Ah, I get it. When you do it, it's called surrender. When we do it, it's called choice.
So what we do is wrong, and what you do is right.
Now, there's something that makes a lot of sense............
You do realize, don't you, that to surrender means you're doing something in your own will.
I certainly hope you can understand what I'm saying here.
I never said "what" your doing is wrong. You brought up free will and said that man chooses god by his free will. I disagree, but if you agree that he does, then go with that.
Also, so we are clear giving up your free will to the will of God is not ones self effort, but the effort of God upon man.
I did not come to Christ. I gave up, and Christ was there for me. I accepted him then. I do not think that what I am saying to you means that I'm saved and your not, or that your wrong, but what you and GM need to understand is that people who understand John Calvin, do so because, 1 it fit's what they know of their own salvation and 2 it is biblicaly correct.
I do not make a conscious effort to be a Christian. I have a responsibility within my relationship with God, but my efforts are worthless. I'm simply describing it for you.
I did not want to be a Christian, know how to be, I did try very hard early in my life but decided it was pointless for me and lived a life of an agnostic. I reached a point where I gave up....not seeking God, really, but I did pray then, and God grabbed hold of me from that point on. I did not ask him to, he just did.
Since then it's been an interesting relationship. , one of edification and direction. I am reminded in my life of what he did then and how it changed me, and I listen to God. I do what he tells me. Sometimes I find my old will trying to do something, and I am reminded that it is no Good.
What you have described about being a Christian is wrong to me because it's works based. Not to say that people don't come to Christ in a manner of speaking, and are saved through their own desire to be with Christ, but what you have described is works based, Then you sprinkle faith on top, but what I think you mean by faith is belief. Christianity is more than that, but again, What you have described is not all together wrong, but rather weak.
Now I know you are angry with this. I know, there may be some misunderstandings. It is not my intent to anger you, but to challenge you to give more thought to theologies you may not fully understand.
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