Farely said:
"Excellent question!
I think that the following verses are some that you are seeking…"
And then you listed the following verse - I listed them and made some short comments.
Luke 8:13 KJV
Luke 8:14 KJV
You went for verses that have nothing to do with justification after Calvary – the people here were not in the body of Christ – this is prior to Calvary where there was no body of Christ. Nonie of the works of God I listed in my initial post applied to these verses of people prior to Calvary.
This shows me two things about you folks:
1. You have no idea of the uniqueness of the body of Christ.
2. Justification is a hidden doctrine to you
1 Corinthians 10:12 KJV
(12) Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
Where do you get the idea that fall means lose one’s salvation – who taught you that? Look at the context of the passage folks! The falling is falling into the sins listed – that doesn’t mean they got kicked out of the body of Christ! Plus – did you ever bother to read vs. 13!?!?!?!?!
Why do you folks want to lose it so badly?
2 Corinthians 6:1 KJV
(1) We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
Please – these could have been folks who were never saved because they received the message in vain.
Galatians 1:6 KJV
(6) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Interesting you mentioned that since you folks are preaching a gospel of works. The issue is preaching false gospel non people believing the right gospel and getting saved and then getting unsaved because they believed a false gospel. You folks have got to learn how to read. You have “lose it†tunnel vision.
Galatians 5:4 KJV
(4) Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
They have fallen from grace for they have never believed the true gospel – these folks were seeking to be justified by the law just like the verse says – just like you are trying to do!!!
1 Timothy 3:6 KJV
(6) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Try looking up the word condemnation – does it always mean the condemning that condemns to hell? Again you have “lose it†tunnel visionâ€Â.
1 Timothy 3:7 KJV
(7) Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
You mean to tell me that a saint cannot income under the influence of the devil? Are you nuts? Paul was buffeted by the wicked one!
Hebrews 4:11 KJV
(11) Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
Have you ever ran the references on what that rest is referring to? Give it a shot – take some time – get a concordance and do some comparing spiritual with spiritual for a change.
Hebrews 6:6 KJV
(6) If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
This have been commented on so much I will move on thank you – suffice it to say you are on real shaky grounds here in a book written to Hebrews not to saints in the body of Christ.
James 5:12 KJV
(12) But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
Who was James written to – did we not just talk about what condemnation earlier?
2 Peter 1:9 KJV
(9) But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
When you sin you are in the same boat – by the way – they were purged – finished.
2 Peter 1:10 KJV
(10) Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
Read the context – fall from the truth they have been given – no from their salvation. You have “lose it†tunnel vision.
2 Peter 3:17 KJV
(17) Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
The word is stedfastness - non justification – they are spelled differently.
Let’s summarize here:
1. You took verses not aimed at the body of Christ.
2. You assumed all those verses were dealing with losing salvation.
3. You confuse exhortations to holy living as referring to salvation.
One more time with feeling:
By presenting the above verse you have demonstrated:
1. You still not have shown that you know what took place at Calvary.
2. You still not have shown that you know what the doctrine of justification is.
Question – if you have a choice – would you rather known that you are secure or would you rather be content with knowing that one could lose it?
After all the verses I have listed regarding justification the fact that you still go all out in an attempt to show one can lose it is amazing.
I would say re-read Ephesians but your explanation of them being faithful and that is why those verses applied to them presents a problem. Are you saying that eventually when one is deemed faithful then he is secure like in Ephesians – so then being faithful becomes a condition for salvation – works salvation.
What do you do with these verses:
Phil 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. I know you will say. “It doesn’t say that I can’t give it up!!!!â€Â
2 Tim 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that showeth mercy.
Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, I know – this is because they were faithful!?!?!?!
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Eph 5:30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Farley – you tell me I’m lost because I’m resting in Christ alone.
What are you resting on? I know – you posted it – you are resting on you – it is there for all to see.
Have a nice day!
