Meteors Are Being Reported All Over the World, The Powers of Heaven Are Being Shaken, the Return of Yeshua is At Hand

[ratoncillopaisa1986]

Aside from severe heat all over the world and droughts all over the world and severe pandemic all over the world and the beginnings of food shortages all over the world, reports of meteors are now emerging all over the world also. In Europe and in the USA and in Colombia. The powers of heaven are being shaken. As it is written, "there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity. People fainting with fear and with expectation of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory". Luke 21:25-27. And many in the world are perplexed and worried seeing all these terrible things converging and happening all at once all over the world, and many are afraid something extremely terrible is about to happen. All these are signs of the end. Something extremely terrible is indeed about to happen, the return of Yeshua, which will bring death and destruction upon the entire world. Only those who believed and prepared and obeyed beforehand will be saved.

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[Davos]

There have always been meteors, some a lot bibber than that.

 

[TheDeafMan]

All these are signs of the end. Something extremely terrible is indeed about to happen, the return of Yeshua, which will bring death and destruction upon the entire world. Only those who believed and prepared and obeyed beforehand will be saved.

Complete nonsense and total mis-understanding of end time scriptures. All of these things, including the weather issues worldwide including floods, famines, etc. are signs of the yet to come Tribulation. True Christians will not be here when the actual tribulation begins. When it begins, it'll be abundantly clear to everyone. And salvation does not depend on being prepared or obedience. Salvation depends totally, totally, totally on belief/acceptance of Jesus as one's savior.

I gotta say, I know I'm a newbie here, but that doesn't mean I'm a new Christian. There is so much utter, well, untruthful teaching and speculation and fanciful nonsense on this site that I'm surprised that the leaders don't set some biblical standards for posting. Note to administrators, my opinion only but, you need to stop every nut case with a theory and an out of context scripture and stop letting this site become a haven for every semi-literate, semi-logical, semi-christian out there. I suppose there is a case for letting everyone have a forum in the hope that some will find the truth but, frankly, I think it would be better to just showcase the truth, salvation in Jesus alone, truth in the Bible alone, pay no attention to news hysteria and useless theories. I'm afraid that some day there will be a thread on people having 'rapture dreams' or other crappolla.

 

[Davos]

The Irvingites taught that the rapture would be in 1260 days from January 14th 1932, so on July 14th 1935 they gathered together. That was the group that had recently been the first to teach dispensationalism. So much for that doctrine.

Dispensationalism came about because Edward Irving first preached it on Christmas Day 1825, (Morning Watch Magazine of Irving.) available on Google play. It was then 'confirmed' by at least three of his "prophets" one of whom later exited the movement and accused himself of delusion.

 

[TheDeafMan]

While certain aspects of dispensational theology have been present throughout church history, the system of dispensational theology was not formalized until John Nelson Darby began teaching it in the mid-1800s. Dispensational theology first became popular in the days of Cyrus Scofield with the publication of the Scofield Reference Bible in the early 1900s.

The better part of wisdom says that, if someone is the first person in 2,000 years of church history to think of something, it should be seriously questioned. After all, if it is a true and important doctrine, surely God would have revealed it to someone much earlier in church history. What are the implications of this principle for dispensational theology? Should dispensational theology be rejected because it is new?

There are two key points to consider. First, while a new doctrine should be viewed skeptically, newness alone is not a sufficient reason for rejection. Every system of theology was new when it was first understood and organized. The only true test of a doctrine is whether or not it is biblical. Is it taught in the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16–17)? Does it contradict any clear teaching of Scripture (Psalm 119:160; John 17:17)? Agreement with the Word of God is the only foolproof standard by which to evaluate a doctrine. Dispensational theology should stand or fall by comparing it with Scripture. Its newness should not be the determining factor in its evaluation.

Second, while dispensational theology as an organized system is new, the concepts that comprise dispensational theology are not. The teaching of a literal millennial kingdom can be found as early as “The Shepherd of Hermas,” written in the middle of the second century AD. Belief in there being a distinction between Israel and the church in God’s program for the ages did not become prominent until Israel became a nation again in 1948. After all, how can there be a distinction between Israel and the church if there is no such thing as Israel? But, even with that in mind, there were believers who rejected the idea that the church replaced Israel prior to Israel’s becoming a nation again.

The only significant aspect of dispensational theology that has little to no support in church history is the concept of the pretribulational rapture. While some see hints of a belief in a pretibulational rapture in “The Shepherd of Hermas,” there definitely was no one explicitly advocating the concept until the 1800s. This fact should cause all Bible interpreters, whether dispensational or non-dispensational, to examine the issue closely. But, again, the relative newness of a particular teaching is not the core issue. The question always has to be, is it biblical?

If dispensational theology is true, why did God wait so long before revealing it? Perhaps God wanted other more important doctrines to be developed first. Perhaps God chose to reveal dispensational theology in recent centuries due to the fact that the end times are approaching. The “why” cannot be explicitly answered, biblically. The key point is this—dispensational theology as a whole, and each of its core doctrines, should be evaluated using Scripture. It should be accepted or rejected based on whether or not it is in agreement with the Word of God.

 

[for_his_glory]

I believe we are in the beginning of sorrows as Jesus spoke of this in Matthew 24:1-8, but I don't think the first trump has sounded yet, but is getting closer, but only in God's timing that will send His mighty wrath being poured out into the world as His long suffering and patience is wearing very thin.

Nut shell scenario of what will happen during the first six trumpets of Rev Chapters 8-11 that leads up to the seventh trumpet and the 3 1/2 years events of Chapter 13 with the beast out of the sea and out of the earth that will cause all to take the mark of this beast or die a martyr's death for the sake of Christ.

God’s wrath is poured out into the world as chastisements for disobedience, but also a warning that man needs to repent and turn back to God before the door of salvation is closed forever when Christ returns.

Hail and fire can be likened unto meteors that fall from the sky. A third of the trees and all the green grass are burned up which makes a third part of the world with a shortage of oxygen in the air that is created from the carbon dioxide from the trees and living plants. Seeing that this is Global the intense fire and smoke from all the trees and grass burning can travel for miles causing much more damage throughout the nations. The trees that produce various healthy foods for our wellbeing will become scarce. The green grasses that would probably include crops of wheat, barley, corn and so forth will be destroyed causing a shortage in food. The animals we depend on as a food source will also die as they are left without vegetation they need to live on.

This great mountain burning with fire could be a large asteroid as the third part of the sea is destroyed along with sea life and the third part of the ships that sit in it. The third part of the sea turned to blood by reason of all the animal life that is killed and those men, women and children who are on these ships that are destroyed. Take into consideration the disease that would spread from all the rotted sea life that is rotting away washing up on the shore and the flesh of those who were burned along with the ships.

These ships will more than likely be types of fuel tankers, merchant, fishing and luxury cruises ships traveling the waters. With the third of these ships being destroyed means a third part of the world’s fuel and food supply would be destroyed. There is only one ocean, but divided by four regions as being the Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean, Arctic Ocean, and the Indian Ocean. This would be like the four corners of the earth as being North, South, East and West. The only difference between the ocean and the sea is that the ocean is much larger and feeds into the 108 seas around the world that also flow into our lakes and streams that provide us with fresh drinking water and other sources of food.

With the third part of the sun, moon and stars being darkened this will affect mans source of electricity and heat that is vital to keep a certain degree of the earth warm, and generated power in homes, hospitals and manufacturing plants including nuclear reactors.

Agriculture and navigation would be hard pressed as it takes the solar power from the sun to run the solar cells that produces the energy needed to run farming machinery and trucks to take the produce to manufacturing plants where the produce is then distributed to market.

Vehicles such as cars, ambulances, planes, trains and the list goes on need an energy source from the sun in order to run their engines. The darkness of the third part of the day would be roughly around eight hours of daylight being lost and total darkness of night as the moon and stars are illuminated by the sun at night. A flashlight would be useless to see in the dark as it needs energy from the sun to run the battery that turns the light on.

This much darkness would cause people to panic in the streets creating chaos as the love of many will wax cold, Matthew 24:12. Riots would break out causing looting and lose of life as those who have not will do anything in desperation to take from those who have much. IMO Marshal law will be enforced as we see history repeat itself with many Christians taken captive that did not flee and killed as they refuse to denounce Christ and take the mark. They will also die a martyr's death, Rev 6:9-11, especially vs. 11. Also we are not to fear what man can do to us, Matthew 10:28.

This is where the mark of the beast comes in during the seventh trumpet as this NWO is a Luciferian system of economics, political, military, educational, environmental and false religious power that gives power to the beast out of the earth being the son of perdition. By lying signs and wonders the beast will deceive the nations (people) into taking its mark. IMO I think the mark is the thoughts of our mind and the actions of our hands reaching out to this beast that promises peace, safety and provision as many will bow down and worship this beast who claims to be God.

After the 3 1/2 years of this Luciferian reign on earth that will try and wear out the saints, Daniel 7:25, then every eye will see Christ coming in the clouds with His army of angels that are then sent out to gather those saints who are alive at His coming and those who sleep in their graves, Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19:11-21. We are gathered up to the clouds as we receive our new glorified bodies in order to meet Jesus in the air. From the air He destroys the beast and false prophet by the brightness of His coming only speaking their destruction casting them into the lake of fire. Satan is bound for a time as Jesus sets out to destroy all the nations/people that followed after the beast. Satan is then released in a final attempt to destroy the saints as he sends his army out to surround the camp of the saints, but they are consumed by fire and Satan cast into the lake of fire. Then comes God's great white throne judgment and the books are opened and all are judged. Then this present heaven and earth are burned up and made new again and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven where we will be with the Lord forever.

After the 3 1/2 years of this Luciferian reign on earth that will try and wear out the saints, Daniel 7:25, then every eye will see Christ coming in the clouds with His army of angels that are then sent out to gather those saints who are alive at His coming and those who sleep in their graves, Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19:11-21. We are gathered up to the clouds as we receive our new glorified bodies in order to meet Jesus in the air. From the air He destroys the beast and false prophet by the brightness of His coming only speaking their destruction casting them into the lake of fire. Satan is bound for a time as Jesus sets out to destroy all the nations/people that followed after the beast. Satan is then released in a final attempt to destroy the saints as he sends his army out to surround the camp of the saints, but they are consumed by fire and Satan cast into the lake of fire. Then comes God's great white throne judgment and the books are opened and all are judged. Then this present heaven and earth are burned up and made new again and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven where we will be with the Lord forever.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

This all takes place on the last day (no more time after that being the last day when Christ returns) as Christ will smite the nations/people that have become His enemies as He rules judgement over them making the enemy His footstool. Revelation 20:1-8 is the only passage in the entire Bible that the premillennialists have as the basis for the 1000 year reign. Rev 20:4 doesn't speak about a 1000 year reign of Christ it says by the vision John received "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." It's not Christ that reigns 1000 years, but those who were killed for God's sake that reign with Christ 1000 years as 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

Zechariah 14:4 is in relationship to Isaiah 64:1 and 2Peter 3:10 as being the last day when Christ returns and makes an end to all abominations here on earth and all the elements will be burned up

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

[Iconoclast]

None of the signs you mention have to do with the end times.

 

[Davos]

While certain aspects of dispensational theology have been present throughout church history, the system of dispensational theology was not formalized until John Nelson Darby began teaching it in the mid-1800s. Dispensational theology first became popular in the days of Cyrus Scofield with the publication of the Scofield Reference Bible in the early 1900s.

The better part of wisdom says that, if someone is the first person in 2,000 years of church history to think of something, it should be seriously questioned. After all, if it is a true and important doctrine, surely God would have revealed it to someone much earlier in church history. What are the implications of this principle for dispensational theology? Should dispensational theology be rejected because it is new?

There are two key points to consider. First, while a new doctrine should be viewed skeptically, newness alone is not a sufficient reason for rejection. Every system of theology was new when it was first understood and organized. The only true test of a doctrine is whether or not it is biblical. Is it taught in the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16–17)? Does it contradict any clear teaching of Scripture (Psalm 119:160; John 17:17)? Agreement with the Word of God is the only foolproof standard by which to evaluate a doctrine. Dispensational theology should stand or fall by comparing it with Scripture. Its newness should not be the determining factor in its evaluation.

Second, while dispensational theology as an organized system is new, the concepts that comprise dispensational theology are not. The teaching of a literal millennial kingdom can be found as early as “The Shepherd of Hermas,” written in the middle of the second century AD. Belief in there being a distinction between Israel and the church in God’s program for the ages did not become prominent until Israel became a nation again in 1948. After all, how can there be a distinction between Israel and the church if there is no such thing as Israel? But, even with that in mind, there were believers who rejected the idea that the church replaced Israel prior to Israel’s becoming a nation again.

The only significant aspect of dispensational theology that has little to no support in church history is the concept of the pretribulational rapture. While some see hints of a belief in a pretibulational rapture in “The Shepherd of Hermas,” there definitely was no one explicitly advocating the concept until the 1800s. This fact should cause all Bible interpreters, whether dispensational or non-dispensational, to examine the issue closely. But, again, the relative newness of a particular teaching is not the core issue. The question always has to be, is it biblical?

If dispensational theology is true, why did God wait so long before revealing it? Perhaps God wanted other more important doctrines to be developed first. Perhaps God chose to reveal dispensational theology in recent centuries due to the fact that the end times are approaching. The “why” cannot be explicitly answered, biblically. The key point is this—dispensational theology as a whole, and each of its core doctrines, should be evaluated using Scripture. It should be accepted or rejected based on whether or not it is in agreement with the Word of God.

Darby did not invent dispensationalism. He said he didn't formalise dispensationalism till the 1940s. It is said it was first revealed in a prophecy by Mary MacDobald in Scotland in the early 1830s. Darby visited her. But Edward Irving said he first preached dispensationalism Christmas day 1825, and the second time on the same day the following year, Morning Watch magazine.
What everybody misses is that it was supported by Irving's charismatic prophets. These "prophets" also prophecied that the rapture would occur in 1260 days from January 1832. In July 1835 they got together to await the event. Dispensationalism was thus proved false by false prophets.

 

[for_his_glory]

None of the signs you mention have to do with the end times.

Who are you replying to?

 

[for_his_glory]

This thread is not about Dispensationalism nor about the Rapture. Please reply to the OP. Anyone continuing in this line will be banned from the thread and their post deleted.

 

[eddif]

If dispensational theology is true, why did God wait so long before revealing it? Perhaps God wanted other more important doctrines to be developed first. Perhaps God chose to reveal dispensational theology in recent centuries due to the fact that the end times are approaching. The “why” cannot be explicitly answered, biblically. The key point is this—dispensational theology as a whole, and each of its core doctrines, should be evaluated using Scripture. It should be accepted or rejected based on whether or not it is in agreement with the Word of God.

Daniel 12:4 kjv
4. But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Revelation 10:4 kjv
4. And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

I have no total idea why God delays.

Galatians 4:4 kjv
4. But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5. To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Jesus was not killed before time of his crucifixion (he walked through crowd).

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Davos]

While certain aspects of dispensational theology have been present throughout church history, the system of dispensational theology was not formalized until John Nelson Darby began teaching it in the mid-1800s. Dispensational theology first became popular in the days of Cyrus Scofield with the publication of the Scofield Reference Bible in the early 1900s.

The better part of wisdom says that, if someone is the first person in 2,000 years of church history to think of something, it should be seriously questioned. After all, if it is a true and important doctrine, surely God would have revealed it to someone much earlier in church history. What are the implications of this principle for dispensational theology? Should dispensational theology be rejected because it is new?

There are two key points to consider. First, while a new doctrine should be viewed skeptically, newness alone is not a sufficient reason for rejection. Every system of theology was new when it was first understood and organized. The only true test of a doctrine is whether or not it is biblical. Is it taught in the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16–17)? Does it contradict any clear teaching of Scripture (Psalm 119:160; John 17:17)? Agreement with the Word of God is the only foolproof standard by which to evaluate a doctrine. Dispensational theology should stand or fall by comparing it with Scripture. Its newness should not be the determining factor in its evaluation.

Second, while dispensational theology as an organized system is new, the concepts that comprise dispensational theology are not. The teaching of a literal millennial kingdom can be found as early as “The Shepherd of Hermas,” written in the middle of the second century AD. Belief in there being a distinction between Israel and the church in God’s program for the ages did not become prominent until Israel became a nation again in 1948. After all, how can there be a distinction between Israel and the church if there is no such thing as Israel? But, even with that in mind, there were believers who rejected the idea that the church replaced Israel prior to Israel’s becoming a nation again.

The only significant aspect of dispensational theology that has little to no support in church history is the concept of the pretribulational rapture. While some see hints of a belief in a pretibulational rapture in “The Shepherd of Hermas,” there definitely was no one explicitly advocating the concept until the 1800s. This fact should cause all Bible interpreters, whether dispensational or non-dispensational, to examine the issue closely. But, again, the relative newness of a particular teaching is not the core issue. The question always has to be, is it biblical?

If dispensational theology is true, why did God wait so long before revealing it? Perhaps God wanted other more important doctrines to be developed first. Perhaps God chose to reveal dispensational theology in recent centuries due to the fact that the end times are approaching. The “why” cannot be explicitly answered, biblically. The key point is this—dispensational theology as a whole, and each of its core doctrines, should be evaluated using Scripture. It should be accepted or rejected based on whether or not it is in agreement with the Word of God.

The early church were all millenialists, the first who it is claimed to be a-mil was Victorianus, but part of his writing seems to be millennial. His is the first full commentary on Revelation whose writings are still extant. Elliott thought that the a-mil part was inserted by a later hand.

Also those writing before dispensationalism became popular, mentioning dispensations were not dispensationalists, such as Elliott, Grattan Guinness and others who were historicists. They spoke about "this present dispensation."

 

[Iconoclast]

The events of Mt.24 all happened in the first century. Jesus said that there were some living that would not die until they saw these things take place.

 

[eddif]

The events of Mt.24 all happened in the first century. Jesus said that there were some living that would not die until they saw these things take place.

Matthew 24:15 kjv
15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

The example of seeing the things take place is an Old Testament prophet seeing the future. The word at Pentecost is young men see visions and old men dream dreams. That happened at gentile inclusion and the book of Revelation.

I say that and I am not a hard core End Times person. I suppose I see multiple ways to see things happen. As a dream. As a foreshadowing. As an ultimate reality. And, in one sense all these ways can be equal.

It takes a lot of thought and sometimes revelation to decide.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Iconoclast]

Matthew 24:15 kjv
15. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

The example of seeing the things take place is an Old Testament prophet seeing the future. The word at Pentecost is young men see visions and old men dream dreams. That happened at gentile inclusion and the book of Revelation.

I say that and I am not a hard core End Times person. I suppose I see multiple ways to see things happen. As a dream. As a foreshadowing. As an ultimate reality. And, in one sense all these ways can be equal.

It takes a lot of thought and sometimes revelation to decide.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Hello E,
It was not an example of an OT.prophet seeing the future, but rather Jesus speaking to people face to face and telling them what would happen in the near future.

 

[eddif]

Hello E,
It was not an example of an OT.prophet seeing the future, but rather Jesus speaking to people face to face and telling them what would happen in the near future.

Let us look at another scripture.
Acts 8:34 kjv
34. And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?

And another scripture

2 Peter 1:21 kjv
21. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

The speaking of Jesus through men began IMHO:
When the 2nd Adam became a quickening Spirit and Revelation 3:20 happened.
In End Times.

Of course I will listen to your scriptures.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[for_his_glory]

The events of Mt.24 all happened in the first century. Jesus said that there were some living that would not die until they saw these things take place.

If you are speaking about all the events in Matthew 24 has already ready happened, then when did Jesus return as it's all a part of the three questions the disciples asked Him, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

Jesus has not returned yet, son of perdition has not taken His seat in Jerusalem yet, not even the sounding of the seven trumpets have sounded yet so please do enlighten us how you see all of this already happened. Oh, and if all these things have already happened then why are we not living a life eternal within the New Jerusalem.

 

[Iconoclast]

If you are speaking about all the events in Matthew 24 has already ready happened, then when did Jesus return as it's all a part of the three questions the disciples asked Him, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"

Jesus has not returned yet, son of perdition has not taken His seat in Jerusalem yet, not even the sounding of the seven trumpets have sounded yet so please do enlighten us how you see all of this already happened. Oh, and if all these things have already happened then why are we not living a life eternal within the New Jerusalem.

Jesus return was not a physical return, but rather a coming in judgment upon apostate Israel.
The abomination that makes desolate happened as the events leading up to the temple being destroyed have been fulfilled by Nero. Jesus was cut off in the middle of the 70th week of Dan.9 after 3,5 years.
Jesus rules now from the Heavenly Jerusalem and Zion Hebrews12:25-29.
Believers have eternal life right now Jn 5:24 and our citizenship is in Heaven Phil.3:20.
The Kingdom continues to grow worldwide, with Jesus ruling in the midst of His enemies Psalm110

 

[eddif]

Jesus return was not a physical return, but rather a coming in judgment upon apostate Israel.
The abomination that makes desolate happened as the events leading up to the temple being destroyed have been fulfilled by Nero. Jesus was cut off in the middle of the 70th week of Dan.9 after 3,5 years.
Jesus rules now from the Heavenly Jerusalem and Zion Hebrews12:25-29.
Believers have eternal life right now Jn 5:24 and our citizenship is in Heaven Phil.3:20.
The Kingdom continues to grow worldwide, with Jesus ruling in the midst of His enemies Psalm110

See post 13 by Iconoclast
You are quoting another post rather than for_his_glory

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Davos]

The events of Mt.24 all happened in the first century. Jesus said that there were some living that would not die until they saw these things take place.

John was still alive in AD 95. Peter seems to have written his second epistle in AD 66 so they would have seen at least the beginnings of that and no doubt others also.