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I don't think we have anything incorrect. But marriage is a concept that changes with cultural evolution, and thus it's just not something "universal".
I can see how proponents of same sex marriage or polygamy would use this as an argumentation against conservative Christians who consider their own ideal of marriage as some sort of universal truth. Basically they are right, the Bible accepts a variety of things as marriage, some of which sound insane for modern days western people (e.g. "marrying" female prisoner of war who are most likely not consenting).

Having more than one wife at the same time.
 
The Mormans in Utah think they are very happy in their marriage? I guess it all depends on the mind set of the individual involved.

Ah, great example of some who claim to be "Christians" practicing an incorrect marriage custom. Mind you, this practice is only some Mormons, and not all. However, the practice is still wrong.


This is how sin works. Polygamy takes the correct, God given picture of marriage and then accepts that this concept can be modified. In polygamy, a Man asks the question, why must I be joined only to one woman? He has enjoyed the blessing of marriage so much that he wants to claim a blessing that is not clearly intended for him. In taking another wife, he is taking what he has joined to his first wife and given it to another. In a sense, he has stolen the unity he gave to her when they married. Law broken. In the odd situation where the first wife consents, this still is not a true marriage, because both wive may have sought to be one with the man, but they cannot be one with each other. Again, the correct picture of marriage, requires that those in the bond become one. There is no scenario where all three persons can become one together.

Now, there are no doubt some polygamist families that live in relative harmony, but that does not change the fact that they are rebelling against God and his intended plan for marriage. Polygamy is not the only instance in life where people can become accepting of clear sin. Just look at the much of the modern culture and abortion to observe the acceptance of clear sin.
 
Not all Mormons believe in Polygamy.
True but, I it was the example I know about in the US. Where men have more than one wife. In the near future we will see all sorts of variations of couples now, there are same sex marriages. I wonder of groups of men or women will claim to be married?
 
True but, I it was the example I know about in the US. Where men have more than one wife. In the near future we will see all sorts of variations of couples now, there are same sex marriages. I wonder of groups of men or women will claim to be married?
Alot of horrible things are in store for this world.
 
yes, and all manner of torah that are from god. torah was given to us from jesus.

So when you say Torah you are referring to Laws in the first five books.
It can be confusing for people because the first five books are not all about laws and yet are called the Torah.
 
So when you say Torah you are referring to Laws in the first five books.
It can be confusing for people because the first five books are not all about laws and yet are called the Torah.
all torah, torah is Hebrew for instructions.

the torah given by jesus is "if ye love me follow my commandments, by this ye shall know ye are my disciple if ye love one another"
 
Anyway, doesn't the Bible tell us that King Salomo's three digit number of wives was a sign of how blessed he was?

I think it was over 700 wives that he had. In a way I can kind of see it as a blessing, sort've, in a way, loosely speaking, maybe...:screwloose2:lol

I don't think i could do that. One at a time is plenty thank you.
 
I think it was over 700 wives that he had. In a way I can kind of see it as a blessing, sort've, in a way, loosely speaking, maybe...:screwloose2:lol

I don't think i could do that. One at a time is plenty thank you.
That must be one tired man :lol
 
I think it was over 700 wives that he had. In a way I can kind of see it as a blessing, sort've, in a way, loosely speaking, maybe...:screwloose2:lol

I don't think i could do that. One at a time is plenty thank you.

"Anyway, doesn't the Bible tell us that King Salomo's three digit number of wives was a sign of how blessed he was?"

I don't know who said this but I don't think that the Bible says it was a sign he was blessed? I could be wrong, where is that? Unless it's talking about wealth enabled him to do that?

He committed sin when he took all these foreign wives from pagan nations.
 
"Anyway, doesn't the Bible tell us that King Salomo's three digit number of wives was a sign of how blessed he was?"

I don't know who said this but I don't think that the Bible says it was a sign he was blessed? I could be wrong, where is that? Unless it's talking about wealth enabled him to do that?

He committed sin when he took all these foreign wives from pagan nations.
I think King Solomon did some bad things and turned alway from God.
 
King Solomon was ruling under the Law of Moses, which pretty clearly describes how kings are to avoid the temptations of the world in order to stay faithful to God. Multiplying his wives made Solomon subject to those temptations in at least two ways...sexual lust; temptations of the flesh, and lust for power; marriage treaties brought new territories and wealth to Solomon's control.

Deuteronomy 17
14 When thou art come unto the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, and shalt possess it, and shalt dwell therein, and shalt say, I will set a king over me, like as all the nations that are about me;
15 Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the Lord thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.
16 But he shall not multiply horses to himself, nor cause the people to return to Egypt, to the end that he should multiply horses: forasmuch as the Lord hath said unto you, Ye shall henceforth return no more that way.
17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.
18 And it shall be, when he sitteth upon the throne of his kingdom, that he shall write him a copy of this law in a book out of that which is before the priests the Levites:
19 And it shall be with him, and he shall read therein all the days of his life: that he may learn to fear the Lord his God, to keep all the words of this law and these statutes, to do them: 20 That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren, and that he turn not aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left: to the end that he may prolong his days in his kingdom, he, and his children, in the midst of Israel.
 
In the discussion on the topic of marriage, I think there is something very important that should be recognized, or at least considered in the discussion. When Christians speak about the marriage between one man and one women, they tend to do so as is pertains to our relationships in the flesh, and then some go further to try and make it a law after the flesh that all must abide by. But I have always understood from Paul's writings that the idea that two shall become one flesh was to symbolize the mystery of the Christ and his church, the body of Christ. The marriage of the Spirit. The spirit of man and the Spirit of Christ, and the two shall become one flesh, a new and living creature after the image of Christ.

What does it say about a persons spiritual walk in Christ when they continually look after the things of the flesh?
 
In the discussion on the topic of marriage, I think there is something very important that should be recognized, or at least considered in the discussion. When Christians speak about the marriage between one man and one women, they tend to do so as is pertains to our relationships in the flesh, and then some go further to try and make it a law after the flesh that all must abide by. But I have always understood from Paul's writings that the idea that two shall become one flesh was to symbolize the mystery of the Christ and his church, the body of Christ. The marriage of the Spirit. The spirit of man and the Spirit of Christ, and the two shall become one flesh, a new and living creature after the image of Christ.

What does it say about a persons spiritual walk in Christ when they continually look after the things of the flesh?
So the the importance of not having sex before marriage is very important in God's eyes."that two shall become one flesh".
 
In the discussion on the topic of marriage, I think there is something very important that should be recognized, or at least considered in the discussion. When Christians speak about the marriage between one man and one women, they tend to do so as is pertains to our relationships in the flesh, and then some go further to try and make it a law after the flesh that all must abide by. But I have always understood from Paul's writings that the idea that two shall become one flesh was to symbolize the mystery of the Christ and his church, the body of Christ. The marriage of the Spirit. The spirit of man and the Spirit of Christ, and the two shall become one flesh, a new and living creature after the image of Christ.

What does it say about a persons spiritual walk in Christ when they continually look after the things of the flesh?

I agree. Paul was always stressing the idea of peace in the Body of Christ rather than strife, that peace that comes by being one in Christ and adhering to the description of a Godly marriage. Each one doing their part to achieve this goal of peace and love, in Christ.
 
"Anyway, doesn't the Bible tell us that King Salomo's three digit number of wives was a sign of how blessed he was?"

I don't know who said this but I don't think that the Bible says it was a sign he was blessed? I could be wrong, where is that? Unless it's talking about wealth enabled him to do that?

He committed sin when he took all these foreign wives from pagan nations.

Yeah, what's up with that? I thought Solomon was so wise...and he took 700 wives? Something does not compute there.
Although I do remember that he asked for an understanding heart with which he could be a good ruler, so maybe his wisdom did not encompass the aspects of marriage. I don't really know, I'm reaching here, and I certainly mean no disrespect to Solomon, but still...wow.l
 
Yeah, what's up with that? I thought Solomon was so wise...and he took 700 wives? Something does not compute there.
Although I do remember that he asked for an understanding heart with which he could be a good ruler, so maybe his wisdom did not encompass the aspects of marriage. I don't really know, I'm reaching here, and I certainly mean no disrespect to Solomon, but still...wow.l

Personally I think his desire for power got away from him. Did you read Mike's post.
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