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Is the vaccine effective?

Is the vaccine effective?

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While anecdotal, I can speak for myself and family, which includes my elderly Aunt and Uncle who just got back from Europe.

None of us who have flown have had strokes.
And that is what I am getting at. I have not heard any reports of passengers having strokes at high altitude. Considering that there are far more vaccinated passengers than pilots, any such report of pilots suffering high altitude strokes due to vaccines is highly suspect and most likely not true.
 

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Here is the latest VAERS report about deaths, hospitalization, injuries and like from the COVID Vaccine.


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It is estimated that these numbers only reflect about 10 % of the actual total.






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Where did you pull that from? Who is estimating that those numbers reflect only about 10% of the actual total and what is their estimation based on?

I checked the data myself and VAERS gives the deaths in the U.S. due to vaccines as 7,674, as of today. Seeing as how the other numbers are in the ballpark, the deaths provided in your graphic are highly unlikely. Here is from the CDC itself:

"Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 403 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through October 6, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 8,638 reports of death (0.0021%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
 

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FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.
See if you can help me out , I tried in vain to find out the defined amount of time " after " that the healthcare provider is required to report a suspected death from a covid vaccine . . VAERS Table of Reportable Events Following Vaccination

Even if the FDA requires the report of the death that does not mean the healthcare provider IS going to take the time to fill out the form .
 

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See if you can help me out , I tried in vain to find out the defined amount of time " after " that the healthcare provider is required to report a suspected death from a covid vaccine . . VAERS Table of Reportable Events Following Vaccination

Even if the FDA requires the report of the death that does not mean the healthcare provider IS going to take the time to fill out the form .
Do you seriously think that the healthcare provider won't take the time to fill out the report of the death? Do you realize how serious a violation that is? I don't know of a single health care worker that would even suggest such a violation of the law, and I know many of them (my wife is a nurse).
 

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This is the same kind of deceitful theology Robert Jeffress tried to use in claiming there is no biblical argument against getting the jab. I didn't buy that baloney from him, and i'm not buying it from other religious people who got jabbed. I trust God completely with my health, and i am considerate enough to prevent passing dangerous germs along to other people. Loving other people doesn't include putting my own health in danger just so other people can feel safe, and it definitely doesn't include telling lies about how anti-jabbers' chances of dying from Covid are supposedly much greater in an attempt to gaslight them into submission.
What is a biblical argument against getting vaccinated? You say you trust God with your health--do you wear a seat belt when driving or as a passenger? Do you wash your hands after using the washroom or wash your produce before eating it? Since you trust God completely with your health, do you not trust him to protect you from negative effects of the vaccines?

As for putting your health in danger, the data is consistent that getting the vaccines are magnitudes of order safer than getting COVID. That isn't a lie; it's truth based on science.
 

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See if you can help me out , I tried in vain to find out the defined amount of time " after " that the healthcare provider is required to report a suspected death from a covid vaccine . . VAERS Table of Reportable Events Following Vaccination

Even if the FDA requires the report of the death that does not mean the healthcare provider IS going to take the time to fill out the form .
How is the amount of time relevant? Be careful in making unwarranted assumptions, such as not filling out a report on death, especially when the stakes are incredibly high. There is not only no reason whatsoever to believe that healthcare professionals wouldn't fill out such a report, there is every reason to believe that they would.
 

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Do you seriously think that the healthcare provider won't take the time to fill out the report of the death?
I know a report of death WILL be filled out , but will a VAERS report form be filled out ? Two different things .

Praise God your wife is a nurse helping the hurting people in this world !
 

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What is a biblical argument against getting vaccinated? You say you trust God with your health--do you wear a seat belt when driving or as a passenger? Do you wash your hands after using the washroom or wash your produce before eating it? Since you trust God completely with your health, do you not trust him to protect you from negative effects of the vaccines?

As for putting your health in danger, the data is consistent that getting the vaccines are magnitudes of order safer than getting COVID. That isn't a lie; it's truth based on science.

Oh Gee, based on science. What a relief that is...not.

Of course the Covid vaccine is not effective. Just listen to all the whiners from those who got the vaccine. If you really believe it is effective why are you worried about us who don't get the vaccine?

How are we putting you in danger? It's all bull and smoke.

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Oh Gee, based on science. What a relief that is...not.

Of course the Covid vaccine is not effective. Just listen to all the whiners from those who got the vaccine. If you really believe it is effective why are you worried about us who don't get the vaccine?

How are we putting you in danger? It's all bull and smoke.

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Which vaccine is not effective? What do you mean by 'effective'? What 'whiners' and what were they whining about? I worry about those who don't get the vaccine for various reasons, not the least of which is that they risk death or long COVID.

As I said in a different post, the vaccines are proven to be effective in reducing the severity of COVID, resulting in fewer hospitalizations and deaths. They are also is effective in reducing transmission of the virus. No one has ever claimed that they are 100% effective (just so we're clear on what is meant by 'effective'), and it seems they may not be quite as effective as initially hoped, but they have had a significant impact in reducing deaths and hospitalizations.

When people don't get vaccinated, the virus spreads more and is in the body longer, so it has a greater chance of mutation. Not to mention there are people who, for various legitimate physiological reasons, cannot get vaccinated, so it does put them at more risk when people don't get vaccinated.
 

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How is the amount of time relevant?
What I am trying to figure out is this .

Lets say an healthy 18 year old male is vaccinated and 120 days later he comes down myocarditis and dies does his death get reported to VAERS ? Is there a time limit , in other words if it had been 240 days would or would it not be reported ?

What does the CDC say about this ?

 

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Which vaccine is not effective? What do you mean by 'effective'? What 'whiners' and what were they whining about? I worry about those who don't get the vaccine for various reasons, not the least of which is that they risk death or long COVID.

As I said in a different post, the vaccines are proven to be effective in reducing the severity of COVID, resulting in fewer hospitalizations and deaths. They are also is effective in reducing transmission of the virus. No one has ever claimed that they are 100% effective (just so we're clear on what is meant by 'effective'), and it seems they may not be quite as effective as initially hoped, but they have had a significant impact in reducing deaths and hospitalizations.

When people don't get vaccinated, the virus spreads more and is in the body longer, so it has a greater chance of mutation. Not to mention there are people who, for various legitimate physiological reasons, cannot get vaccinated, so it does put them at more risk when people don't get vaccinated.

Any of the covid vaccines. Again, if the vaccine was effective you have no reason to whine. If someone doesn't want it, and they die. Big deal.

Oh, I see. So, the Covid vaccines are really not effective. Proves my point. Why get them? It's all smoke and bull.

If you want to take your sugar pill go ahead. Just leave the rest of us alone.

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So, the Covid vaccines are really not effective.

He said they aren't 100% effective, not that they are 0% effective. But I think you know that.
Proves my point.

Actually, no. It didn't prove your point. Again, I think you know that.

Why get them?

I am not going to list the reasons why, as I believe you have heard them already.

It's all smoke and bull.

Only to those who refuse to be vaccinated. I think it helps them sleep at night to think that or something.
 

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Any of the covid vaccines. Again, if the vaccine was effective you have no reason to whine. If someone doesn't want it, and they die. Big deal.

Oh, I see. So, the Covid vaccines are really not effective. Proves my point. Why get them? It's all smoke and bull.

If you want to take your sugar pill go ahead. Just leave the rest of us alone.

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"Big deal" if someone who is an image-bearer of God dies? "Big deal" if someone dies when that death was possibly preventable?

Again, who is whining and what are they whining about?

No, the COVID vaccines are actually quite effective, and that is why people should get them. I care about people, I care about how those who claim to be Christian represent Christ to the world, and I care about His Church. That is why I won't leave people alone. It would be un-Christian for me to do so.
 

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What I am trying to figure out is this .

Lets say an healthy 18 year old male is vaccinated and 120 days later he comes down myocarditis and dies does his death get reported to VAERS ? Is there a time limit , in other words if it had been 240 days would or would it not be reported ?

What does the CDC say about this ?

No idea but, again, there is no reason to believe it wouldn't be reported.
 

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No idea but, again, there is no reason to believe it wouldn't be reported.
But what is the time frame that they are working with ? This is ALL I found . I did not find a specified time period for covid vaccines .


Report an Adverse Event to VAERS
 

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Not to mention there are people who, for various legitimate physiological reasons, cannot get vaccinated, so it does put them at more risk when people don't get vaccinated.

If for various reasons some people cannot get vaccinated i mean its always good for people to consult with there doctor or a health professional first when it comes to something medical right?
 
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