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Is the vaccine effective?

Is the vaccine effective?

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 54.1%
  • No

    Votes: 6 16.2%
  • Better than none

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • Worse than none

    Votes: 8 21.6%
  • Other (please specify)

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • Total voters
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Serving Zion

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About 90 percent of new COVID-19 infections in Israel were caused by the CCP virus’s Delta variant, officials said, while adding that about half of the adults infected in the recent outbreak were fully vaccinated.

Ran Balicer, who leads an expert advisory panel for the Israeli government, in announcing the finding on Friday, said that the country might end up implementing another lockdown after opening up earlier this year, according to the Wall Street Journal. The fully vaccinated individuals were inoculated with the Pfizer COVID-19 shot commonly used in Israel.

New cases of the virus rose to more than 200 on Thursday, from around 10 per day in most of June, officials said.

And on Friday, Israeli authorities told residents that they must again have to wear masks again indoors, reported Reuters.

Some 55 percent of Israel’s 9.3 million population have received both doses of the Pfizer vaccine, officials said. Eligibility was extended to 12- to 15-year-olds in May.

Earlier this month, for example, nearly 4,000 fully vaccinated people in Massachusetts tested positive for the CCP virus, according to health officials in the state.


Nearly 4,000 people in Massachusetts who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 have tested positive for the disease, adding to the growing number of breakthrough cases nationwide.

According to the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, as of June 12, there were 3,791 infections among the 3.7 million fully vaccinated people in the state, or about one out of every 1,000 individual

“We’re learning that many of the breakthrough infections are asymptomatic or they’re very mild and brief in duration,” said Boston University infectious diseases specialist Davidson Hamer, the Boston Herald reported. “The viral load is not very high."

“Breakthroughs are expected, and we need to better understand who’s at risk and whether people who have a breakthrough can transmit the virus to others,” Hamer said. “In some cases, they’ll be shedding such low levels of the virus and won’t be transmitting to others.”

So-called breakthrough cases refer to cases appearing two or more weeks after a person’s final shot, that is, the second Pfizer or Moderna dose or the single-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine.


“Vaccine breakthrough cases are expected,” the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention states on its website. “COVID-19 vaccines are effective and are a critical tool to bring the pandemic under control. However, no vaccines are 100 percent effective at preventing illness. There will be a small percentage of people who are fully vaccinated who still get sick, are hospitalized, or die from COVID-19.

“There is some evidence that vaccination may make illness less severe.”
 

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I'd really like to see evidence: links to documented cases and facts.

It is controversial because many feel that their natural right to choose their own medical treatment is being threatened on the argument that they need to be vaccinated to stop the virus. If the virus is ineffective and still spreading among those who are vaccinated, it means that their rights are coming under attack without a valid reason.
 

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I'd really like to see evidence: links to documented cases and facts.

It is controversial because many feel that their natural right to choose their own medical treatment is being threatened on the argument that they need to be vaccinated to stop the virus. If the virus is ineffective and still spreading among those who are vaccinated, it means that their rights are coming under attack without a valid reason.
amen - so true - thanks for posting this
 

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About 90 percent of new COVID-19 infections in Israel were caused by the CCP virus’s Delta variant, officials said, while adding that about half of the adults infected in the recent outbreak were fully vaccinated.

Ran Balicer, who leads an expert advisory panel for the Israeli government, in announcing the finding on Friday, said that the country might end up implementing another lockdown after opening up earlier this year, according to the Wall Street Journal. The fully vaccinated individuals were inoculated with the Pfizer COVID-19 shot commonly used in Israel.

New cases of the virus rose to more than 200 on Thursday, from around 10 per day in most of June, officials said.

And on Friday, Israeli authorities told residents that they must again have to wear masks again indoors, reported Reuters.

Some 55 percent of Israel’s 9.3 million population have received both doses of the Pfizer vaccine, officials said. Eligibility was extended to 12- to 15-year-olds in May.

Earlier this month, for example, nearly 4,000 fully vaccinated people in Massachusetts tested positive for the CCP virus, according to health officials in the state.


Nearly 4,000 people in Massachusetts who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 have tested positive for the disease, adding to the growing number of breakthrough cases nationwide.

According to the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, as of June 12, there were 3,791 infections among the 3.7 million fully vaccinated people in the state, or about one out of every 1,000 individual

“We’re learning that many of the breakthrough infections are asymptomatic or they’re very mild and brief in duration,” said Boston University infectious diseases specialist Davidson Hamer, the Boston Herald reported. “The viral load is not very high."

“Breakthroughs are expected, and we need to better understand who’s at risk and whether people who have a breakthrough can transmit the virus to others,” Hamer said. “In some cases, they’ll be shedding such low levels of the virus and won’t be transmitting to others.”

So-called breakthrough cases refer to cases appearing two or more weeks after a person’s final shot, that is, the second Pfizer or Moderna dose or the single-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine.


“Vaccine breakthrough cases are expected,” the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention states on its website. “COVID-19 vaccines are effective and are a critical tool to bring the pandemic under control. However, no vaccines are 100 percent effective at preventing illness. There will be a small percentage of people who are fully vaccinated who still get sick, are hospitalized, or die from COVID-19.

“There is some evidence that vaccination may make illness less severe.”

I didn't vote, but would have voted no. But I've heard some of the same stuff, people who were fully vaccinated still getting it. I did not get any vaccination for it and wont. But I've been anti vaccine for many years now, Since way before covid,

My thoughts are, (spiritual eye)....how in the world could anyone trust anything like that in these last days? Now I know that there has been good vaccines which helped eradicate certain diseases, probably given to mankind by God. nevertheless, steal kill and destroy. deception...how could it not be poisoned in these days?

You know how mankind is...they will weaponize anything and everything. So...better to play it safe and place it in the Lord's hands. So I have done just that, stood my ground in Faith of our Lord and Psalm 91...shall not come near my dwelling! I haven't had a touch of the plague at all the whole time. Praise the Lord.

If you think that a No vote would cover my perspective and strategies with covid I would be happy to go key in a No for the poll. But having no direct experience with the vaccine how could I vote no accurately for how the poll is worded is what I thought.

The United States medical system was a lot better before they politicized it from top to bottom. :angry
 

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I didn't vote, but would have voted no. But I've heard some of the same stuff, people who were fully vaccinated still getting it. I did not get any vaccination for it and wont. But I've been anti vaccine for many years now, Since way before covid,

My thoughts are, (spiritual eye)....how in the world could anyone trust anything like that in these last days? Now I know that there has been good vaccines which helped eradicate certain diseases, probably given to mankind by God. nevertheless, steal kill and destroy. deception...how could it not be poisoned in these days?

You know how mankind is...they will weaponize anything and everything. So...better to play it safe and place it in the Lord's hands. So I have done just that, stood my ground in Faith of our Lord and Psalm 91...shall not come near my dwelling! I haven't had a touch of the plague at all the whole time. Praise the Lord.

If you think that a No vote would cover my perspective and strategies with covid I would be happy to go key in a No for the poll. But having no direct experience with the vaccine how could I vote no accurately for how the poll is worded is what I thought.

The United States medical system was a lot better before they politicized it from top to bottom. :angry
well said
 

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amen - so true - thanks for posting this
I'm really only asking to see the evidence. The poll is just a bit of fun on the side.

I'm not a fan of humankind's medical theories and the whole Frankenstein approach of people who like to act like God over nature. The whole history of medicine is fraught with regret and consequential harm.

One thing I am having a real hard time looking beyond is this:

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Source: https://viralbandit.com/photography...play-at-the-german-museum-of-medical-history/
Seems that they haven't really changed, asides from the obvious that they don't need to appear so intimidating anymore because everyone believes them by default. Or maybe it was just fashionable in the times. Who knows?
 

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Covid19 is a lie. The vaccine is a lie. The numbers of those infected or have died given by the Media are a lie.

satan is setting up both the world and the believers. The world is being set up to believe it and it is thus necessary for everyone to follow and obey his will. And they will fall in line.

Believers are being set up as the evil people for refusing to take the vaccine.

All of this is preparatory for satan to plug his man in, and set up his system which will be the true mark of the beast.

Quantrill
 

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I'm really only asking to see the evidence. The poll is just a bit of fun on the side.

I'm not a fan of humankind's medical theories and the whole Frankenstein approach of people who like to act like God over nature. The whole history of medicine is fraught with regret and consequential harm.

One thing I am having a real hard time looking beyond is this:

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Source: https://viralbandit.com/photography...play-at-the-german-museum-of-medical-history/
Seems that they haven't really changed, asides from the obvious that they don't need to appear so intimidating anymore because everyone believes them by default. Or maybe it was just fashionable in the times. Who knows?

I didn't read the linked article. Is that a German Proctology suit?
 

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Covid19 is a lie. The vaccine is a lie. The numbers of those infected or have died given by the Media are a lie.

satan is setting up both the world and the believers. The world is being set up to believe it and it is thus necessary for everyone to follow and obey his will. And they will fall in line.

Believers are being set up as the evil people for refusing to take the vaccine.

All of this is preparatory for satan to plug his man in, and set up his system which will be the true mark of the beast.

Quantrill

Well, yes and no. Yes to everything you said except that Covid19 is a lie. It is not a lie, covid19 is real. They really did cook it up in a lab in Wuhan. Everything else is a lie.

You see, all great lies are couched in the truth and get twisted distorted exaggerated and so forth from there.
 

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I think covid was a dry run. A test of how the world will react to their taking control, and to teach the public how they should respond for them.

I bet they have plagues on the shelf that make covid look like a sneeze. I suspect that the next one they release will carry massive death tolls with it.

People will then run to the bad guys, please, give me a shot, chip me, save me, blah blah blah.

Personally, I believe that looking to the government for provision or care is a demonstrated lack of faith in the Almighty God.
 

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The way I became anti vaccine many years ago was through a mans videos and books. His name is Leonard Horowitz and iirc, he was harvard educated and the head of the ADA for awhile.

Remember way back when a Dentist in Florida intentionally infected his dental patients with the AIDS virus? Well Leonard was the man who was sent to FLA to investigate the case, and his book titled, "Emerging Viruses and Vaccinations"... is the result of his investigations. It is deep, factual, eye opening information from a seriously credible source.

You know I have never watched even one single Dr. Fauci video? The first video title and screenshot I seen of this guy pop up in Youtube, I think it was titled Let Dr Fauci explain why the Vaccine is safe, or something like that, my initial thought was, Government Schill I've never heard him speak yet he seemed to just radiate deception to me.

But anyway, The vaccine info of Leonard's is all over youtube in case you'd desire to see my source which formed my perspective on it. (Then after I started walking with God, all of these pieces fell into place and enlightened the larger picture of things for me.)
 

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I personally believe that historically vaccines have proven effective and good for humanity but there are things about the Covid-19 vaccines that I find troubling or at least questionable and for that reason I am not totally on board with them.
  • The speed at which the vaccines were developed. The fastest any vaccine has ever been developed prior is the Polio vaccine and it took six years. The counter argument is that our technology and understanding in the field of epidemiology has improved over the years and I understand that but to develop a vaccine in six weeks is still extremely fast.
  • In order to develop the vaccine so fast, the FDA had to relax the rules and I can't help but wonder how many shortcuts were taken or how many safeguards were ignored for the sake of developing the vaccines. I understand this was done in the interest of saving lives and maybe it was effective in the long haul but I still can't help but wonder what the long term side effects might be. Will we later learn the cure was worse than the disease?
  • Humankind is corrupt and it goes without saying that within the pharmaceutical companies there was a race to be the first to release a vaccine to "save the world" and that opens the door for corruption. I can't help but wonder how may corners were cut to win that race and that certainly gives me pause.
  • It is true the case counts have been lower. Was this because of the vaccines or normal cycle? If we look at 2020 they were lower last summer as well when we had no vaccine but rebounded again in the fall and now we're beginning to see some level of increase in cases. This too could be cyclical or due to the vaccines only being effective for a limited time. From most information I've heard, getting the virus only provides protection for about 90 days and it seems logical that the vaccines would only be effective for about that same amount of time.
I guess time will tell.
 

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The speed at which the vaccines were developed. The fastest any vaccine has ever been developed prior is the Polio vaccine and it took six years. The counter argument is that our technology and understanding in the field of epidemiology has improved over the years and I understand that but to develop a vaccine in six weeks is still extremely fast.
MRNA has been around for over a decade. The technology is actually rather simple. Moderna had the vaccine the same day they received the sequence from Wahun but it took over a decade of research to develop it. Take the flu virus for example, they can crank those out almost at will. Why? Because they have a base to work off from.

The main focus on MRNA has been in the field of cancer research and funding has always been it’s biggest obstacle. Operation warp speed removed that obstacle and I just read an article last week where MRNA is now being used in a trial case for cancer.


In order to develop the vaccine so fast, the FDA had to relax the rules and I can't help but wonder how many shortcuts were taken or how many safeguards were ignored for the sake of developing the vaccines. I understand this was done in the interest of saving lives and maybe it was effective in the long haul but I still can't help but wonder what the long term side effects might be. Will we later learn the cure was worse than the disease?
Can you be specific? What rules were relaxed?
What shortcuts do you think were taken?
What safeguards do you think were ignored?
 

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We’re learning that many of the breakthrough infections are asymptomatic or they’re very mild and brief in duration,” said Boston University infectious diseases specialist Davidson Hamer, the Boston Herald reported. “The viral load is not very high."
As you know, my Father is currently in hospice and in March he received his second Pfizer shot. His kidney is failing and he was put in ICU several weeks ago and tested positive for Covid. He got Covid from my niece who was sick for about two weeks, but never required hospitalization.

My Dad was asymptomatic and none of his health issues were Covid related. Had he not had other health issues, nobody would have known he had Covid. The doctor attributed this to the vaccine.
 

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From most information I've heard, getting the virus only provides protection for about 90 days and it seems logical that the vaccines would only be effective for about that same amount of time.
Both the Pfizer and Moderna MRNA vaccines are expected to last a very, very long time as it mounts a very durable immune response, especially when you receive the second shot. That second shot is what tells our immune system that this virus is serious, so it stores that memory in our bone marrow. While no research can prove this yet, it is expected that the vaccine will last a lifetime. Booster shots may be required when the spike protein mutates outside of the vaccines current range.

mrna targets the spike protein that the virus uses to attach itself to our cells. That spike protein doesn’t vary too much, unlike the virus itself which can mutate rapidly. Regardless how the virus mutates, the spike protein sees very little mutation and it’s worthy to note that the spike protein, while it is part of the virus, it is not the piece of the virus that causes all the meham.
 
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