dadof10 said:
"Opinion A is unquestionably true because Expert A said so." -Fallacious.
Could you point me to the post where I made this claim? If you can’t (and you CAN’T!), then this is but another example of Straw-man argumentation.
You didn't say it. That was my point, which you never accepted. Just because "an expert was the one that said it" doesn't necessarily make something beyond question. It's a category of an improper appeal to authority. Instead of stating "Jeremiah 16:21 should be translated a certain way -because of this reasoning- ... you've repeated that "experts say it should be this way, therefore that is THE way it should be translated"
OK. Assuming he IS AN EXPERT. How are we to objectively know, unless we actually know who he is and can check his credentials?
Credentials and intellectual honesty are NOT directly correlated.
Agreed, however the translation of John 1:1 isn’t disputed. There is only one anonymous group (person? alien? Fairy…?) who disagrees with EVERY OTHER GREEK SCHOLAR’S OPINION.
"EVERY OTHER GREEK SCHOLAR?"
“and was himself a divine person†(Edward Harwood, H KAINH DIAQHKH. London, 1776, 2 vols; 2nd ed. 1784, 2 vols. 1768)
“and the word was a god†(Newcome, 1808)
“the Word was God’s†(Crellius,as quoted in The New Testament in an Improved Version)
“and the Word was a divine being.†(La Bible du Centenaire, L’Evangile selon Jean, by Maurice Goguel,1928)
“the Logos was a god (John Samuel Thompson, The Montessoran; or The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists, Baltimore; published by the translator, 1829)
“the Word was divine†(Goodspeed’s An American Translation, 1939)
“the word was a god.†(Revised Version-Improved and Corrected)
“and god[-ly/-like] was the Word.†(Prof. Felix Just, S.J. – Loyola Marymount University)
“the Logos was divine†(Moffatt’s The Bible, 1972)
“the Word was God*[ftn. or Deity, Divine, which is a better translation, because the Greek definite article is not present before this Greek word] (International English Bible-Extreme New Testament, 2001)
“and the Word was a god†(Reijnier Rooleeuw, M.D. -The New Testament of Our Lord Jesus Christ, translated from the Greek, 1694)
“[A]s a god the Command was†(Hermann Heinfetter, A Literal Translation of the New Testament,1863)
“The Word was a God†(Abner Kneeland-The New Testament in Greek and English, 1822)
“[A]nd a God (i.e. a Divine Being) was the Word†(Robert Young, LL.D. (Concise Commentary on the Holy Bible [Grand Rapids: Baker, n.d.], 54). 1885)
“the Word was a god†(Belsham N.T. 1809)
“And the logos was a god†(Leicester Ambrose, The Final Theology, Volume 1, New York, New York; M.B. Sawyer and Company, 1879) “the Word was Deistic [=The Word was Godly] (Charles A.L. Totten, The Gospel of History, 1900)
“[A]nd was a god†(J.N. Jannaris, Zeitschrift fur die Newtestameutlich Wissencraft, (German periodical) 1901, International Bible Translators N.T. 1981)
“[A] Divine Person.†(Samuel Clarke, M.A., D.D., rector of St. James, Westminster, A Paraphrase on the Gospel of John, London)
“a God†(Joseph Priestley, LL.D., F.R.S. [Philadelphia: Thomas Dobson, 1794], 37).)
“a God†(Lant Carpenter, LL.D (in Unitarianism in the Gospels [London: C. Stower, 1809], 156).)
“a god†(Andrews Norton, D.D. [Cambridge: Brown, Shattuck, and Company, 1833], 74).)
“a God†(Paul Wernle,(in The Beginnings of Christianity, vol. 1, The Rise of Religion [1903], 16).)
“and the [Marshal] [Word] was a god.†(21st Century Literal)
“[A]nd (a) God was the word†(George William Horner, The Coptic Version of the New Testament, 1911)
“[A]nd the Word was of divine nature†(Ernest Findlay Scott, The Literature of the New Testament, New York, Columbia University Press, 1932)
“[T]he Word was a God†(James L. Tomanec, The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed, 1958)
“The Word had the same nature as God†(Philip Harner, JBL, Vol. 92, 1974)
“And a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word†(Siegfried Schulz, Das Evangelium nach Johannes, 1975)
“and godlike sort was the Logos†(Johannes Schneider, Das Evangelium nach Johannes, 1978)
“the Word was a divine Being†(Scholar’s Version-The Five Gospels, 1993)
“The Divine word and wisdom was there with God, and it was what God was†(J. Madsen, New Testament A Rendering , 1994)
“a God/god was the Logos/logos†(Jurgen Becker, Das Evangelium nach Johannes, 1979)
“The Word/word was itself a divine Being/being.†(Curt Stage, The New Testament, 1907)
“the Word was of divine kind†(Lyder Brun (Norw. professor of NT theology), 1945)
“was of divine Kind/kind†(Fredrich Pfaefflin, The New Testament, 1949)
“godlike Being/being had the Word/word†(Albrecht, 1957)
“the word of the world was a divine being†(Smit, 1960)
“God(=godlike Being/being) was the Word/word†(Menge, 1961)
“divine (of the category divinity)was the Logos†(Haenchen (tr. By R. Funk), 1984)
“And the Word was divine.†(William Temple, Archbishop of York, Readings in St. John’s Gospel, London, Macmillan & Co.,1933)
“The Word of Speech was a God†(John Crellius, Latin form of German, The 2 Books of John Crellius Fancus, Touching One God the Father, 1631)
“the word was with Allah[God] and the word was a god†(Greek Orthodox /Arabic Calendar, incorporating portions of the 4 Gospels, Greek Orthodox Patriarchy or Beirut, May, 1983)
“And the Word was Divine†(Ervin Edward Stringfellow (Prof. of NT Language and Literature/Drake University, 1943)
“and the Logos was divine (a divine being)†(Robert Harvey, D.D., Professor of New Testament Language and Literature, Westminster College, Cambridge, in The Historic Jesus in the New Testament, London, Student Movement Christian Press1931)
“the word was a divine being.†(Jesuit John L. McKenzie, 1965, wrote in his Dictionary of the Bible: “Jn 1:1 should rigorously be translated . . . ‘the word was a divine being.’)
“In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word.†(Interlineary Word for Word English Translation-Emphatic Diaglott)
It's perfectly fine for you to disagree with our points... but for you to stick your head in the sand and deny that ANYONE but the JWs are questioning the KJV's rendition of John 1:1 makes it very difficult to have an honest conversation, don't you think?
[quote:33cm4eow]A wealthy man pays $200,000 a year to send his son through the best college in the world to study a certain field... his son is struggling through class and hires the Teacher's Aid to tutor him enough to pass his tests and get his degree.
Who's the expert? The Teacher's Aid who doesn't have ANY degree because he can't afford to buy the credits, but understands the material completely? Or the rich man's son who barely managed to retain the information long enough to pass his test and get a piece of paper?
Surely you are not equating every translator but the anonymous JW’s to a spoiled rich kid who didn’t learn anything in college? Surely you are not trying to make the laughable case that the JW translators, whoever they (he?) are, have more actual knowledge of Greek than the Greek translators of the all other versions?[/quote:33cm4eow]
I'm not insulting any particular translator. I'm saying that credentials are not inseparable from comprehension. And, don't call me Shirley. :biglaugh