek couldn't die, which means the law that came 400 years later, could not condemn him
"them that are sanctified": the saved
"my laws": 1) the law of the Spirit of life in Christ and, 2) the law of sin and death
"into their hearts, and in their minds": those who become saved

[Heb 10:14 KJV]
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
The sanctified are those who come to him. Sinners come to him because they believe what he said and follow what he taught,

Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them. Heb.7:25
[Heb 10:16-18 KJV]
16 This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
18 Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin.
There's no more offering for sin because Jesus offered himself once and will himself, never be abused like that again.
You don't seem to understand how the OT sacrifice produced confession of sin, because what mankind did to the Lamb of God was sinful...and it won't be repeated.
 

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You answered incorrectly. According to Gal 3:13 how were the believers redeemed from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
He's saying Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, because when doing something that would bring judgment on them (like abusing Jesus...WOW!) he will forgive the repentant and raise us to life eternally.
You don't seem to understand how our Savior bore the sins of mankind by being ridiculed, spit on, beaten and crucified.
You don't understand this because when Paul says,

Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 1Cor.15:3

He means Jesus was put to death contrary to the provisions stipulated by the law of Moses.
 

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He's saying Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, because when doing something that would bring judgment on them (like abusing Jesus...WOW!) he will forgive the repentant and raise us to life eternally.
You don't seem to understand how our Savior bore the sins of mankind by being ridiculed, spit on, beaten and crucified.
You don't understand this because when Paul says,

Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 1Cor.15:3

He means Jesus was put to death contrary to the provisions stipulated by the law of Moses.
You still answered wrongly. Dont worry about it !
 

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Absolutely not, because the Messiah said,

Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Mt.5:17
The law and the Prophets were fulfilled by Christ: it was He they testified of. Fulfilled means they were completed or satisfied in Him: He was their fulfillment.

[Jhn 5:39-40 KJV]
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.


For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Mt.5:18

Any interpretation of scripture which disagrees with this is wrong, so you're wrong.

No, I am not wrong. It is you who does not have a correct understanding of Christ.
Christ didn't destroy the law He fulfilled the law. It was fulfilled by Him because Christ was the basis and substance of it.

[Jhn 5:39-40 KJV]
39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.


The disannuling of the law before it was given to Moses is that Melchizedek couldn't die, which means the law that came 400 years later, could not condemn him
Huh? That makes no sense. Which verses do you have in mind to support whatever it is you're trying to say?
Here, perhaps this will help to clarify it for you. Christ fulfilled and replaced the entire Levitical priesthood and everything that went with it regarding salvation.

[Heb 7:11 KJV]
11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?


The sanctified are those who come to him. Sinners come to him because they believe what he said and follow what he taught,

Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for
If it were as you say, then they would be coming to Him through and of themselves but not through Him. Yet, what you posted says that it is "though him". That can only mean one only comes to Christ because of Christ's actions not theirs - it is the only interpretation that permits "through" to actually mean through Him.

Through:


[Heb 7:23-25, 28 KJV]
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24 But this [man], because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. ...
28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, [maketh] the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

[Jhn 6:44 KJV] 44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

There's no more offering for sin because Jesus offered himself once and will himself, never be abused like that again.
You don't seem to understand how the OT sacrifice produced confession of sin, because what mankind did to the Lamb of God was sinful...and it won't be repeated.
You're right, I don't understand how the OT sacrifice could have produced confession of sin. OT sacrifice had no spiritual efficacy of itself and was intended to be a picture of what Christ would later undergo - they were symbols not substance. That's exactly the mistake the OT Jews made: they believed that by their sacrifices they would be made right with God and their sins forgiven. This is the same mistake those who trust in their works make in trying to become right with God of themselves. Even the NT Jews made the same mistake. Look at Saul, until indwelt by the Holy Spirit, he had been as blind as anyone else regarding Christ.
Look, your post makes no sense to me, so much so, that I can't even really figure out a reply to it - I'm just taking a stab in the dark at replying. Show me the verses you're using to substantiate your doctrine.
 

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You still answered wrongly. Dont worry about it !
The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for false evidence against Jesus so that they could put him to death.
But they did not find any, though many false witnesses came forward. Finally two came forward Mt.26:59-60

Have nothing to do with a false charge and do not put an innocent or honest person to death, for I will not acquit the guilty. Exo.23:7

Hope you can see now how our dear Savior died according to the scriptures.
 

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You're right, I don't understand how the OT sacrifice could have produced confession of sin.
It was commanded,

He is to lay both hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites, all their sins Lev.16:21
OT sacrifice had no spiritual efficacy of itself and was intended to be a picture of what Christ would later undergo - they were symbols not substance. That's exactly the mistake the OT Jews made: they believed that by their sacrifices they would be made right with God and their sins forgiven.
The truth is, those who truly sought mercy by the law received it, The law convicted them, as God intended and they relied on the only senseable option.

Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly. Lk.1:6
This is the same mistake those who trust in their works make in trying to become right with God of themselves. Even the NT Jews made the same mistake. Look at Saul, until indwelt by the Holy Spirit, he had been as blind as anyone else regarding Christ.
We both know good works are the result of faith....(By faith...Heb.11.)
And Saul believed in Jesus before being indwelt by the Holy Spirit. He began believing in Jesus when he was stricken blind on the road to Damascus. He even wanted to know what Jesus wanted him to do. I think he was eager to start serving the Lord. I think the 1st thing Saul did was change his clothes, because he probably soiled the ones he had on. Knees knocking together? Mine would be.
Look, your post makes no sense to me, so much so, that I can't even really figure out a reply to it - I'm just taking a stab in the dark at replying. Show me the verses you're using to substantiate your doctrine.
I have been all along.
I don't know why people of their own choosing, who come to believe, because of circumstances God allowed them to be in, is so difficult for Christians to understand.
 

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It was commanded,

He is to lay both hands on the head of the live goat and confess over it all the wickedness and rebellion of the Israelites, all their sins Lev.16:21
They felt the need for sacrifice because of their sin, not in the reverse as you had originally stated - but that
that sacrifice could never remove sin.
The truth is, those who truly sought mercy by the law received it, The law convicted them, as God intended and they relied on the only senseable option.

Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly. Lk.1:6

Their righteousness was of the faith of Christ.
Because they had been made righteous by God, and as a result of that, they observed commandments and decrees, not the reverse: righteousness came first, the walking, afterwards.
The observance of commandments and decrees of themselves could never take sin away.

[Heb 10:4 KJV]
4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

The truth is, those who truly sought mercy by the law received it, The law convicted them, as God intended and they relied on the only senseable option.

Both of them were righteous in the sight of God, observing all the Lord’s commands and decrees blamelessly. Lk.1:6
To be blameless in the eternal, it must be of Christ, not of the law nor of the blood of bulls and goats.
See my reply above

[Phl 3:6-7 KJV]
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

[Heb 10:4 KJV]
4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

[Gal 3:16 KJV]
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

We both know good works are the result of faith....(By faith...Heb.11.)
And Saul believed in Jesus before being indwelt by the Holy Spirit. He began believing in Jesus when he was stricken blind on the road to Damascus. He even wanted to know what Jesus wanted him to do. I think he was eager to start serving the Lord. I think the 1st thing Saul did was change his clothes, because he probably soiled the ones he had on. Knees knocking together? Mine would be.
Good works are the result of faith given as a gift through the fruit of the Spirit which
faith came from the faith of Christ: it is a faith received not of our doing.
No, Saul did not believe in Christ before being indwelt by the Spirit - that would be impossible. True faith is as a
fruit of the Spirit. We are clearly informed in the below, from where faith comes.

[Gal 5:22 KJV]
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

I have been all along.
I don't know why people of their own choosing, who come to believe, because of circumstances God allowed them to be in, is so difficult for Christians to understand.

Yes, it is impossible to understand. Why? Because should it be received on the basis you've stated, then it a work that is performed by its (supposed) recipient, and as such, their faith would actually be in/of themselves and not in Christ.
Belief can only be a true belief if given by God as a gift.

[1Pe 1:20-21 KJV]
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

[Gal 2:16 KJV]
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
 
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roger

Their righteousness was of the faith of Christ.

Exactly roger. Or it can be called the obedience of Christ, hence Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience/faithfulness of one shall many be made righteous.

That word righteous dikaios:


righteous, observing divine laws
  1. in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God
Thats imputed to all for whom Christ was the covenant head of when He He rendered obedience unto it.

And all who have received this imputation, they will be eventually given[imparted] Faith out of the New Birth

To be blameless in the eternal, it must be of Christ, not of the law nor of the blood of bulls and goats.
Agreed. Our blamelessness is found in Christ, its also our Justification Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

That word holy is sanctification, it means to be set apart, Christ is our sanctification of God 1 Cor 1:30

Christ is our blamelessness because He put away our guilt by purging our sins Heb 1:3

Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high

This word purged katharismos:

  1. a cleansing from the guilt of sins wrought by the expiatory sacrifice of Christ
Thats what makes us blameless before God

And the OT Saints were the same even though Christ had not yet actually died in time, God still always had respect to His sacrifice even from the foundation Rev 13:8

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

I believe His death was applied[Judicially] to everyone whose names were written in the Lambs book of life, before they were born
 

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They felt the need for sacrifice because of their sin, not in the reverse as you had originally stated
Sacrifice was prescribed for them by God. Of course they understood the sacrifice was for their sin, but "why" it was "for their sin" was hidden only from the unrepentant and still is today.
Gods' Sacrifice was intended to make the sinner like the Sacrifice, not the Sacrifice like the sinner.
but that
that sacrifice could never remove sin.
Those sacrifices could never truly remove sin because once dead, they stayed dead,

But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Heb.10:12
Their righteousness was of the faith of Christ.
Because they had been made righteous by God, and as a result of that, they observed commandments and decrees, not the reverse: righteousness came first, the walking, afterwards.
The observance of commandments and decrees of themselves could never take sin away.

[Heb 10:4 KJV]
4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
I'm not saying they can. I'm saying any normal thinking human being could recognize The Good Man, who suffered injustice because they were in trouble...because they caused the trouble...and be sorry for it.
To be blameless in the eternal, it must be of Christ, not of the law nor of the blood of bulls and goats.
See my reply above
Zechariah and Elizabeths' spiritual condition was of Christ by the law, because God testified that they were blameless concerning the law. This is obvious, because the Messiah taught,

Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Mt.5:7

They viewed the law correctly, as condemning self.
[Phl 3:6-7 KJV]
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
Paul doesn't mean God considered him blameless with respect to the law. He means he considered himself that way.
He was carrying letters from the high priest giving him authority to lock up believers, when his light went out.
Mosaic law was ordained against the pride of every individual. Therefore condemning others we condemn ourselves.
Brother, our dear Lord could have accused, convicted and sentenced any sinner, without bringing any condemnation on himself, but he didn't do it! Even those who abused him without mercy!!!
[Gal 3:16 KJV]
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Right,

the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul Gal.3:17

This is why I said, even if the law existed in Melchizedeks' day, it could justly have no negative effect on him, because "he lives forever." He's forever sinless.
This can only mean Jesus being condemned by law was unjust.
Good works are the result of faith given as a gift through the fruit of the Spirit which
faith came from the faith of Christ: it is a faith received not of our doing.
The faith isn't of our doing. It's of Christ rising from the dead. You seem to think the things our Savior did during his ministry as a man could have no effect on people.

Come, see a man who told me everything I ever did. Jn.4:29

She's pointing people to Jesus, not because she has the Holy Spirit yet, but because he knows all about her. Why is that incomprehensible?
No, Saul did not believe in Christ before being indwelt by the Spirit - that would be impossible.
Paul received the Spirit in Act.9:17. From Act.9:6 until then, Paul had no problem doing exactly what Jesus told him to do, without being indwelt by the Spirit.
True faith is as a
fruit of the Spirit. We are clearly informed in the below, from where faith comes.

[Gal 5:22 KJV]
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
And it comes by the preaching of the word. Like God choosing "the poor of this world." Not because all poor people are saved, but because the poor are inclined toward faith because they have nothing else. Like the seed that was sown in various soils.
Yes, it is impossible to understand. Why? Because should it be received on the basis you've stated, then it a work that is performed by its (supposed) recipient, and as such, their faith would actually be in/of themselves and not in Christ.
Just to clarify, I state my faith is the result of Christ rising from death. So my faith comes from him.
Belief can only be a true belief if given by God as a gift.

[1Pe 1:20-21 KJV]
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Yes, by him I believe in God...because of his resurrection...so my faith would be in him. Ok?
[Gal 2:16 KJV]
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
I mentioned how I came to know Jesus through a sister who was loved by him and shared his love with me.....so I'm justified by him.
 

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Regarding salvation, yes - by Christ all was accomplished.
No Calvinist I know of believes the commandments were abolished.
I know you're not a 5 point calvinist...
but what makes you think the commandments were abolished?

Does this mean we can take God's name in vain,
dishonor our parents,
steal,
etc. ?
 

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Sacrifice was prescribed for them by God. Of course they understood the sacrifice was for their sin, but "why" it was "for their sin" was hidden only from the unrepentant and still is today.
Gods' Sacrifice was intended to make the sinner like the Sacrifice, not the Sacrifice like the sinner.
I simply don't understand what you mean by the above.
"Sacrifice like the sinner". Huh? Does that make sense?
You'll need to clarify that further.

Those sacrifices could never truly remove sin because once dead, they stayed dead,
"Truly"? What does that mean? They either did or they didn't. It was Christ's sacrifice, and
Christ's sacrifice alone, for those who are covered by it, that completely removed sin
once and for all. Nothing else did nor could have, not even a little.

This is why I said, even if the law existed in Melchizedeks' day, it could justly have no negative effect on him, because "he lives forever." He's forever sinless.
This can only mean Jesus being condemned by law was unjust.

Jesus being condemned and punished by law was not unjust in the least. That is because
His taking of sin upon Himself, and thereby being found guilty of it, which sin was committed by those He came to save, was the sole purpose of His offering. They were given His righteousness - He, their sin.

[1Co 2:7-8 KJV]
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, [even] the hidden [wisdom], which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

The faith isn't of our doing. It's of Christ rising from the dead. You seem to think the things our Savior did during his ministry as a man could have no effect on people.

Come, see a man who told me everything I ever did. Jn.4:29

She's pointing people to Jesus, not because she has the Holy Spirit yet, but because he knows all about her. Why is that incomprehensible?
I agree that faith isn't of our doing, that is my point - but that faith is solely a gift. I never said that Christ
had no effect on anyone in terms of salvation, I said that when it does, it is by the Holy Spirit. Not everyone becomes indwelt by Him. May people saw Jesus's works yet nevertheless believed not on Him as Saviour. True belief is not a function of one's intellect, it is spiritual, and a function solely of the Holy Spirit. Even some of Christ's own disciples who had walked with Him and witnessed His miracles first-hand, because they were not so indwelt, did not believe. They did not believe, because they could not believe. The ones who remained had been given the Holy Spirit and with Him, understanding.

[Jhn 6:65-66 KJV]
65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66 From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

[Jhn 6:67-68 KJV]
67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?
68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

Paul received the Spirit in Act.9:17. From Act.9:6 until then, Paul had no problem doing exactly what Jesus told him to do, without being indwelt by the Spirit.
True faith is as a

Paul became saved on the road to Damascus which is the reason "Paul had no problem doing exactly what Jesus told him to do." He was also indwelt with the Holy Spirit then. Being filled with the Holy Spirit is different than being indwelt with the Holy Spirit. You should have searched through the Bible to see how the phrase "filled with the Holy Spirit" is used in it. To be filled with the Holy Spirit means being overtaken by the Holy Spirit in a physical sense for a specific purpose, or purposes. It does not mean being indwelt by Him.

[Act 2:4 KJV]
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
[Luk 1:41, 67 KJV]
41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: ...
[Luk 1:42 KJV]
42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed [art] thou among women, and blessed [is] the fruit of thy womb.
67
And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
[Act 4:8 KJV]
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Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,

When we read the following regarding Saul's encounter with Christ, we are told that Saul's eyes were opened, yet he
remained blind. How could it be that his eyes were opened but he was still blind? It is because his spiritual eyes were opened but his physical eyes remained blinded. One's spiritual eyes can only be opened by the Holy Spirit, which in Paul's case they had been. Did this mean at that point that Paul had been given full and complete knowledge of Christ and salvation? No, it didn't, but nevertheless, he had received the Holy Spirit then. In fact, Christ is the Holy Spirit.

[Act 9:8-9 KJV]
8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought [him] into Damascus.
9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.

And it comes by the preaching of the word. Like God choosing "the poor of this world." Not because all poor people are saved, but because the poor are inclined toward faith because they have nothing else. Like the seed that was sown in various soils.
Poor doesn't mean poor financially; it means poor spiritually. For someone to become
aware of their spiritual poverty, they first have to become saved and indwelt by the Holy Spirit, because
it is by the Holy Spirit working within them, that that awareness is given. Otherwise, they remain blind and
unaware of their spiritual poverty.

Just to clarify, I state my faith is the result of Christ rising from death. So my faith comes from him.

From Him and by the Holy Spirit.

Yes, by him I believe in God...because of his resurrection...so my faith would be in him. Ok?
Yep, OK.

I mentioned how I came to know Jesus through a sister who was loved by him and shared his love with me.....so I'm justified by him.
You came to know God because God had chosen you to that from before the foundation of the world and had worked through that sister but.... that knowledge was by nothing the either of you did but by God.
 

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No Calvinist I know of believes the commandments were abolished.
I know you're not a 5 point calvinist...
but what makes you think the commandments were abolished?

Does this mean we can take God's name in vain,
dishonor our parents,
steal,
etc. ?

wondering,
No one who has become saved would ever choose to, nor ever desire to, do the things you mentioned.
However, even on off chance that someone does, if they are of the
saved, then relative to salvation, those actions would have been forgiven too through Christ. Now, might God vigorously correct and instruct for so doing using the things of this world? Definitely, and not only for those, but for any that are not God glorifying or that reflect badly upon The Faith. And that correction is not fun, nor does it end quickly: God knows exactly what someone dislikes the most and goes directly to it to instruct.
Through Christ, I believe there have become only two laws of eternal consequence:1) the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus and, 2) the law of sin and death

I'll let the Bible speak for itself (and in no particular order):

[Rom 8:2 KJV]
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

[Heb 12:8 KJV]
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

[Eph 2:14-16 KJV]
14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition [between us];
15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;
16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

[Heb 7:12, 18 KJV]
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. ...
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
 

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roger

Jesus being condemned and punished by law was not unjust in the least. That is because
His taking of sin upon Himself, and thereby being found guilty of it, which sin was committed by those He came to save, was the sole purpose of His offering. They were given His righteousness - He, their sin.

Exactly 2 Cor 5:21

21 For he hath made him to be sin[sin offering] for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him
 

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Many tell us that in order to get saved you must accept Christ, now understand, if we call ourselves accepting Christ to get saved, that would be a work, since its an action we do. The word for work ergon:

  1. an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

So accepting Christ is an act on our part. But the scripture teaches Salvation without works See Eph 2:8-9; 2 Tim 1:9

Yes, if we must perform any act to get, or keep salvation, its no longer salvation by grace, but of works. 23
 
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