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Is the vaccine effective?

Is the vaccine effective?

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 54.1%
  • No

    Votes: 6 16.2%
  • Better than none

    Votes: 2 5.4%
  • Worse than none

    Votes: 8 21.6%
  • Other (please specify)

    Votes: 1 2.7%

  • Total voters
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MRNA has been around for over a decade. The technology is actually rather simple. Moderna had the vaccine the same day they received the sequence from Wahun but it took over a decade of research to develop it. Take the flu virus for example, they can crank those out almost at will. Why? Because they have a base to work off from.

The main focus on MRNA has been in the field of cancer research and funding has always been it’s biggest obstacle. Operation warp speed removed that obstacle and I just read an article last week where MRNA is now being used in a trial case for cancer.



Can you be specific? What rules were relaxed?
What shortcuts do you think were taken?
What safeguards do you think were ignored?
With regard to rules, the FDA relaxed some of the qualifying requirements that are usually applied in order to speed up the process. What specifically they were I do not know but covid vaccination development and approval efforts were granted Emergency Use Authorization status and like I said, I understand why this was done but it does not give me a warm fuzzy. This is from the FDA website.

"An Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) is a mechanism to facilitate the availability and use of medical countermeasures, including vaccines, during public health emergencies, such as the current COVID-19 pandemic. Under an EUA, FDA may allow the use of unapproved medical products, or unapproved uses of approved medical products in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions when certain statutory criteria have been met, including that there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives. Taking into consideration input from the FDA, manufacturers decide whether and when to submit an EUA request to FDA.

Once submitted, FDA will evaluate an EUA request and determine whether the relevant statutory criteria are met, taking into account the totality of the scientific evidence about the vaccine that is available to FDA."

What shortcuts? What safeguards? Who knows. I don't specifically know of any however, as I pointed out, we are talking about human beings and greed. To think the drive to be the first on the market and the money that would come along with it isn't enough to inspire corruption is a bit naïve.

I'm just not yet convinced these vaccines are as safe as is claimed.
 
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I'm really only asking to see the evidence. The poll is just a bit of fun on the side.

I'm not a fan of humankind's medical theories and the whole Frankenstein approach of people who like to act like God over nature. The whole history of medicine is fraught with regret and consequential harm.

One thing I am having a real hard time looking beyond is this:

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Source: https://viralbandit.com/photography...play-at-the-german-museum-of-medical-history/
Seems that they haven't really changed, asides from the obvious that they don't need to appear so intimidating anymore because everyone believes them by default. Or maybe it was just fashionable in the times. Who knows?
o wow - that's disturbing - i forgot they do that kind of stuff and call it science -

thanks for clarifying - i always enjoy your posts and your pov
 

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the vaccine caused other health issues? -
Truthfully?
Vaccines are foreign substances to our organic bodies.
It is possible for them to wreck havoc with our immune symptoms and the results could be anything.
Try shooting up comet or ajax and see how your body reacts to it.
 

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About 90 percent of new COVID-19 infections in Israel were caused by the CCP virus’s Delta variant, officials said, while adding that about half of the adults infected in the recent outbreak were fully vaccinated.

Ran Balicer, who leads an expert advisory panel for the Israeli government, in announcing the finding on Friday, said that the country might end up implementing another lockdown after opening up earlier this year, according to the Wall Street Journal. The fully vaccinated individuals were inoculated with the Pfizer COVID-19 shot commonly used in Israel.

New cases of the virus rose to more than 200 on Thursday, from around 10 per day in most of June, officials said.

And on Friday, Israeli authorities told residents that they must again have to wear masks again indoors, reported Reuters.

Some 55 percent of Israel’s 9.3 million population have received both doses of the Pfizer vaccine, officials said. Eligibility was extended to 12- to 15-year-olds in May.

Earlier this month, for example, nearly 4,000 fully vaccinated people in Massachusetts tested positive for the CCP virus, according to health officials in the state.


Nearly 4,000 people in Massachusetts who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 have tested positive for the disease, adding to the growing number of breakthrough cases nationwide.

According to the Massachusetts Department of Public Health, as of June 12, there were 3,791 infections among the 3.7 million fully vaccinated people in the state, or about one out of every 1,000 individual

“We’re learning that many of the breakthrough infections are asymptomatic or they’re very mild and brief in duration,” said Boston University infectious diseases specialist Davidson Hamer, the Boston Herald reported. “The viral load is not very high."

“Breakthroughs are expected, and we need to better understand who’s at risk and whether people who have a breakthrough can transmit the virus to others,” Hamer said. “In some cases, they’ll be shedding such low levels of the virus and won’t be transmitting to others.”

So-called breakthrough cases refer to cases appearing two or more weeks after a person’s final shot, that is, the second Pfizer or Moderna dose or the single-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine.


“Vaccine breakthrough cases are expected,” the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention states on its website. “COVID-19 vaccines are effective and are a critical tool to bring the pandemic under control. However, no vaccines are 100 percent effective at preventing illness. There will be a small percentage of people who are fully vaccinated who still get sick, are hospitalized, or die from COVID-19.

“There is some evidence that vaccination may make illness less severe.”
I believe the key here is the very last sentence.
It's like the influenza vaccine...
a person may still get sick...but much less and it will usually not develop into pneumonia.

The news here is that cases of covid have dropped drastically and masks are no longer necessary when out in the open....

The new Delta strain does cause me to worry that other variants will also cause problems.

But the big problem, it seems to me, has been conquered - not enough hospital beds for the sick (or ICUs).
 

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Truthfully?
Vaccines are foreign substances to our organic bodies.
It is possible for them to wreck havoc with our immune symptoms and the results could be anything.
Try shooting up comet or ajax and see how your body reacts to it.
Of course, I don't think anyone should actually try this, and yet they take a vaccine.
 
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Oh my goodness im in so much fear as a couple of people out of mega millions haslve 19 and like 99% of those who do get it have mild symptoms.

Apparenty some people call it a pandemic. I must wear my mask for another week. After the live rugby game with thousands allowed to attend of course.

 
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I got the Jesus vaccination, lol! There is no side effects except blessings from having more faith in Him, than man. ;)

And to be clear, this was not some loosely said metaphor or anything of the sort. It is in fact, scriptural.

Proverbs 4: 20-22
20 My son, give attention to my words;
Incline your ear to my sayings.
21 Do not let them depart from your eyes;
Keep them in the midst of your heart;
22 For they are life to those who find them,
And health to all their flesh.../

So this is saying that the word of God is a medicine for your flesh body. So how do they prescribe medicines? 3 times per day after meals, Lol. (Keeping it simple). So if your body is ailing then you better up your dosage and intake more scripture.

Read this. Understand it. ...health to all their flesh What is health? Well it's a remedy, a cure. (A Vaccination). See here in the Hebrew language the word health.
 

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But the big problem, it seems to me, has been conquered - not enough hospital beds for the sick (or ICUs).
We are also getting better at treating it.

When Covid first appeared, they didn’t know how to treat it, and they treated it with the wrong drugs etc. as a result, our ICU beds filled up and people died.

Covid is now very much treatable and early treatment is the key for those who’s symptoms worsen between days 3 and 5 because if it’s worse between these three days, then Day 8 is going to be a really bad day where either oxygen or a vent will be required.

Still, we know how to treat Covid past day 8 and your likelihood of dying is greatly reduced from when the pandemic first appeared. That being said, nobody in their right mind wants to be hospitalized due to Covid.
 

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o wow - that's disturbing - i forgot they do that kind of stuff and call it science -

thanks for clarifying - i always enjoy your posts and your pov
Here's the one that I was thinking of:

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It does mention the tendency for the plague doctors to fraudulently profiteer from the ignorance of their patients (and the community as a whole). In terms of the science you mentioned, I do understand that the germ theory has proven the efficacy of filtering virus particles from the air to prevent the spread of the disease, but I was more referring to the fact that only respirators are effective for that purpose. The mentality is questionable as to whether it is a good idea to wear a mask if a person has the disease - because you are effectively subjecting that individual to greater exposure by trapping the virus in a warm, moist environment and holding it in front or the nose (where it first gained entry) and by this it prevents the body from expelling the virus particles that way. Furthermore, they are being incubated in that environment well out of the reach of the body's immune system.
 
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im (understandably...) wary of much of the medical establishment. and yet...

I jumped on the chance to vaccinate. true story. there are some things I think the medical establishment is awesome at providing...vaccinations, occasional prescriptions of antibiotics, life saving procedures...

but overall...not a huge fan. fun fact: MDs in the US often make 2x + more than comparably educated doctors in other affluent, developed nations...

and then they want -more- , like in the town where my parents worked, where all the family doctors are "concierge," now, as in...1500-2500/per year, per person...for some pre-set number of appointments with a -family doctor- . no, really. thankfully, they followed a nurse practitioner to a new practice, elsewhere. moving on...

the vaccines available in the US -do- already have definite adverse effects popping up, but they appear to be rare enough to justify widespread vaccination of everybody (and their mama!), with some exceptions. the Cuban vaccines, Chinese vaccines, the ones used in India...honestly, even that UK one...not so sure. the Chinese ones are scary just because Chinese pharmaceutical companies have pulled shady tricks in the past, plus the not so secure supply chain (read: greater potential for rip offs, adulterated products, fraud than in many other nations), so...yeah, I don't live in China, so let's pray for the many, many people who do, right? right.

having said that...i super dosed my vitamin C (up to 20 grams! plus extra antioxidants!) per the recommendation of some Orthomolecular-inspired health care providers (I chose to ignore the ones who said to pop the vitamins and ignore covid...not a viable option in my world, I'm afraid...).

so, yeah. I'm all about the vaccines, honestly. not so much the Johnson and Johnson one...it seems less effective, and that was before Delta -shudder- .

but I pop the vitamins, and authoritarian and such as the medical establishment is....

they scoff at such, unless they can find a way to set up their own clinic, control it, and make $$$ off of it. yup. "real world," yet again. :)
 

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Here's the one that I was thinking of:

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It does mention the tendency for the plague doctors to fraudulently profiteer from the ignorance of their patients (and the community as a whole). In terms of the science you mentioned, I do understand that the germ theory has proven the efficacy of filtering virus particles from the air to prevent the spread of the disease, but I was more referring to the fact that only respirators are effective for that purpose. The mentality is questionable as to whether it is a good idea to wear a mask if a person has the disease - because you are effectively subjecting that individual to greater exposure by trapping the virus in a warm, moist environment and holding it in front or the nose (where it first gained entry) and by this it prevents the body from expelling the virus particles that way. Furthermore, they are being incubated in that environment well out of the reach of the body's immune system.
yes - so true - the alternate pov that you posted has been shut out from open discussion as conspiracy theory / non-science

many things were shut out of this world wide discussion which could have been very effective in saving lives
 
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