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Kingdom Ambassadors

Being fishers of men, are we only supposed to fish for certain types of fish, or does God want us to go for any and all of them? Okay, I’ll be more direct: Should we even try to win the highly educated atheists? I ask because, the way I see it, American Christians are systematically repelling them. How are we doing that, you might ask? We do it when we choose who to support and thus appoint as Kingdom Ambassadors.

To illustrate my point, try to put yourself in the shoes of an atheist in academia. Imagine that you’ve worked very hard for many years to earn your master’s or even doctorate degree. Most of your peers are generally kind, sincere, educated, intelligent and rather sophisticated. They are witty and fun. Some are even downright lovable. You live in a world where it is quite the norm to be certain that religion and belief in God is common among the majority who are less intelligent that you. This explains why you support a one-world socialist government; otherwise these idiots are going to destroy our delicate environment. Somebody needs to ‘lord’ over the planet!

Then, one day, you start to ponder, “Could the Christians be right?†You’re approaching the fence. (Softly and tenderly, Jesus is calling.) You’re curiosity leads you to tune into a Christian channel just to see who these people are, how they think, what they are really like.

If you happen across one of the many preachers which are identified (often self-identified) as a doctor, you’re impressed. You know how much time and dedication goes into earning a PhD. However, it turns out that Dr. Charlatan don’t know about the word “doesn’tâ€, and seems to go out the way to end as many sentences as possible with the word “atâ€. Now, you just want to know what university gives degrees to people who could never have passed your 8th grade English class. Five minutes of googling later, you see that they have an honorary doctorate. Oh Really! To people who’ve actually earned their degrees, honorary doctorates are somewhat like gold medals from the Special Olympics.

Now, even if you are the least arrogant, least condescending, most forgiving atheist at the university, you will notice that Dr. “God don’t care where you been at†has achieved a seemingly high level of ambassadorship by a large Christian following. What does this imply about the audience? And what does this do for your original theory that Christians are generally dorky.

But, you are still willing to forgive all of this, and listen to the message. The preacher is talking about doing your job with professionalism and excellence. But the preacher’s job primarily consists of speaking into a microphone to very large groups of people. It stands to reason that if the preacher would practice what he (or in many cases, SHE) preaches, he’d learn some basic grammar. He couldn’t be doing it on purpose… Even the politians know to use proper English, regardless of the target demographic (with the exception of John Kerry campaigning in an Ohio in 2004, where he purposely said, “can I get me one of them there hunting licensesâ€â€¦ which may have cost him the election.)

The lesson Senator Kerry probably learned is that no one ever appreciates poor grammar. Good grammar is rarely noticed, but poor grammar is noticed negatively by many. When I hear a “don’t†where there should be a “doesn’tâ€, it’s not much different than if the speaker belched into the microphone.

I am a devout Christian, and I certainly don’t want to step on toes (as evidenced by my lack of naming names). But if you are a preacher, then you have a responsibility as an ambassador of the Kingdom of God. When you speak, you’re mind in on parade, and the Kingdom’s creditability is on the line.
 
So what's more important, works in Christ to back up one's Faith, or correct grammar? If an atheist who is educated keys more on grammar instead, might it mean their interest is not really on discovery of truth, but on speaking? A poor hobo, or a little girl seen working for Christ can be just as strong ambassadors for Christ than an educated man. The Apostles our Lord Jesus chose were not all educated, and that should stand as a major clue that preaching The Gospel does not require a university degree. It's a calling from God and guidance by The Holy Spirit that is required.

It's also been revealed of late, that a certain TV ministry network was discovered as a front by the FBI to help discredit true Christian ministries. There's no better source for witnessing Christ to an atheist than directly within God's Word.
 
hi ron, it seems your post is requesting Christians to impress nonbelievers through intelligence and through our degrees, that this will ensure those nonbelievers receive the Word grammatically correct. it seems God doesn't work that way.

1 Cor 1:27but God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put to shame them that are wise; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put to shame the things that are strong;

1 Corinthians 1:21 says - "For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God..."

1 Corinthians 1:19 says - "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."
 
If that's the case, I guess I shouldnt share my testimony then as my grammar is atrocious.
I do believe in education, but that shouldn't and doesnt need to be the requirement for reaching the lost.

It does help dont get me wrong, but sometimes I find that the most uneducated seem to understand the biblical tenets better than those who are educated. :shrug
 
veteran said:
So what's more important, works in Christ to back up one's Faith, or correct grammar? If an atheist who is educated keys more on grammar instead, might it mean their interest is not really on discovery of truth, but on speaking? A poor hobo, or a little girl seen working for Christ can be just as strong ambassadors for Christ than an educated man. The Apostles our Lord Jesus chose were not all educated, and that should stand as a major clue that preaching The Gospel does not require a university degree. It's a calling from God and guidance by The Holy Spirit that is required.

It's also been revealed of late, that a certain TV ministry network was discovered as a front by the FBI to help discredit true Christian ministries. There's no better source for witnessing Christ to an atheist than directly within God's Word.
Exactly which ministry would that be?
 
Grammar aside...too many TV ministries are only in it for the money.
They aren't a good witness on their best days.
 
glorydaz said:
Grammar aside...too many TV ministries are only in it for the money.
They aren't a good witness on their best days.
ahem you mean primarily tbn, they are some tv ministries that aren it for the money, ie greg laurie's and Love worth finding and Charles Stanley.
 
jasoncran said:
glorydaz said:
Grammar aside...too many TV ministries are only in it for the money.
They aren't a good witness on their best days.
ahem you mean primarily tbn, they are some tv ministries that aren it for the money, ie greg laurie's and Love worth finding and Charles Stanley.

I didn't know about them...I've always avoided all of them like the plague.
It's good to hear there are some good ones, though...thanks for pointing that out.
 
jasoncran said:
all those have radio ministries, and well sadly pastor adrian rogers went on to be with the Lord.

Ah yes...radio is something else altogether.

I do listen to some wonderful brothers on radio. :yes
 
Thank you for all of your thoughtful replies. My problem is that I watch only two things on TV: Fox News and preaching (I have Sky Angel). Sometimes I refer to it as the "Bad News and the Good News." (FNC is the bad news, Preaching is the good news). Since my mother taught me to always try to use proper grammar, I can't help but notice MOST poor grammar. Sometimes it's like more of a curse than a blessing. But I do not think less of anyone because of their grammar. However, I have trouble being taught by a teacher who comes across as unqualified. And it seems to me that if your job involves speaking to large audiences, then the most basic fundamental qualification should be to speak proper English. (An auto-mechanic needs to be good with a wrench; A cabby needs to be a good driver; an engineer needs to be good at math... right?)

My wife will be getting good stuff from the message, while I can't get past the guy saying "Don't" where it should be "Doesn't". I'm thinking, "How can this guy not know about the word "Doesn't". I know I am in an extreme minority. In fact, I might be the only one. But if I could ask only one question, here it is: Why does EVERY politian in Washington, regardless of idiology, regardless of the supporting demographic, ... why do they ALL speak proper English? It seems that there should be at least one or two that don't. The worst I can find are those that say "Nucular" instead of "Nuclear".
 
RonOnTheRock said:
Thank you for all of your thoughtful replies. My problem is that I watch only two things on TV: Fox News and preaching (I have Sky Angel). Sometimes I refer to it as the "Bad News and the Good News." (FNC is the bad news, Preaching is the good news). Since my mother taught me to always try to use proper grammar, I can't help but notice MOST poor grammar. Sometimes it's like more of a curse than a blessing. But I do not think less of anyone because of their grammar. However, I have trouble being taught by a teacher who comes across as unqualified. And it seems to me that if your job involves speaking to large audiences, then the most basic fundamental qualification should be to speak proper English. (An auto-mechanic needs to be good with a wrench; A cabby needs to be a good driver; an engineer needs to be good at math... right?)

My wife will be getting good stuff from the message, while I can't get past the guy saying "Don't" where it should be "Doesn't". I'm thinking, "How can this guy not know about the word "Doesn't". I know I am in an extreme minority. In fact, I might be the only one. But if I could ask only one question, here it is: Why does EVERY politian in Washington, regardless of idiology, regardless of the supporting demographic, ... why do they ALL speak proper English? It seems that there should be at least one or two that don't. The worst I can find are those that say "Nucular" instead of "Nuclear".

LOL....You must love us folks out west. We end most sentences with a prepostion. I've been teased about that before. :biglaugh
 
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You are LITERALLY correct. I do indeed love you folks out west. I travel on business to Colorado and California a great deal, and I truly love the people out west.

I'm really not a prude. AND, I have my own grammatical issues. (Lie vs. Lay... no clue)

I think my real problem is that I have issues with certain preachers. Sorry :shrug
 
It's also been revealed of late, that a certain TV ministry network was discovered as a front by the FBI to help discredit true Christian ministries.

Has 'veteran' answered the question about which ministry this is? I've been googling it to no avail.
 
I agre thet pour grammer and speeling is a terible thinge. The trueth is thet I was educitated in a publik schole and I cant help it. I wil probebly never get me into an Ivy Leag schole.

On the other hand, while I simply don't have the brains to get a PHD in an Ivy League school, even if I did, I think there is an exclusiveness about certain liberal schools. It has nothing to do with grammar, and everything to do with my faith. If I had gone to Westminster, Grace, Trinity, or Dallas Seminary, no matter how perfect my spelling and grammar, no matter how many languages I learn, not matter what my academic credentials, I would not be allowed into a PHD program in an Ivy league school.
 
RonOnTheRock said:
It's also been revealed of late, that a certain TV ministry network was discovered as a front by the FBI to help discredit true Christian ministries.

Has 'veteran' answered the question about which ministry this is? I've been googling it to no avail.
As have I and I haven't found anything on it either.
 
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