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jasonc, why would we set aside our values when we go to work. I never did when I use to work. We are not married by the Church nor divorced by it. It's only when we resist Gods power and ordinances in His government that we will receive damnation. Gods ordinances are established within all the moral laws that were handed down to Moses on Mt. Sinai and still and forever more will stand as Gods guidelines that helps to keep us in His perfect will.

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
 
jasonc, why would we set aside our values when we go to work. I never did when I use to work. We are not married by the Church nor divorced by it. It's only when we resist Gods power and ordinances in His government that we will receive damnation. Gods ordinances are established within all the moral laws that were handed down to Moses on Mt. Sinai and still and forever more will stand as Gods guidelines that helps to keep us in His perfect will.

Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Rom 13:2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
so ok. since you went there. if I just move in with my wife to be and she is a Christian that's ok and I proclaim that it is so. the pastor doesn't have to bless it, counsel us to see if we do know the consequences of that? so yes the church must do that. its a good idea and would save many from bad decisions. if a pastor says no then he will say why. then if they are blessed by god and its known by the mouth of others that its of god , how can it be that it was a god ordained marriage?
 
Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Mar 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
Mar 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
Mar 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

There is no place in the Bible that constitutes having to have a marriage license or even a Pastor to bless it or counsel before hand. Man incorporated this into the law. In the Hebrew tradition a mohar or dowry was paid to the father of the bride by the groom in exchange for the daughter, Exodus 22:17. Genesis 2:23-25 explains the bond of marriage. The two are united as one in the eyes of God. I lived with my husband before we got by law legally married as we knew it was a union of God that we be together forever as one. The only reason for the marriage certificate was for me to take his last name for legal purposes.
 
Mar 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Mar 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
Mar 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
Mar 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

There is no place in the Bible that constitutes having to have a marriage license or even a Pastor to bless it or counsel before hand. Man incorporated this into the law. In the Hebrew tradition a mohar or dowry was paid to the father of the bride by the groom in exchange for the daughter, Exodus 22:17. Genesis 2:23-25 explains the bond of marriage. The two are united as one in the eyes of God. I lived with my husband before we got by law legally married as we knew it was a union of God that we be together forever as one. The only reason for the marriage certificate was for me to take his last name for legal purposes.
uhm so I can also say that I can divorce my wife. god didn't put us together. if you met and he didn't tell you then it was ever a marriage and yet paul says otherwise.

so you support shacking up if you believe god told you first? you went there not me. I know about the dowry. I knew that before you posted and was going to correct you with the torah is genesis then exodus and so on. divorce was done prior to moses writing that command. its implied by genesis 1:24. let no man put asunder. so they had to have seen that in Egypt first then during the events of exodus and which ever came first orally either exodus or genesis. we don't know for sure.only that the events and the writing of genesis was after the stories in it were told.

I must a disagree. is it the church's job then to delegate and define what is father or mother to a child? if not then its the government and whom gets to legally jail the slackers or force money from them? who then encourages the definitions of marriages?
 
People outside of Gods will will have to answer for their own transgressions if it wasn't God that joined them together in the first place as usually lust is mistaken for love. I can only speak of those who are in Gods will and follow His word. Gods' grand design was for man to take care of the earth and have dominion over all living things. God did not want man to be alone so He created a helpmate and she was called woman. The two were to multiply and replenish the earth with more helpers to till the land and help take care of Gods creation, Genesis 1, 2. Gods will for woman was to be a helpmate to the man in every way, mentally, spiritually, emotionally, socially and physically. She was also created to bare the generations to come. A woman was not greater or less than the man, but was his equal.

Marriage was officially recognized as a sacrament at the 1184 Council of Verona. Before then, no specific ritual was prescribed for celebrating a marriage. Marriage vows did not have to be exchanged in a church, nor was a priest's presence required. A couple could exchange consent anywhere, anytime. The Council of Trent decreed in 1563 that marriages should be celebrated in the presence of a priest and at least two witnesses. The first marriage licenses was issued in the 14 century in England. 1639 in the state of Massachusetts. They were issued to make sanctions and solidify the obligations that came with marriage.

Does God permit divorce; no he does not for what God has joined together as one flesh let no man separate it, Matthew 19:6. God joined man and woman together before sin entered into the hearts of man and woman, Genesis 2:18. When woman was deceived by the serpent in Genesis 3:1-13 and gave the man to eat of the fruit, man forgot what God told them not to do and they both tried to hide from God, but God knew what they had done and now was sin entered into the hearts of man and woman. This is why we are all now born with a sin nature because of the fall of man. Sin soon was found where no truth of God could be found. Mans hearts were now filled with the lust of the eyes and lust of the heart. Man sought after his own pleasures and soon made gods of their own to worship and bow down to. These gods were a way for man to justify their own pleasures.

1 Corinthians 7:10, Jesus commands the woman not to leave her husband and if she does she should remain unmarried, but in Malachi 2:10-16 the treachery that man commits against a woman which leads him to have an affair outside of the marriage or abuses the wife whether it be physical or emotional gives place to what was said by Moses in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 that if a woman is no longer pleasing to her husband then the husband should give his wife a written bill of divorcement and send her out of the house and this gives the woman the right to marry again, but she can never go back to her former husband if that marriage does not work out or her husband dies for now she is defiled to be with her first husband and this is an abomination to God.
 
where does the chuppa comes from and who started it? the jews did have a marriage ritual. the fact that there mary could have faced death for simply being not chaste for that one year. Moses didn't set that up. its old and here is the picture of the chuppaView attachment 5255
my grandfather is under the chuppa and my grandmother isn't pictured. the wedding feast is used by jesus to show how heaven will be like at the marriage supper, and yet God didn't command that nor prescribe it. but he used it. im waiting for the answer to how old that is.
 
Nice pic. Like I said many things were added to the law by man, not by God, as man decided what is right or wrong just like the Pharisees who always tried to justify their own deeds.
 
Nice pic. Like I said many things were added to the law by man, not by God, as man decided what is right or wrong just like the Pharisees who always tried to justify their own deeds.
it predates the formation of isreal. Abraham started and the Hammurabi code which was written prior to moses has laws over marriage and divorce. that law was over Babylon for centuries
 
it predates the formation of isreal. Abraham started and the Hammurabi code which was written prior to moses has laws over marriage and divorce. that law was over Babylon for centuries
again Gods law or mans law!!!
 
again Gods law or mans law!!!
gee what is called fornication if some man claims he is married because god told him?

how would we ever know first if there was no one to verify that god is in this marriage? was Solomon then married to those concubines? define that since in isreal there isn in the torah a way outside the Mishnah to tell if one is married?

how did Solomon take one to be a wife? it had to be told and known to a man. those concubines had dads. so god aslo didn't intend man to have government until romans 13. what type of government was over adam and eve after the fall? NONE there wasn't any. yet we both know that god ordains government.

was there a government during the time of dinahs avengement for her rape? NO it was some tribe issue.
was there a government over some of other stories of sin? not in all cases. again some one must verify that YOU and your husband are indeed for each other. take their word? sometimes we lust in our loneless and need to be told that isn't the person. is that a bad thing? according to you it seems to be. if I had heeded that warning I might have save some issues. but well I believed my wife was for me. she may not have been.
 
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