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I want to know what other Christians think of the revered Jonathan Edwards. Is he a Saint or is he a worker of Iniquity.
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I don't know about his but calvanism does bother me.
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But then again, so does arminianism.
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Gendou Ikari
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He was a Calvinist? I didn't know.
This is what bothers me:
The sight of hell torments will exalt the happiness of the saints forever. . .Can the believing father in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving children in Hell. . . I tell you, yea! Such will be his sense of justice that it will increase rather than diminish his bliss.
“Reprobate infants are vipers of vengeance, which Jehovah will hold over hell, in the tongs of his wrath, till they turn and spit venom in his face!â€Â
I have to thank the true God that Edwards is a lier.
This is what bothers me:
The sight of hell torments will exalt the happiness of the saints forever. . .Can the believing father in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving children in Hell. . . I tell you, yea! Such will be his sense of justice that it will increase rather than diminish his bliss.
“Reprobate infants are vipers of vengeance, which Jehovah will hold over hell, in the tongs of his wrath, till they turn and spit venom in his face!â€Â
I have to thank the true God that Edwards is a lier.
Though I believe Jonathon Edwards was extreme and wrong in regards to his views of hell, he was nonetheless quite brilliant as this article speaks to. Hopefully you can find something positive about him and his life, remembering traditional christendom has always been extreme in respect to eternal punishment. Beza
JONATHAN EDWARDS, SCHOLAR, PREACHER, MISSIONARY (24 MAR 1758)
(NOTE: Edwards died on 22 March, and is commemorated on that date on the Lutheran calendar. He is here transferred to 24 March.)
"Jonathan Edwards was the last and greatest of the great New England Puritan preachers. Some historians account him the greatest intellect of the Western Hemisphere before 1900. (The achievements of his descendants are such that the Edwards family used to be cited in psychology textbooks -- and in Ripley's BELIEVE IT OR NOT column - -- as proof that genius is an inherited trait.) I once heard the distinguished Austrian philosopher Herbert Feigl (not a Christian, by the way) lecture on the will and the intellect. Afterwards I said to him, "You were practically quoting from Jonathan Edwards, weren't you?" He said, "Of course. Edwards is the clearest writer available on the subject. If you want to think clearly about the human will, you begin by reading Edwards."
Edwards was born in Connecticut in 1703 and educated at home and at Yale University. As a youth, he had a keen interest in natural science, and wrote treatises ON INSECTS and ON THE RAINBOW (the latter in terms of the discoveries of Newton). When he was fourteen, he discovered the just-published writings of John Locke, doing so, as he said, "with greater pleasure than the greediest miser uncovering a rich hoard of gold and silver coins." He adopted Locke's psychology and epistemology as his own, and used them as the basis for an intellectual defense of Calvinism.
As a young man, Edwards was reading and contemplating on the words of Paul to Timothy (I Tim 6:14-16)
+ I charge you to keep the commandment unstained and free from + reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ; and this + will be made manifest at the proper time by the blessed and + only Sovereign, the King of Kings and Lord of lords, who alone + has immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man + has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. + Amen.
As he read, he felt an overwhelming sense of the majesty and grandeur of God, and what a privilege it is to serve so great a being, and what an honor God has bestowed upon us by calling us to his service. The experience of that day changed his life permanently. However, he hesitated to call it a conversion experience, since he was told by his spiritual directors that the fear of hell was an essential part of any conversion, and he could not find in his experience any trace of fear, but only wonder, awe, peace, joy, and gratitude. (Eventually, I suppose, he managed to frighten himself enough to put his mind at ease on the point.) I note this with interest, since Edwards much later delivered a sermon called "Sinners in the hands of an angry God" that has attracted some interest among non-Christians. Anthologies of American Literature intended for survey courses in high school or college often include a short extract from Edwards, and that extract is practically always from this one sermon. Generations of students have learned nothing about Edwards except that he was a Puritan preacher who preached about Hell -- presumably every Sunday. In fact, mentions of Hell are rare in Edwards' writing. He has far more to say about the love of God than about his wrath.
If you were exposed to Edwards' "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" in your English class, and would like to see what Edwards is really like when the quotations from him are not all chosen by his opponents, try reading his sermon "On the Excellencies of Christ." To obtain a copy, send the message GET LION LAMB to the address and back will come a 1454-line file containing the sermon. Alternatively consult the Web at http//http://www.ihi.aber.ac.uk/~spk/christia.html Why do school textbooks always print extracts from Edwards on hell-fire and never Edwards on the love of God in Christ? My own suspicion is that they know that most non-Christian teen-agers will simply laugh off a hell-fire sermon, but that a significant number of them might be moved by Edwards' more usual approach as in this sermon. If students from non-Christian families started coming home and saying, "We read a sermon in English class today that really got to me, and I want to become a Christian," their parents would be talking to the school board and perhaps to a judge in nothing flat.
Religious experience is central to the life and thought of Jonathan Edwards. One of his major works is a treatise defending Predestination on logical and intellectual grounds. (This was the book that Feigl considered the definitive analysis of the concept of Free Will.) But it was not through logic that he was himself convinced of the doctrine. As a youth, he had vigorously rejected it as a horrible and immoral teaching, one inconsistent with the love of God. But when he had what he regarded as a direct experience and revelation of the grandeur and absolute sovereignty of God, all his former objections seemed irrelevant.
After college, Edwards became assistant pastor and then pastor of Northampton Church, the most important church in Massachusetts outside Boston. There he preached a series of sermons on justification by faith that gave rise to an area-wide religious revival. A few years later, George Whitefield, an English Methodist evangelist, colleage of John Wesley, visited the area and his preaching occasioned a more widespread revival. Edwards wrote A FAITHFUL NARRATIVE OF THE SURPRISING WORK OF GOD and A TREATISE ON THE RELIGIOUS AFFECTIONS, works in which he analyzed and defended various kinds of conversion experience.
Eventually Edwards had problems with his congregation. He thought that only persons who had undergone conversion ought to be admitted to the Lord's Supper, and his congregation thought otherwise. He accordingly resigned in 1750 and went to western Massachusetts to be a missionary to the Indians. He remained there for seven years, writing two of his major works, and struggling with language difficulties, ill health, and inter-tribal Indian wars. In 1757 he became president of Princeton University (then called the College of New Jersey) and a year later died from complications arising from a smallpox innoculation.
He was a pastor and teacher, preacher and missionary, scholar and philosopher, logician and visionary, and throughout it all, a faithful servant of Christ."
JONATHAN EDWARDS, SCHOLAR, PREACHER, MISSIONARY (24 MAR 1758)
(NOTE: Edwards died on 22 March, and is commemorated on that date on the Lutheran calendar. He is here transferred to 24 March.)
"Jonathan Edwards was the last and greatest of the great New England Puritan preachers. Some historians account him the greatest intellect of the Western Hemisphere before 1900. (The achievements of his descendants are such that the Edwards family used to be cited in psychology textbooks -- and in Ripley's BELIEVE IT OR NOT column - -- as proof that genius is an inherited trait.) I once heard the distinguished Austrian philosopher Herbert Feigl (not a Christian, by the way) lecture on the will and the intellect. Afterwards I said to him, "You were practically quoting from Jonathan Edwards, weren't you?" He said, "Of course. Edwards is the clearest writer available on the subject. If you want to think clearly about the human will, you begin by reading Edwards."
Edwards was born in Connecticut in 1703 and educated at home and at Yale University. As a youth, he had a keen interest in natural science, and wrote treatises ON INSECTS and ON THE RAINBOW (the latter in terms of the discoveries of Newton). When he was fourteen, he discovered the just-published writings of John Locke, doing so, as he said, "with greater pleasure than the greediest miser uncovering a rich hoard of gold and silver coins." He adopted Locke's psychology and epistemology as his own, and used them as the basis for an intellectual defense of Calvinism.
As a young man, Edwards was reading and contemplating on the words of Paul to Timothy (I Tim 6:14-16)
+ I charge you to keep the commandment unstained and free from + reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ; and this + will be made manifest at the proper time by the blessed and + only Sovereign, the King of Kings and Lord of lords, who alone + has immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man + has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. + Amen.
As he read, he felt an overwhelming sense of the majesty and grandeur of God, and what a privilege it is to serve so great a being, and what an honor God has bestowed upon us by calling us to his service. The experience of that day changed his life permanently. However, he hesitated to call it a conversion experience, since he was told by his spiritual directors that the fear of hell was an essential part of any conversion, and he could not find in his experience any trace of fear, but only wonder, awe, peace, joy, and gratitude. (Eventually, I suppose, he managed to frighten himself enough to put his mind at ease on the point.) I note this with interest, since Edwards much later delivered a sermon called "Sinners in the hands of an angry God" that has attracted some interest among non-Christians. Anthologies of American Literature intended for survey courses in high school or college often include a short extract from Edwards, and that extract is practically always from this one sermon. Generations of students have learned nothing about Edwards except that he was a Puritan preacher who preached about Hell -- presumably every Sunday. In fact, mentions of Hell are rare in Edwards' writing. He has far more to say about the love of God than about his wrath.
If you were exposed to Edwards' "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" in your English class, and would like to see what Edwards is really like when the quotations from him are not all chosen by his opponents, try reading his sermon "On the Excellencies of Christ." To obtain a copy, send the message GET LION LAMB to the address and back will come a 1454-line file containing the sermon. Alternatively consult the Web at http//http://www.ihi.aber.ac.uk/~spk/christia.html Why do school textbooks always print extracts from Edwards on hell-fire and never Edwards on the love of God in Christ? My own suspicion is that they know that most non-Christian teen-agers will simply laugh off a hell-fire sermon, but that a significant number of them might be moved by Edwards' more usual approach as in this sermon. If students from non-Christian families started coming home and saying, "We read a sermon in English class today that really got to me, and I want to become a Christian," their parents would be talking to the school board and perhaps to a judge in nothing flat.
Religious experience is central to the life and thought of Jonathan Edwards. One of his major works is a treatise defending Predestination on logical and intellectual grounds. (This was the book that Feigl considered the definitive analysis of the concept of Free Will.) But it was not through logic that he was himself convinced of the doctrine. As a youth, he had vigorously rejected it as a horrible and immoral teaching, one inconsistent with the love of God. But when he had what he regarded as a direct experience and revelation of the grandeur and absolute sovereignty of God, all his former objections seemed irrelevant.
After college, Edwards became assistant pastor and then pastor of Northampton Church, the most important church in Massachusetts outside Boston. There he preached a series of sermons on justification by faith that gave rise to an area-wide religious revival. A few years later, George Whitefield, an English Methodist evangelist, colleage of John Wesley, visited the area and his preaching occasioned a more widespread revival. Edwards wrote A FAITHFUL NARRATIVE OF THE SURPRISING WORK OF GOD and A TREATISE ON THE RELIGIOUS AFFECTIONS, works in which he analyzed and defended various kinds of conversion experience.
Eventually Edwards had problems with his congregation. He thought that only persons who had undergone conversion ought to be admitted to the Lord's Supper, and his congregation thought otherwise. He accordingly resigned in 1750 and went to western Massachusetts to be a missionary to the Indians. He remained there for seven years, writing two of his major works, and struggling with language difficulties, ill health, and inter-tribal Indian wars. In 1757 he became president of Princeton University (then called the College of New Jersey) and a year later died from complications arising from a smallpox innoculation.
He was a pastor and teacher, preacher and missionary, scholar and philosopher, logician and visionary, and throughout it all, a faithful servant of Christ."
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Nocturnal_Principal_X
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Jonathan Edwards as far as I know was a wonderful American Theologian. Now I say that because honestly I don’t know much about him, however; in recent months I am slowly learning about him as a Theologian and preacher and being to love his stuff.
When most people think of Jonathan Edwards they think of the one sermon they read in English classâ€â€Ã¢â‚¬Å“Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.†Now despite the rather harsh and perhaps shocking tone of this particular sermon Jonathan Edwards preached the sermon rather dispassionately. I suggest people do some investigating and look at his other works before casting judgment on this man.
When most people think of Jonathan Edwards they think of the one sermon they read in English classâ€â€Ã¢â‚¬Å“Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.†Now despite the rather harsh and perhaps shocking tone of this particular sermon Jonathan Edwards preached the sermon rather dispassionately. I suggest people do some investigating and look at his other works before casting judgment on this man.
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amen.Lyric's Dad said:
Both doctrines seem to be extremist views.
I believe Jonathan Edwards was the greatest American theologian ever - bar none.Gendou Ikari said:
Not only that he was one of the most kind, gentled hearted pastors one could ask for.
He was gracious - firm but with a loving hand, well-respected, and one of the most disciplined Christiains ever - just try to keep only 10 of is resolves and see how well you do.
His relationship with his wife was a pattern for all to emulate.
Was Jonathan Edwards perfect - of course not. What most folks know about him was his sermon, "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God" which he softly preached (almost read) from his pulpit and it was mightily used of God - regardless of what the lost reprobates of modern, "educated " society say about the sermon.
Sadly saints today know little about him or his works - they just listen to what the sceptics and lost sinners say about him.
And yes, he was a "Calvinist". But before you disagree or judge him based upon that I suggest you read his works - if you can reason with him - instead of listening what others "say" or thinkabout him. But today most "christians" are too filled up with PTL, football, TV, Kenneth Copeland, TD Jakes, Joyce Meyers, "Purpose Driven Lives", etc. to sit down and be able to understand real thinkers.
Here is a link if anyone wants to learn more.
http://www.jonathanedwards.com/
God bless
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Soma-Sight
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This sounds like iniquity to me......
I would walk out of this trash as fast as I could.....
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santamarana
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AVBunyan said:
Definition for Theology:
The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.
A system or school of opinions concerning God and religious questions: Protestant theology; Jewish theology.
A course of specialized religious study usually at a college or seminary.
Edwards does not in any way fit this truth.
Read his writings! Do you think a man who thought of a God who would enjoy watching others suffer endless torment knows the Character of God.
God is Love! God was not in Christ reconciling Himself to man.
God was in Christ reconciling the world unto himself not counting their tresspasses.
Who is the object and what is the purpose of this propitiation? Surely God does not set forth Christ to propitiate Himself! Such an idea would be exceedingly absurd: man, most certainly, is the one to be soothed, appeased, conciliated. Let it be noticed also that the very word that in Rom. 3:25 is rendered "propitiation," in Heb. 9:5 is rendered "Mercy-seat." Who is the mercy-seat for? Man or God? Is it not plain that the creeds have exactly reversed the truth in regard to this point? They teach that God is the one to be propitiated, as though the mercy-seat were for Him, whereas it is quite self-evident that the propitiation, the mercy-seat, is entirely for man. Christ is the Propitiation, or Mercy-seat, for "the whole world." (1 John 2:2).
And he (Jesus) is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Do you think Christ is pleading with the father on our behalf?
NO WAY!
Christ is pleading with mankind to be reconciled!
Why do we need an mediator, a advocate with the father?
Man needs someone to introduce him to God; he never would come directly to him. God's ineffable glory and absolute holiness repels sinful man, and he never can believe that such a God loves him, except by having a third party to reveal that love to him in some way; this third party is the Mediator, "the Man Christ Jesus." (1 Tim. 2:5). We "come unto God by Him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for us." (Heb. 7:25). He is our "Advocate [i.e. Helper, 1-9-197, 198) with the Father;" not that the Father needs an Advocate, i.e. a helper, the thought is blasphemous, and yet so the creeds put it, but man needs a helper, and hence God "has laid help upon one that is mighty," (Psa. 89:19) "mighty to save," (Isa. 63:1) and thus we, "who sometimes were far off, are made nigh in the blood [life] of Christ." (Eph. 2:13, N.V.). Thus we see that the Intercessor, Mediator and Advocate are entirely for man's benefit to help him to God.
Let it be known that Edwards did not know the Father as what "Orthodoxy"
would have people believe. He was and still is a False Teacher. He is Anti Christ!
How can I say this?
Test the spirits (teachings, Doctrines) to see if they are from God.
The words that I (Jesus) speak to you, they are spirit, and they are Life.
3For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Will Christ find faith when He comes again?
Get off your high horse and read his works before you make judgements...
http://www.jonathanedwards.com/theology.htm
http://www.answers.com/topic/jonathan-edwards
His work on human nature fits the response most folks have shown thus far.
Romans 12:19 (KJV) Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. Ps. 7:11
Quote: (1) Godly anger is God-like anger, it is an expression of the anger which has toward the actions of men. Godly people are angry when God is angry. It is anger which is consistent with the holy and righteous character of God.
(2) Godly anger is legal anger. It is wrath based upon men’s violation of God’s law, and it is anger which is lawfully expressed. The Old Testament Law not only revealed that conduct which was unacceptable to God, making Him angry, but what the consequences of God’s anger would be. Godly anger is not vigilante justice, it is legal justice. Those who hate abortion but express their anger in the burning of abortion clinics (and thereby endangering other lives) are not expressing their anger legally.
(3) Godly anger is not explosive, but is only slowly provoked.
Then the Lord passed by in front of him and proclaimed, “The Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth (Exodus 34:6). Repeatedly, God warned sinful Israel through the prophets before pouring out His wrath on them. God’s anger does not have a hair trigger.
(4) God does not take pleasure in expressing His anger in the judgment of men.
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).
For the LORD will rise up as at Mount Perazin, He will be stirred up as in the valley of Gebeon; To do His task, His unusual task, And to word His work, His extraordinary work (Isaiah 28:21).
(5) Godly anger is always under control. Godly anger does not lose its temper. Ungodly anger is excessive and abusive; godly anger never is. Godly anger is always under the control of the one expressing it, rather than anger taking control of them.
But He, being compassionate, forgave their iniquity, and did not destroy them; And often He restrained His anger, And did not arouse all His wrath (Psalm 78:38).
http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=497
I bet you're a Joel Osteen fan, riiiiiggghhhhhttttt! lol
http://www.jonathanedwards.com/theology.htm
http://www.answers.com/topic/jonathan-edwards
His work on human nature fits the response most folks have shown thus far.
Romans 12:19 (KJV) Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day. Ps. 7:11
Quote: (1) Godly anger is God-like anger, it is an expression of the anger which has toward the actions of men. Godly people are angry when God is angry. It is anger which is consistent with the holy and righteous character of God.
(2) Godly anger is legal anger. It is wrath based upon men’s violation of God’s law, and it is anger which is lawfully expressed. The Old Testament Law not only revealed that conduct which was unacceptable to God, making Him angry, but what the consequences of God’s anger would be. Godly anger is not vigilante justice, it is legal justice. Those who hate abortion but express their anger in the burning of abortion clinics (and thereby endangering other lives) are not expressing their anger legally.
(3) Godly anger is not explosive, but is only slowly provoked.
Then the Lord passed by in front of him and proclaimed, “The Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth (Exodus 34:6). Repeatedly, God warned sinful Israel through the prophets before pouring out His wrath on them. God’s anger does not have a hair trigger.
(4) God does not take pleasure in expressing His anger in the judgment of men.
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9).
For the LORD will rise up as at Mount Perazin, He will be stirred up as in the valley of Gebeon; To do His task, His unusual task, And to word His work, His extraordinary work (Isaiah 28:21).
(5) Godly anger is always under control. Godly anger does not lose its temper. Ungodly anger is excessive and abusive; godly anger never is. Godly anger is always under the control of the one expressing it, rather than anger taking control of them.
But He, being compassionate, forgave their iniquity, and did not destroy them; And often He restrained His anger, And did not arouse all His wrath (Psalm 78:38).
http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=497
I bet you're a Joel Osteen fan, riiiiiggghhhhhttttt! lol
Foolishness - the works and sermons of Jonathan Edwards were greatly responsible for the Great Awakening during the 1700's. You want fruits and tests - go study the Great Awaeningi - but you won't.santamarana said:
Why did I even bother? :-?
Yep - right off the cliff into a pit of darkness.Soma-Sight said:
To many Jonathan Edwards would sound like trash. But then again - when have the many been right anyway? :-?
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2 Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
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santamarana
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JM said:
Actually vengence is properly Judgement.
Psalm 7:11 Youngs literal translation.
11God [is] a righteous judge, And He is not angry at all times.
Quote:
"It is anger which is consistent with the holy and righteous character of God."
The reason He, and you see this to be truth is because The Law works wrath (Judgement)
Rom 4:15
Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh (because of the law), but after the Spirit.(The Law of Christ)
Rom 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
As long as a person is under (Practice) the written letter of the law sin will have dominion over you.
You will never see nor believe that.
The sting of death is sin;(not hell) and the strength of sin is the law.
1st Tim 2:4
4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Jer 55:11
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please (Desire, or will), and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Will Jesus find faith when he returns?
I do not care for Joel Olsteen. He also is a false teacher, and anti-christ
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santamarana
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AVBunyan said:
Johnathan Edwards: Quote
“The view of the misery of the damned will double the ardour of the love and gratitude of the saints of heaven.â€Â
The sight of hell torments will exalt the happiness of the saints forever. . .Can the believing father in Heaven be happy with his unbelieving children in Hell. . . I tell you, yea! Such will be his sense of justice that it will increase rather than diminish his bliss.
Does this sound like The fruit of the spirit?
If so you are a fool.
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the works and sermons of Jonathan Edwards were greatly responsible for the Great Awakening during the 1700's.
Ha! Ha!
Do you think that a man's flesh brought God's presence down to the earth?
I am sorry but this is what is so twisted in the minds of people.
God is up there and I am down here!
Where shall you go from Gods presence?
Where did Jesus say the kingdom is?
Is Johnathan Edwards responsible for the (so-called) great awakening?
Or was is it mans carnal flesh reacting to the Kingdom of God within Him?
Just to remind that if you want to stand on a soapbox for versions of the Bible, perhaps you should start another thread....
As for JE, yeah he may have been a positive influence and no, everyone isn't perfect and we all have our sins...
However, I have to question the fruits of someone who seems to delight in preaching about and following a blood thirsty God who loves to torture sinners and uses the devil to do so as well.
Such a horrible picture of God can only come from a skewed belief in God's grace, mercy and love.
"A form of godliness but denying the power thereof"
As for JE, yeah he may have been a positive influence and no, everyone isn't perfect and we all have our sins...
However, I have to question the fruits of someone who seems to delight in preaching about and following a blood thirsty God who loves to torture sinners and uses the devil to do so as well.
Such a horrible picture of God can only come from a skewed belief in God's grace, mercy and love.
"A form of godliness but denying the power thereof"
No understanding
It appears that after reading many of the above posts on Jonathan Edwards that many of you are ignorant of 2 things:
1. The holiness of God.
2. The life of Jonathan Edwards.
And then you sit on judgement of such a man. Amazing - great picture of the blindness of modern apostate "christianity". :-?
Some of you folks speak of Jonathan Edwards like lost people do - wonder why? :-?
It appears that after reading many of the above posts on Jonathan Edwards that many of you are ignorant of 2 things:
1. The holiness of God.
2. The life of Jonathan Edwards.
And then you sit on judgement of such a man. Amazing - great picture of the blindness of modern apostate "christianity". :-?
Some of you folks speak of Jonathan Edwards like lost people do - wonder why? :-?
