Know the Lord?

[Edward]

Bravo on your first two posts ezrider. The Bible is for babes. It is veerry good and leads us to where we need to be. This is to Christ Himself as a person. But in fact we are all babes in Christ, so we need the scriptures. Every page of the bible points to Christ however, and we are expected to mature and enter into a relationship with the Lord. To live for the Spirit.

One can read a book about how to meet women. But the book is not a woman. At some point, you have to put it down and go looking for a live Spirit to bond with. The Bible is not God. Don't make it God. It is NOT Christ. It is a textbook for children, babes who need instruction. The carnal mind is at enmity with God. Live for the Spirit. Of course we will make mistakes! It is our nature, we are full of pride. You touched on this:

we measure their beliefs so that we might find fault with them, that we might turn the topic back to a point in the scripture that we might contend with so we can feel in control, and in doing so we discount their faith.

Bingo. Pride. We fall there for our attention has been distracted from the Lord, Jesus Christ. When we stop living for the Spirit and take our eyes and heart from the Lord...we fall. The Lord called King David a man after His own heart. But King David killed a man to get his wife! Wow. What do we learn in that?

David got back up and turned his heart back to the Lord. The Lord's love covers a multitude of sins! (oh, Praise the Lord for that one!!) OT keeps saying, "if my people will turn their hearts back to me..." I bet King David did some reading sfter he messed up! and some praying.

So use your Bible. We ALL need it. We will fall and learn hard. We need this basic instruction. But if you need a Bible to express your faith...you need to ask yourself, Is the Lord in me? He will write His Word upon your heart huh? He IS the WORD. This brings us right to relationship, brothers and sisters. Live for the Spirit. Get to know Jesus intimately. Walk with Him, with He in you, and you in Him. And keep in mind that Prayer is not a monologue, it is a dialogue. Listen.

We are to become as little children to receive this instruction. Why? Because the carnal mind is at enmity with God. Live for the Spirit.

Good thread.

 

[JLB]

There is a scripture that has long been on my mind. It is a familiar passage to many: for they shall beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. In it we are told that all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the Lord our God.

Micah 4:4-6
But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree;
and none shall make them afraid:
for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it.
For all people will walk every one in the name of his god,
and we will walk in the name of the Lord our God for ever and ever.

The scripture says that the Word of God is a sharp two edged sword. When we engage in a debate over scriptures, do you wield the words of the Bible as if it is a sword that you might slay your brother? Or have you laid down your sword, that you might beat it into the plowshare you would use to till the soil in the garden of God and to sow the seed of Faith of your walk in the Kingdom of God?

When I read that every man shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree, I think to myself in simple terms, that I should mind my own business and concentrate on my own walk and instruction from the Lord. I think it is in the book of Romans where Paul said who are you to judge another man’s servant.

When I started writing down my thoughts for this topic, I honestly did not know where it was leading me. But as I continued to think on it for a couple of days, a word kept coming to my mind: Know you the Lord? So I had to go look it up. And though I have read it many times before, it was as if reading it for the first time.

Hebrews 8:10-12
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

This is the new covenant confirmed in the blood Christ that we actively live in. The people of the Lord shall NOT teach every man his neighbor and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord.

Jeremiah 31:27-28
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah
with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them,
to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down,
and to destroy, and to afflict;
so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the Lord.

Jeremiah 31:33-34
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts,
and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the Lord: for they shall all know me,
from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord:
for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

If we are indeed under the new covenant, and by the word of God that we shall no more teach every man his neighbor, saying, know the Lord, then why is it we spend so much time trying to convince others their need to know the Lord? Or that we judge for ourselves whether we think others truly know the Lord? You shall not teach them, and none shall make them afraid, yet the Church tries to win souls to Christ through fear of the punishment for sin.

Jesus said: It is written, man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes out of the mouth of God. Do the words in the Bible account for every word from the mouth of God? The Lord has invited you to come unto his feast and to dine with him. He has given us to eat the bread of life and the fruit of the tree of Life; He has given us of His Spirit. He has given to us so much more than a 2000 year old biscuit to sustain us. The promises are for the here and now, not a future time; but it is up to us the walk therein by Faith.

To your train of thought I would add the following scripture.

27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27


I would like to discuss some of your thoughts with you, in hopes that I might balance what you are saying, once you know that I am not trying to speak against what you are conveying, but rather "balance" what you are saying.

For we are called to walk, not looking to the right hand, nor to the left...


JLB

 

[JLB]

Bravo on your first two posts ezrider. The Bible is for babes. It is veerry good and leads us to where we need to be. This is to Christ Himself as a person. But in fact we are all babes in Christ, so we need the scriptures. Every page of the bible points to Christ however, and we are expected to mature and enter into a relationship with the Lord. To live for the Spirit.

One can read a book about how to meet women. But the book is not a woman. At some point, you have to put it down and go looking for a live Spirit to bond with. The Bible is not God. Don't make it God. It is NOT Christ. It is a textbook for children, babes who need instruction. The carnal mind is at enmity with God. Live for the Spirit. Of course we will make mistakes! It is our nature, we are full of pride. You touched on this:



Bingo. Pride. We fall there for our attention has been distracted from the Lord, Jesus Christ. When we stop living for the Spirit and take our eyes and heart from the Lord...we fall. The Lord called King David a man after His own heart. But King David killed a man to get his wife! Wow. What do we learn in that?

David got back up and turned his heart back to the Lord. The Lord's love covers a multitude of sins! (oh, Praise the Lord for that one!!) OT keeps saying, "if my people will turn their hearts back to me..." I bet King David did some reading sfter he messed up! and some praying.

So use your Bible. We ALL need it. We will fall and learn hard. We need this basic instruction. But if you need a Bible to express your faith...you need to ask yourself, Is the Lord in me? He will write His Word upon your heart huh? He IS the WORD. This brings us right to relationship, brothers and sisters. Live for the Spirit. Get to know Jesus intimately. Walk with Him, with He in you, and you in Him. And keep in mind that Prayer is not a monologue, it is a dialogue. Listen.

We are to become as little children to receive this instruction. Why? Because the carnal mind is at enmity with God. Live for the Spirit.

Good thread.

And to your thoughts I will add -

39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. 40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life. John 5:39-40


JLB

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

while in 'agreement' , there is also often a reference to the disciples proving from the Tanakh Yeshua is Messiah >
Acts 18:28 (CJB) | In Context | Whole Chapter
28 for he powerfully and conclusively refuted the unbelieving Jews in public, demonstrating by the Tanakh that Yeshua is the Messiah.
etc etc etc
and/but/ not in the way the scribes or the pharisees did or would do. (with hypocrisy Jesus warned about).

but rather and wodnerflully by grace > > (I saw that! ) > the lives of the believers were in agreement with, lined up with all of Scripture (and they basically had the Tanakh, no "New Testament" yet.... ),
and Jesus always quoted the O.T. when He quoted Scripture. (It is SO VALUABLE! YES ! ) .

so , yes, knowing the Scripture does not mean knowing ABBA nor knowing Yeshua,
but knowing ABBA and Yeshua leads to devouring and loving and rejoicing in all Scripture ! YES !

 

[JLB]

while in 'agreement' , there is also often a reference to the disciples proving from the Tanakh Yeshua is Messiah >
Acts 18:28 (CJB) | In Context | Whole Chapter
28 for he powerfully and conclusively refuted the unbelieving Jews in public, demonstrating by the Tanakh that Yeshua is the Messiah.
etc etc etc
and/but/ not in the way the scribes or the pharisees did or would do. (with hypocrisy Jesus warned about).

but rather and wodnerflully by grace > > (I saw that! ) > the lives of the believers were in agreement with, lined up with all of Scripture (and they basically had the Tanakh, no "New Testament" yet.... ),
and Jesus always quoted the O.T. when He quoted Scripture. (It is SO VALUABLE! YES ! ) .

so , yes, knowing the Scripture does not mean knowing ABBA nor knowing Yeshua,
but knowing ABBA and Yeshua leads to devouring and loving and rejoicing in all Scripture ! YES !

Well said!


JLB

 

[agua.]

One can read a book about how to meet women. But the book is not a woman. At some point, you have to put it down and go looking for a live Spirit to bond with.

Stop insulting my woman Ed

 

[ezrider]

Bravo on your first two posts ezrider. The Bible is for babes. It is veerry good and leads us to where we need to be. This is to Christ Himself as a person. But in fact we are all babes in Christ, so we need the scriptures. Every page of the bible points to Christ however, and we are expected to mature and enter into a relationship with the Lord. To live for the Spirit.

One can read a book about how to meet women. But the book is not a woman. At some point, you have to put it down and go looking for a live Spirit to bond with. The Bible is not God. Don't make it God. It is NOT Christ. It is a textbook for children, babes who need instruction. The carnal mind is at enmity with God. Live for the Spirit. Of course we will make mistakes! It is our nature, we are full of pride. You touched on this:



Bingo. Pride. We fall there for our attention has been distracted from the Lord, Jesus Christ. When we stop living for the Spirit and take our eyes and heart from the Lord...we fall. The Lord called King David a man after His own heart. But King David killed a man to get his wife! Wow. What do we learn in that?

David got back up and turned his heart back to the Lord. The Lord's love covers a multitude of sins! (oh, Praise the Lord for that one!!) OT keeps saying, "if my people will turn their hearts back to me..." I bet King David did some reading sfter he messed up! and some praying.

So use your Bible. We ALL need it. We will fall and learn hard. We need this basic instruction. But if you need a Bible to express your faith...you need to ask yourself, Is the Lord in me? He will write His Word upon your heart huh? He IS the WORD. This brings us right to relationship, brothers and sisters. Live for the Spirit. Get to know Jesus intimately. Walk with Him, with He in you, and you in Him. And keep in mind that Prayer is not a monologue, it is a dialogue. Listen.

We are to become as little children to receive this instruction. Why? Because the carnal mind is at enmity with God. Live for the Spirit.

Good thread.

I have been extremely busy and have not had an opportunity to respond until now, but thank you for your response Edward.

When I look at a porch light, I see a light that is true and steady, and the moths flutter and fly about, because they are naturally drawn to it. It is a light that shines into the darkness, but it does not seek out the darkness. The Spirit of Christ is the light of the world, and as we are created in his image, then we are to become that light in the world in His Spirit. It is a light that shines and does not discriminate, and is borne out in our character. We are asked to be a light in the darkness, not to go about pointing light into dark places; that is the Lord’s job. When you walk in the Spirit by Faith, then the light of your Faith shines forth. But when we are carnally minded and start debating the absolute meaning of a scripture, or that we use the scripture to declare the sins of another, then we are wielding the light of a different nature.

 

[ezrider]

To your train of thought I would add the following scripture.

27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. 1 John 2:27


I would like to discuss some of your thoughts with you, in hopes that I might balance what you are saying, once you know that I am not trying to speak against what you are conveying, but rather "balance" what you are saying.

For we are called to walk, not looking to the right hand, nor to the left...


JLB

As I said in the post before, I've been very busy and unable to respond until now. But if it is permission you are seeking to engage in a discussion, then by all means proceed. I only ask that it remains in context to the thought that we shall not teach one another saying know the Lord, and that we follow the idea set forth in Jeremiah where the Lord said he would no more tear down and destroy, but to plant, to build up and establish. So lets seek to build up and establish our faith as children of the kingdom and not to use scripture for the purposed of tearing down the beliefs of another or trying to prove our beliefs are superior to any one else. I would like to hear your thoughts.

 

[agua.]

As I said in the post before, I've been very busy and unable to respond until now. But if it is permission you are seeking to engage in a discussion, then by all means proceed. I only ask that it remains in context to the thought that we shall not teach one another saying know the Lord, and that we follow the idea set forth in Jeremiah where the Lord said he would no more tear down and destroy, but to plant, to build up and establish. So lets seek to build up and establish our faith as children of the kingdom and not to use scripture for the purposed of tearing down the beliefs of another or trying to prove our beliefs are superior to any one else. I would like to hear your thoughts.

Gday Ezirider, Where do reproof and correction fit in with our use of scripture to furnish us unto good works IYO?

2Ti 3:16-17 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[Lady Terra]

I read the DMV booklet to learn to pass a driving test. Now, I just drive. I don't have to read the book again and again every time I have to go drive a car.

 

[His_nee (Jeff)]

Psalm 1

Amplified Bible (AMP)
Book One
Psalm 1[a]

1 Blessed (happy, fortunate, prosperous, and enviable) is the man who walks and lives not in the counsel of the ungodly [following their advice, their plans and purposes], nor stands [submissive and inactive] in the path where sinners walk, nor sits down [to relax and rest] where the scornful [and the mockers] gather.
2 But his delight and desire are in the law of the Lord, and on His law (the precepts, the instructions, the teachings of God) he habitually meditates (ponders and studies) by day and by night.

4 Not so the wicked [those disobedient and living without God are not so]. But they are like the chaff [worthless, dead, without substance] which the wind drives away.

5 Therefore the wicked [those disobedient and living without God] shall not stand [justified] in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous [those who are upright and in right standing with God].

6 For the Lord knows and is fully acquainted with the way of the righteous, but the way of the ungodly [those living outside God’s will] shall perish (end in ruin and come to nought).

 

[ezrider]

As I said in the post before, I've been very busy and unable to respond until now. But if it is permission you are seeking to engage in a discussion, then by all means proceed. I only ask that it remains in context to the thought that we shall not teach one another saying know the Lord, and that we follow the idea set forth in Jeremiah where the Lord said he would no more tear down and destroy, but to plant, to build up and establish. So lets seek to build up and establish our faith as children of the kingdom and not to use scripture for the purposed of tearing down the beliefs of another or trying to prove our beliefs are superior to any one else. I would like to hear your thoughts.

Gday Ezirider, Where do reproof and correction fit in with our use of scripture to furnish us unto good works IYO?

2Ti 3:16-17 KJV All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: (17) That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

It is kind ironic that you would ask this question and quote this scripture in reference to what I wrote. But had you given much thought to what I have written, you might have understood that what I wrote follows an instruction in righteousness from the scripture.

1 Timothy 1:4-7 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Do not give heed to fables and endless genealogies, or endless debates about doctrines, or questions that minister to more questions, which only lead to confusion and strife. These things are not edifying. But rather the godly edifying which is in faith, this we should do. So lets seek to build up and establish our faith as children of the Kingdom.

 

[ezrider]

[quote="agua., post: 928724, member: 6601”]

After what I have shared above, I truly wonder why you would ask such a question. Have not I quoted scripture? And have I not referenced other scriptures in what I have shared? So I wonder what is your motivation for such a question? Is not the Lord God Almighty the highest of authority?

I asked the question because I'm not sure if you trust your heart above scripture. Do you think scripture holds authority above what your heart tells you ? ie. if something you believe is in opposition to scripture do you reject your heart ? [/quote]

agua., I do not know why you feel the need to ask these kind of questions; but I would politely ask that you refrain from them in the future. How I trust my heart where the Spirit of the Lord dwells and how I apply the authority of the scriptures is not the topic of this thread. You said “I’m not sure if you trust your heart above scripture.” Why is that something you need to know? Are you my Judge? It is enough to believe we each know the Lord, and I can rest in that I trust that we are all in the Lord’s hands; so it is not mine to judge, but to forgive.

 

[agua.]

It is kind ironic that you would ask this question and quote this scripture in reference to what I wrote. But had you given much thought to what I have written, you might have understood that what I wrote follows an instruction in righteousness from the scripture.

1 Timothy 1:4-7 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Do not give heed to fables and endless genealogies, or endless debates about doctrines, or questions that minister to more questions, which only lead to confusion and strife. These things are not edifying. But rather the godly edifying which is in faith, this we should do. So lets seek to build up and establish our faith as children of the Kingdom.

Can you show me where this scripture says " Do not give heed to endless debates about doctrines" Ezirider ?

1Ti 4:6-7 KJV If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. (7) But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness.

I'd like to know in your opinion what part scripture plays in sound doctrine and reproof, correction and instruction of believers ?

 

[ezrider]

Maybe you could think about sharing your thoughts about what I have shared. What are the thoughts that come to your mind when you read Micah 4, Jeremiah 31, and Hebrews 8? Does the word of the Lord saying that you shall not teach your brother, saying, Know the Lord give you any reason for self reflection? Or is there something you might share to help shed more light on this matter?

I'm not sure what you mean Ezirider can you post the scriptures you want me to examine and what you want me to comment on specifically about them ?

This is what causes me to question your motivations agua.. I ask myself if you have even bothered to read through the first two posts, or the post that you quoted. The answer should be glaringly obvious.

If you wish to comment specifically on something I have written, then please do so, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts. But if you continue to ask questions about what I may or may not believe that are not directly related to what I have written, then you will be waisting your time because I will not respond to them.

 

[agua.]

[quote="agua., post: 928724, member: 6601”]



agua., I do not know why you feel the need to ask these kind of questions; but I would politely ask that you refrain from them in the future. How I trust my heart where the Spirit of the Lord dwells and how I apply the authority of the scriptures is not the topic of this thread. You said “I’m not sure if you trust your heart above scripture.” Why is that something you need to know? Are you my Judge? It is enough to believe we each know the Lord, and I can rest in that I trust that we are all in the Lord’s hands; so it is not mine to judge, but to forgive.

Sure Ezirider but sometimes we can present ideas that conflict with scripture so I ask if you trust scripture above your heart. Do you ?

Knowing the Lord also requires that we don't compromise scripture imo which is why Paul said it was good for reproof and instruction in righteousness. Do you agree ?

 

[agua.]

This is what causes me to question your motivations agua.. I ask myself if you have even bothered to read through the first two posts, or the post that you quoted. The answer should be glaringly obvious.

If you wish to comment specifically on something I have written, then please do so, I would be interested in hearing your thoughts. But if you continue to ask questions about what I may or may not believe that are not directly related to what I have written, then you will be waisting your time because I will not respond to them.

Oky doky Ezirider no worries. I'm accustomed to you not responding to questions which get to the heart of the reliability of scripture. But it's your choice to reply or not.

 

[ezrider]

Sure Ezirider but sometimes we can present ideas that conflict with scripture so I ask if you trust scripture above your heart. Do you ?

Knowing the Lord also requires that we don't compromise scripture imo which is why Paul said it was good for reproof and instruction in righteousness. Do you agree ?

I will entertain this thought no further than this. But if you must know so that you may walk wiser in your faith, then my answer would be no, I do not trust the scripture above my heart. I trust in the Lord above my heart. I have learned through my experiences that when I trusted to my own will to learn and understand the scriptures, by my own will the scriptures deceived me, and I learned and believed many false doctrines, and I trusted in my own knowledge. But when the Spirit of Christ was arisen in my heart, I have learned to trust in the Lord to instruct my heart and mind, and I have learned to walk in Faith. If what the Spirit has caused me to understand in my heart and in my mind is confirmed by the scriptures, then it builds onto my Faith. But to trust in my own understanding of the scriptures out of the desires of the flesh has deceived me before: And so I choose to trust in the Lord.

 

[agua.]

I will entertain this thought no further than this. But if you must know so that you may walk wiser in your faith, then my answer would be no, I do not trust the scripture above my heart. I trust in the Lord above my heart. I have learned through my experiences that when I trusted to my own will to learn and understand the scriptures, by my own will the scriptures deceived me, and I learned and believed many false doctrines, and I trusted in my own knowledge. But when the Spirit of Christ was arisen in my heart, I have learned to trust in the Lord to instruct my heart and mind, and I have learned to walk in Faith. If what the Spirit has caused me to understand in my heart and in my mind is confirmed by the scriptures, then it builds onto my Faith. But to trust in my own understanding of the scriptures out of the desires of the flesh has deceived me before: And so I choose to trust in the Lord.

Oky doky Ezirider. I have another question but since you've indicated you don't want to entertain this anymore I'll resist :D If you do present something that is contradictory to scripture I will likely point it out though if I see it. Otherwise people could just willy nilly say anything and claim Yahweh has placed it in their heart eh.

 

[Obadiah]

A somewhat humorous short video I saw the other day on You Tube that kind of talks about this idea of God speaking to us and whether it's real or not: