Jesus’ last words spoken in person to his own regarding the End Times

[Dorothy Mae]

Much time and energy and piles of money have been spent by believers trying to learn what the “last days” mean and what comprises those times. What we should do is less discussed, but also a pursuit although answers are vague for us today.

This morning The Lord has impressed upon me a verse I never considered before and feel I am to share it. If each one of us were to stand or kneel or sit before Him and ask after his second coming, I feel this would be his answer.

It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

This pursuit to know the future has not produced any good fruit and it seems clear to me why. It is in violation of what He told his followers to do regarding this matter.

There is even a certain amount of aggression towards those who disagree with the popular eschatology and now I see why. Pursue what Jesus told us NOT to pursue and you put yourself under the enemy’s power.

Jesus said the devil “had nothing in him” meaning he never submitted to the devil by disobeying God. When we disobey Jesus, the Devil has something in us.

Jesus said it is NOT for us to know what and when God will bring about his future plans.

He who has ears, let him hear.

 

[Dave Watchman]

It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Or is it not for YOU to know?

Lol.

This pursuit to know the future has not produced any good fruit and it seems clear to me why. It is in violation of what He told his followers to do regarding this matter.

Jesus commanded us to watch.

But you must watch.

YOU and ALL.

"And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!”​

There is even a certain amount of aggression towards those who disagree with the popular eschatology and now I see why. Pursue what Jesus told us NOT to pursue and you put yourself under the enemy’s power.

"Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.​

Jesus said it is NOT for us to know what and when God will bring about his future plans.

He was talking to His disciples who were present on Ascension Day in 30AD.

He was answering their question: will you at THIS TIME restore Israel???

"So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”​

They didn't know what was happening at that time. For all they knew, Jesus might bring King David back to life and start up Old Israel again. Those early disciples were living right at the line of demarcation separating a kingdom that would be taken from one group, and given to a new nation that would bear fruit. Jesus couldn't explain it all to them right then and there, but they were about to find out soon.

"But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”​

Did they know that they'd be writing the New Testament?

Did they know that their Gospel message would be translated into all languages and printed into a Bible that would become the world's most popular book, preached as a testimony to all nations, witness to the ends of the earth?

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.​

He who has ears, let him hear.

Amen.

And then the end will come.

I'm more fixated on this part:

“Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”​

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Or is it not for YOU to know?

Lol.

I guess one of the highest compliments I’ve ever received that you put me on the level of the apostles receiving very personal instructions not meant for others.

Jesus commanded us to watch. But you must watch.

YOU and ALL.

"And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!”​

Watch for what? What exactly are YOU watching for and what makes you different than those who are not watching? (Jesus told them to watch because they needed to know when to leave town so they don't suffer its destruction as well. They needed to watch. His second coming will be as in the days before the flood...no signs whatsoever.)

"Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.​

Paul went to the temple and contended for the faith arguing that Jesus was the Christ. Be ready to give to everyman who asks a REASON for the hope that is within you. Not all discussions contending for the faith are foolish, and in fact, those are the debates that have eternal consequences. The wise man knows the difference between the foolish and the important.

He was talking to His disciples who were present on Ascension Day in 30AD.

He was answering their question: will you at THIS TIME restore Israel???

"So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”​

They didn't know what was happening at that time. For all they knew, Jesus might bring King David back to life and start up Old Israel again. Those early disciples were living right at the line of demarcation separating a kingdom that would be taken from one group, and given to a new nation that would bear fruit. Jesus couldn't explain it all to them right then and there, but they were about to find out soon.

"But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”​

Yes, and they never again talked about the restoration of the Kingdom where Jesus is ruling from Jerusalem. Never again. Why? Because they understood that was NOT the plan. The epistles and gospels describe no such event. They were to receive power and be his witnesses. They were not to watch to see when he enters Jerusalem to rule the world from there.

Did they know that they'd be writing the New Testament?

Of course not. What difference does that make?

Did they know that their Gospel message would be translated into all languages and printed into a Bible that would become the world's most popular book, preached as a testimony to all nations, witness to the ends of the earth?

Yes, of course.

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.​

And Paul wrote that this gospel HAS BEEN proclaimed throughout the whole world and the end of the Jewish covenant age came. Do you want the scripture for him writing that?

Amen.

And then the end will come.

I'm more fixated on this part:

“Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”​

Absolutely. He will come again with no entourage of warriors on horseback to begin bloodshed on the earth. He is not coming in a hostile takeover. He is coming as he went...alone....descending...no trumpets...no signs, just as he left.

Peaceful Sabbath.

to you as well

 

[Consecrated Life]

Much time and energy and piles of money have been spent by believers trying to learn what the “last days” mean and what comprises those times. What we should do is less discussed, but also a pursuit although answers are vague for us today.

This morning The Lord has impressed upon me a verse I never considered before and feel I am to share it. If each one of us were to stand or kneel or sit before Him and ask after his second coming, I feel this would be his answer.

It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Jesus said it is NOT for us to know what and when God will bring about his future plans.

Good point Dorothy Mae.
And the major reason I adhere to a pre-trib rapture .
There is nothing that needs to happen , or be seen , & nothing to look for if you are pre-trib believer.
By virtue of being pre-trib it is impossible to be looking for anything.
His coming to gather His children could happen today or tomorrow with no advance sign or event .
On the other hand if you are of the other camps who believe the Tribulation must first come then by definition you are looking for many things to happen .
Clearly then the pre-trib believer is living in the Spirit of not anticipating any sign or event of His coming as Jesus instructed.
God Bless +

 

[dwb001]

Much time and energy and piles of money have been spent by believers trying to learn what the “last days” mean and what comprises those times. What we should do is less discussed, but also a pursuit although answers are vague for us today.

This morning The Lord has impressed upon me a verse I never considered before and feel I am to share it. If each one of us were to stand or kneel or sit before Him and ask after his second coming, I feel this would be his answer.

It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

This pursuit to know the future has not produced any good fruit and it seems clear to me why. It is in violation of what He told his followers to do regarding this matter.

There is even a certain amount of aggression towards those who disagree with the popular eschatology and now I see why. Pursue what Jesus told us NOT to pursue and you put yourself under the enemy’s power.

Jesus said the devil “had nothing in him” meaning he never submitted to the devil by disobeying God. When we disobey Jesus, the Devil has something in us.

Jesus said it is NOT for us to know what and when God will bring about his future plans.

He who has ears, let him hear.

I see you didn't include a Biblical reference for what last time Jesus spoke to His followers... so which reference are you referring?

I see the last time Jesus spoke to His followers as...
Rev22:16 I Jesus have sent my angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hears say, Come. And let him that is thirsty come. And whoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
18 For I testify to every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add to these things, God shall add to him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifies these things said, Surely I come quickly. Amen.

 

[Dave Watchman]

His second coming will be as in the days before the flood...no signs whatsoever.)

For the people not watching.

The people in the ark were alert.

Absolutely. He will come again with no entourage of warriors on horseback to begin bloodshed on the earth. He is not coming in a hostile takeover. He is coming as he went...alone....descending...no trumpets...no signs, just as he left.

"For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.​

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"and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.​

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"Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.​

You want the one about the blood as high as a horses bridle?

"So the angel swung his sickle across the earth and gathered the grape harvest of the earth and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood flowed from the winepress, as high as a horse’s bridle, for 1,600 stadia.​

Is this the "like manner" that the men of Galilee saw Him go into heaven?

Then could the two men in white raiment have been hinting about the timing?

Watch for what? What exactly are YOU watching for and what makes you different than those who are not watching?

I put it in the spoiler already.

Same things Jesus was talking about.

And early in Mark.

When He said that the "time" is fulfilled (27AD).

The Daniel 9 time, again.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Good point Dorothy Mae.
And the major reason I adhere to a pre-trib rapture .
There is nothing that needs to happen , or be seen , & nothing to look for if you are pre-trib believer.
By virtue of being pre-trib it is impossible to be looking for anything.
His coming to gather His children could happen today or tomorrow with no advance sign or event .
On the other hand if you are of the other camps who believe the Tribulation must first come then by definition you are looking for many things to happen .
Clearly then the pre-trib believer is living in the Spirit of not anticipating any sign or event of His coming as Jesus instructed.
God Bless +

Thanks for responding CF. I appreciate you expressing your views.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I see you didn't include a Biblical reference for what last time Jesus spoke to His followers... so which reference are you referring?

Is that passage unfamiliar to you?

I see the last time Jesus spoke to His followers as...
Rev22:16 I Jesus have sent my angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that hears say, Come. And let him that is thirsty come. And whoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
18 For I testify to every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add to these things, God shall add to him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20 He which testifies these things said, Surely I come quickly. Amen.

Ah, you didn’t read carefully. Read the title again. It was the last time Jesus spoke in person, that is in the not yet ascended body. Jesus has since spoken to countless believers but that was the last time before he ascended. Revelation was a vision or John was “in the spirit”. Jesus didn’t visit John on Patmos and share fish.

 

[dwb001]

Is that passage unfamiliar to you?

What passage? I didn't see any recognisable signatures of Biblical reference.

Ah, you didn’t read carefully. Read the title again. It was the last time Jesus spoke in person, that is in the not yet ascended body. Jesus has since spoken to countless believers but that was the last time before he ascended. Revelation was a vision or John was “in the spirit”. Jesus didn’t visit John on Patmos and share fish.

Now you are adding all sorts of restrictions on when Jesus is allowed to speak.
The post is about when Jesus spoke... not ate.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

For the people not watching.

The people in the ark were alert.

Where is scripture for that assumption? What were the signs they supposedly were alert to?

"For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

That’s the Resurrection. Isn’t it obvious?

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"and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.​

Notice only the sign of the Son of Man, not the Son of Man himself. That was NOT the second coming.

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"Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.​

Ah, that reference always means judgement, not the second coming. It’s a Hebrew expression for Gods judgement. Was in the OT too.

You want the one about the blood as high as a horses bridle?

That happened in Jerusalem 70AD

"So the angel swung his sickle across the earth and gathered the grape harvest of the earth and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood flowed from the winepress, as high as a horse’s bridle, for 1,600 stadia.​

70 AD, We don’t use horses in battle but just leisure now.

Is this the "like manner" that the men of Galilee saw Him go into heaven?

Calm, not riding a horse, no military entourage, peaceful.

Then could the two men in white raiment have been hinting about the timing?

No, they said MANNER not time.

I put it in the spoiler already.

Same things Jesus was talking about.

And early in Mark.

When He said that the "time" is fulfilled (27AD).

The Daniel 9 time, again.

Peaceful Sabbath.

Daniel and Revelation match except Daniels writings were distant future whereas Revelation near future.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

What passage? I didn't see any recognisable signatures of Biblical reference.

Really? You never read the description of the ascension? You never heard of it?

Now you are adding all sorts of restrictions on when Jesus is allowed to speak.

No, I’m taking what he says. “As in the days of Noah” where there was no sign. That’s what he said.

The post is about when Jesus spoke... not ate.

Ah, limiting scripture to the bits that fit?

 

[dwb001]

Really? You never read the description of the ascension? You never heard of it?

Still not Biblical reference. Why are you afraid to answer a question?

No, I’m taking what he says. “As in the days of Noah” where there was no sign. That’s what he said.

Now you are going back to Noah???? When did I mention Noah?
Who he?
And there was a sign in the days of Noah. When Noah went into the ark. When all those animal went into the ark. When the door of the ark remained open for 7 days before being closed.
So that sounds like 3 signs that people could have seen before the first raindrop fell.

Ah, limiting scripture to the bits that fit?

That was your limit... I am just responding.
If you would have said the last words before Jesus ascended... I would not have engage with this conversation.
Try to phrase things better and you might get less unwanted feedback.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Still not Biblical reference. Why are you afraid to answer a question?

Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

I see you’re one of those who haven’t read the Bible much and so don’t recognize references to it without a quote.

Now you are going back to Noah????

That’s the Bible, do you need the reference so you know about Noah too?

When did I mention Noah?
Who he?

Jesus talked about Noah. Need that reference? Read Matt 24

And there was a sign in the days of Noah. When Noah went into the ark. When all those animal went into the ark. When the door of the ark remained open for 7 days before being closed.

Where is that reference? Marching into the Ark is not a sign.

So that sounds like 3 signs that people could have seen before the first raindrop fell.

No, there were no signs according to Jesus. You think there were but according to Him there weren’t. I believe him not you.

I’ll give the quote as you are unfamiliar with scripture.

26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed themall. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 3

No signs given.

That was your limit... I am just responding.
If you would have said the last words before Jesus ascended... I would not have engage with this conversation.
Try to phrase things better and you might get less unwanted feedback.

Ah, I used the words to mean what I wanted to say. The angel says Jesus will come again as he left, no signs, no horseback riding invading warrior. I know the eschatology that doesn’t like this and needs a dose of truth.

But I suggest you read the Bible more so you are able to recognize references from it without direct quotes.

 

[dwb001]

Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Again... not reference.

I see you’re one of those who haven’t read the Bible much and so don’t recognize references to it without a quote.

I can recognise something and still require a passage to reference... to check your work.

That’s the Bible, do you need the reference so you know about Noah too?

It may be in the Bible... but in the post your comment came out of nowhere.

Jesus talked about Noah. Need that reference? Read Matt 24

In the post are you saying ...
'No, I’m taking what he says. “As in the days of Noah” where there was no sign. That’s what he said.'
and I asked who this he is... usually when speaking of Jesus we capitalise He.

Where is that reference? Marching into the Ark is not a sign.

Yes it was... to those on the ground... yes it was.

No, there were no signs according to Jesus. You think there were but according to Him there weren’t. I believe him not you.

I’ll give the quote as you are unfamiliar with scripture.

26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed themall. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 3

No signs given.

In your post I have put in bold... both the signs as Jesus pointed them out.

Ah, I used the words to mean what I wanted to say. The angel says Jesus will come again as he left, no signs, no horseback riding invading warrior. I know the eschatology that doesn’t like this and needs a dose of truth.

So truth belongs in a ditch... according to you. Interesting.

But I suggest you read the Bible more so you are able to recognize references from it without direct quotes.

I can recognise the Bible quotes... but sometimes people get them wrong.
Lets just try to keep each other on track by not paraphrasing the Bible too much.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Again... not reference.

I can recognise something and still require a passage to reference... to check your work.

It may be in the Bible... but in the post your comment came out of nowhere.

In the post are you saying ...
'No, I’m taking what he says. “As in the days of Noah” where there was no sign. That’s what he said.'
and I asked who this he is... usually when speaking of Jesus we capitalise He.

Yes it was... to those on the ground... yes it was.

In your post I have put in bold... both the signs as Jesus pointed them out.

So truth belongs in a ditch... according to you. Interesting.

I can recognise the Bible quotes... but sometimes people get them wrong.
Lets just try to keep each other on track by not paraphrasing the Bible too much.

You really don’t know the Bible verses from other writings do you? It’s in Luke 17. You can’t do cut and paste to check can you?

Please live up to your standard and post the reference where any Bible verse speaks of signs before the flood or signs before Sodom was toast. You insist on references, give them yourself.
I know the Bible extremely well and it’s not there but the search will do you good. Signs the writers of the Bible say, not you say.

 

[dwb001]

You really don’t know the Bible verses from other writings do you? It’s in Luke 17. You can’t do cut and paste to check can you?

Please live up to your standard and post the reference where any Bible verse speaks of signs before he flood or signs before Sodom was toast. You insist on references, give them yourself.

Why should I when you did?
But if you insist. From your post.
26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed themall. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 3

The bold bits are what I would consider signs.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Why should I when you did?
But if you insist. From your post.
26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed themall. 30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 3

The bold bits are what I would consider signs.

No one in the Bible considered them signs. No one.

 

[dwb001]

No one in the Bible considered them signs. No one.

And that is why they missed it.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

And that is why they missed it.

Jesus and Noah and Moses all didn’t know there were signs but you do?

You really need to read the Bible more because signs are given so that people know something is coming. That is why God sends signs.

 

[dwb001]

Jesus and Noah and Moses all didn’t know there were signs but you do?

Where is your proof for your assertions?
And hindsight is wonderful, isn't it?