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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
Join Sola Scriptura for a discussion on the subject
https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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Is this Prophecy or promise??
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The verse is more properly translated "given to a people who will bring forth the fruits thereof."
Why are you asking?
A reference about isreal that the gentiles would be welcome
>>>You are right, it's about 50/50 some nation and some people.
I am asking because i thought the "kingdom of God" means blessing, authority and for people who God preferred or chose.
All these benefits which God gave to the Jews, Jesus said is no longer. God take it away and give it to someone else.
Do you agree?
>>>Where and how do you see that?
Ancient Israel ,a prophecy by Isiah .
Jesus quoted that .and yes the church isn't nor could it be isreal .
Psalm 118 is quoted .the audience is a nation.we are not plural.
No, actually. It was spoken regarding the leadership of Israel, and that God would give true leadership over into the hands of the apostles and the church. He has not forsaken the Jews, and there are many Jews who have come to Christ already, let alone those who will come to Him before His return.
>>>So, what Jesus means when he said: The kingdom of God will be taken away from you?
Anyone Jew, Buddha, Muslim, Hindu.... etc., when he fellow Christ he is no longer Jew, Buddha, Muslim or Hindu. He is a Christian.
Now, what about the same group (Jews and others), if they stay on their faith and don't believe in Christ? Are they save?
reddogs
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At the end, only those who truly believe in Christ will be saved...
>>>What do you mean? He took from them what He gave them because they didn't do what He command them to do.
Do you mean they still blessed?
Hidden in him:
and there are many Jews who have come to Christ already.
>>>Jews who comes to Christ, they are no longer Jews.
>>>When they come, then will be another day.
But for now, do Jews who don't believe in Christ forsaking by God or not?
>>>How about for now?
Does anyone who disbelieve saved or not?
Carry_Your_Name
Member
Yes and no. Regarding God's blessing and benefits, Jesus also proclaimed this in some of his parables: "the first will be the last and the last first." Jews rejected Jesus first, but make no mistake, they are NOT replaced by the church as taught in replacement theology. These days while many churches are going apostasy, Jews are embracing Christ.
>>> Do you agree there are two kind of Jews:
1) the ones who embraced Christ, they are no longer Jew (believers)
2) The ones who deny Christ, they are still Jew (disbeliever).
There are no different between the second ones and any Hindu, Buddha or Muslim, right?
Carry:
but make no mistake, they are NOT replaced.
>>>I am not the one who made the claim, it was Jesus. But if you disagree, I am more than happy to let you explain to me what he meant?
Matt. 21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
If you assign someone to do certain works for you and he didn't accomplish his mission, what you do, you hire someone else to do it and you fire the first one. and this is what Jesus said.
Carry_Your_Name
Member
This is a false dichotomy, man. You’re stuck with your replacement theology, and that’s dangerous as it fuels today’s raging antisemitism. What makes you think that Jew and Christianity are incompatible? Was Paul not a Jew? Were the twelve disciples not all Jews? Is Jesus himself not a Jew? “I say then, has God cast away His people? CERTAINLY NOT! For I also am an Israelite of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away his people WHOM HE FOREKNEW.” Rom. 11:1-2. Scripture doesn’t contradict itself, you drew a wrong conclusion.
>>>Like I said before, it was not me who made the claim, Jesus did, but you chose to ignore even to touch what he said in Matt. 21:43!!!
>>>Yes. But when a Jew accept Christ, he is no longer a Jew, he'll be called "Christian."
Let's make a little turn, if a Hindus became Christian, do you still call him "Hindus"?
>>>I don't think so.
But please tell me: Does the Jews who reject Jesus and reject what Jesus said and killed Jesus were pleasing or displeasing God?
Carry_Your_Name
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I didn't, you chose to ignore the context. Jesus's audience was the chief priests and Pharisees, not all Jewish people.
Again, false dichotomy and strawman argument.
"My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," Is. 55:8. I'm in no position to assume what pleases or displeases God, all I can tell you is your own pride and prejudice, your fortified position of replacement theology.
Carry_Your_Name
Member
And in case you don't know what strawman argument means, here's some enlightenment:
- Oversimplifying it: An arguer might regurgitate a complex or layered issue as a simple, black-and-white one.
- Focusing on just one part of the opposing argument: By doing this, the arguer ignores the various factors at play and, similar to oversimplifying the opposing argument, presents a tiny sliver of it as if that sliver were the whole thing.
- Taking it out of context: For example, an individual campaigning for better pedestrian safety measures might say, “cars are dangerous,” and their opponent could turn this into a straw man by claiming the campaigner thinks cars should be banned.
- Presenting a fringe or extreme version of an opposing argument as the mainstream version of it: For example, one might create a straw man by claiming that all vegans are opposed to all forms of animal captivity, including pet ownership.
What Is a Straw Man Argument? Definition and Examples
Imagine arguing with a scarecrow. You can make any argument you want and the scarecrow won’t argue back. In fact, you can do…
www.grammarly.com
>>>Calling names like "antisemitic" and "prejudice" I consider that to be rude.
Let's say I am a Buddha who don't believe Jesus was the Messiah, not the son of God, not a prophet, born of wedlock, not raised from the dead and I die today:
Do you believe I am saved or not?