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More Catholic Scandel In Los Angeles

Lewis

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(AP) Newly released records of sex abuse claims against 126 priests that are at the core of hundreds of lawsuits against the Archdiocese of Los Angeles show that church officials for decades moved accused priests between counseling and new assignments.

Attorneys for 500 alleged victims and the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles had previously agreed to release the information, but lawyers for accused clergy succeeded in blocking publication, arguing it would violate priests' privacy rights. An appellate court last month ordered the documents to be released after nearly three years of legal wrangling.
Read the archdiocese report (.pdf)

The records conform with the pattern of the abuse crisis that erupted in the American church nearly four years ago. In many cases, the church provided years of therapy to accused clergy, believing the men could be rehabilitated, then assigned them to new parishes, which often resulted in new claims against them.

A lawyer for alleged victims of molesting priests says they are "not going to be satisfied" until the Archdiocese of Los Angeles releases all its personnel files.

The church has just released summaries of personnel files on alleged molesters. The records show church officials moved accused priests between counseling and new assignments for decades.

Plaintiffs' lawyer Raymond Boucher says the files offer more details about the church's "knowledge" of  and what he calls their "participation in"  the molestation of children.

Still, the Los Angeles Archdiocese appears to have so far avoided the damaging full disclosure forced on other American dioceses by judges and grand juries.

Church officials late Tuesday released summaries of their personnel records. By comparison, the files a judge unsealed in the Archdiocese of Boston, where the abuse crisis began in early 2002, contained doctors' reports, memos from diocesan officials about meetings with distraught parents and other details that revealed an insensitivity to victims. The documents enraged Catholics and forced Cardinal Bernard Law to resign as Boston archbishop.

Boucher said the newly released information was a first step, but that complete personnel files should be made public.

"The significance of these files is that they provide a little more information for the public about the church's knowledge and frankly their participation in the molestation of children, but until the (entire) files are made public, we're not going to be satisfied," he said.

Archdiocese attorney J. Michael Hennigan called Boucher's concerns that the summaries might be whitewashed "nonsense."

"Ray has not seen the files themselves and has no basis to say that beyond speculation," he said. "These are accurate descriptions of the content of the files, without disclosing confidential communication."

The records cover priests who were ordained as far back as the 1920s. Cardinal Roger Mahony, who has led the archdiocese since 1985, had overseen many of the men. A spokesman for Mahony has repeatedly insisted the cardinal wanted to reveal the information to promote reconciliation with victims, but was barred by confidentiality laws.

David Clohessy, national director of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, accused Mahony of "shameless posturing as some sort of reformer," while he used legal maneuvers to block a full accounting of his role in the crisis.

"Mahony is grasping at straws to convince his flock that he's not as awful as many of his colleagues," Clohessy said. "And as he has for years, Mahony is trying anything he can dream up to avoid having to fully reveal how little he did to safeguard innocent kids from abusive clerics."

The documents offer details in numerous cases, though much of the information has already been published. In many of the files, there was little mention of child molestation. Instead, euphemisms such as "boundary violations" were used to describe the conduct.

One priest, who served as a teacher and administrator at numerous Southern California schools, was convicted of molesting two boys and given probation. The conviction was later expunged from his record. A subsequent report was made in 1994 of "boundary violations," in which he allegedly patted the buttocks of a teenager. He entered alcohol treatment days later and was eventually placed on leave.

Another priest's file shows the archdiocese received repeated complaints that he engaged in "inappropriate sexual conduct with children" beginning in 1959, but that it did not appear to take significant action against him until 1994 when he was relieved of his duties, according to the documents.

Many bishops have said they were misled by therapists to believe that a sexual attraction to young people could be cured. As church officials' understanding of sex abuse deepened, accused priests were generally removed from the ministry altogether, Hennigan said.

The archdiocese, the nation's largest, serves nearly 3.6 million people in 284 parishes. It has posted about 150 pages of summaries from the clergy files on its Web site. extracted from the CBS News, site

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/ ... 6374.shtml
 
Yeah, funny how the media seems obsessed by what goes on with Catholics and not the 10 daily reports of sexual misconduct within protestant churches.
 
Apparently, the 2% of priests who commit these heinous acts are more newsworthy than the 12-15% of conservative Protestant clergy that admit having sex with their parishioners, 40% if one terms it 'inappropriate sexual contact.'

These numbers are no exaggeration. I was a pastoral counselor for 9 years in a community with about 150 Protestant churches, and saw dozens of cases of clergy sexual misconduct. Nearly all were predatory in some respect.

I also was on a team of responders to a sex abuse case in rural Minnesota involving a Catholic priest. It was very typical in profile: A youngish priest targeted an adolescent boy. The boy (age 16) reported the abuse, the priest was removed, and the parish received counseling services for the membership and especially the family. The cost was underwritten by the local diocese. Fortunately, in that situation, the bishop and diocesan leadership were prepared to handle the problem head-on.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: people who get mileage out of this unspeakable act, like those who use it as a hobbyhorse to attack Catholics, these people will burn in the Lake of Fire right alongside the unrepentant abusers.

Keep that in mind, Lewis.
 
Just to add... The Church needs to be responsible, and so do the 'pro's'

This is a small sample from that page. Psychiatry has a grip on the country... and most are blind to it.
http://cchr.com/rape/rban2.htm

A past president of the American Psychiatric Association (APA) and honorary president for life of the World Association for Social Psychiatry, Masserman was a powerful man who abused that power often.

Barbara Noël, who worshipped him and considered herself lucky to have him as her psychiatrist, realized how deep the deception ran when she awoke during a frequent drug-induced sleep administered by Masserman to find him panting loudly as he sexually assaulted her.

Although this was just a step above necrophilia, Masserman convinced Noël that she could get in touch with her "real feelings" by taking sodium amytal (a barbiturate), which ironically had been used in mind control experiments and was found to block memory rather than, as Masserman claimed, enhance it.

Noël became enraged when she finally realized how she had been abused for years by a supposedly "respected" professional. However, with Masserman claiming Noël was "sick" and lying, it took seven long years, court victories by her and two other women who went public after hearing of Noël's case, and even more women breaking their silence before the APA upheld the Illinois Psychiatric Society's decision to suspend Masserman for only five years. And even that suspension was for inappropriate use of drugs, not rape.

Scandalously, Masserman remained as a member of the APA's Board of Trustees.

It is hard to imagine a teacher who molests a young student would ever be allowed to teach again, but apparently a different set of standards exist for psychiatrists.

"I think he is a very sick man who (took) advantage of helpless women," stated a Masserman patient who testified she was drugged with sodium amytal.

Sensationally, the APA did not see fit to punish one of its own, saying the evidence was "unsubstantiated." As if an insurance company would pay more than $350,000 in settlements and Masserman himself would surrender his Illinois medical license voluntarily on the basis of "unsubstantiated" claims by his female victims.

So when is rape not really rape? The real answer is never. Rape is a heinous crime and never anything but rape, no matter how it is "explained" away. However, many psychiatrists believe in some noxious notion that they are above society  and above the law.

In psychiatry, however, rape is rarely rape. Instead, it is euphemistically called "sexual contact," or even "sexual relationships." These are the terms used when one of its members forces himself on a patient, often with the help of drugs or even the brutal practice of electric shock, and commits a rape.


Imagine a trial judge hearing a defense argument that, "It wasn't really rape, more like a case of sexual contact." Worse still, imagine the victim is your daughter, or your sister who went to seek help from a psychiatrist in good faith because she had broken up with her boyfriend, and you would rightly want the book thrown at the rapist. Unfortunately, that is unlikely to happen if he's a psychiatrist, because, dangerously, psychiatric rape is rarely punishable by the justice system that applies to everyone else. If a psychiatrist rapes, in the few cases anyone ever hears about it (studies show only some 4-8 percent of victims ever come forward) 3 it is usually referred to a peer committee that includes other psychiatrists who decide what discipline should be imposed.

Needless to say, when it comes to believing one of their own against a patient, often branded with names like "manic-depressive" or "schizophrenic," it is not hard to see what side they take.
 
It should be noted that there is not "more Catholic Scandal in Los Angeles". These sins of priests are not new ones. It is just a rehash of old ones. The article reports no recent molestations and Church policies have been changed such that there are very few occurances of this type of thing in the last few years.

Blessings
 
A lot of this news is new to the public. Because some of this stuff, was kept on the down low.
 
Lewis W said:
A lot of this news is new to the public. Because some of this stuff, was kept on the down low.

Your kidding rigtht? Kept down low? Tell me, would you like all of your personnell files relased to the public? Should GM release all information they have on their employees, whether guilty or innocent if it is found that 2% of their employees committed a crime? Some of this goes too far. There is nothing that is being raised in this news story that changes anything about what we've already known about this scandal.

By the way, that scandal about Protestant pastors, which is much bigger has really been kept low. I never hear about that on the 6 pm news. Why aren't all these churches that have these problems going to the news and exposing everything to the public? I know of one Protestant pastor who molested three girls and it never made the news. Don't you think the public should know? Why are these Churches hiding these perverts? The elders of the Church should go right to channel 5 with the personel files of all the people in the Church. :x Ya!
 
Yes brother Thess, the public should know about them too. One in New Jersey has just been caught, and one in Pennsylvania about a month ago, made the news big time. The Catholics proclaim, that they are the one and only correct faith, so you all have to take what comes with it. And that is being, watched like a hawk, by the media.
 
Lewis W said:
Yes brother Thess, the public should know about them too. One in New Jersey has just been caught, and one in Pennsylvania about a month ago, made the news big time. The Catholics proclaim, that they are the one and only correct faith, so you all have to take what comes with it. And that is being, watched like a hawk, by the media.

This has nothing to do with correctness of faith and everything to do with the fallen nature of man. It is sad that you cannot make that distinction. So do you think that anyone accused of anything but never convicted should be put on the 6 pm news? Let's just put everyone's personel files on the internet. Maybe their checking account information too. The Public should know if they bounced a check 25 years ago as well.

Blessings
 
No Thess, I think it is a hurting thing, to be put out there like that. It makes life very hard to deal with. But you know something' mankind has been doing this to each other for a very, very long time. And it is not going to stop. And people of the clergy should expect this treatment when they fall into sexual misconduct, that goes for any clergy. But you see many people think or thought that the Catholic church was perfect. That may sound stupid, but a lot of people did. And they are taking all this stuff very, very hard.
 
Lewis W said:
No Thess, I think it is a hurting thing, to be put out there like that. It makes life very hard to deal with. But you know something' mankind has been doing this to each other for a very, very long time. And it is not going to stop. And people of the clergy should expect this treatment when they fall into sexual misconduct, that goes for any clergy. But you see many people think or thought that the Catholic church was perfect. That may sound stupid, but a lot of people did. And they are taking all this stuff very, very hard.

But I thought this was about the victims and about justice for the perpetrators. You have just admitted to us that it is about your wanting to see Catholic priests and the Catholic Church get knocked down a peg or two among the faithful. Not a very pure motive for wanting this exposed I would say.
And Protestants are trying to make hay out of a red herring.
 
First of all, Thess, to me the Catholic church is false, to begin with. That should say a lot right there.
 
Lewis W said:
First of all, Thess, to me the Catholic church is false, to begin with. That should say a lot right there.
Yes, it says you are the proud owner of an opinion. Congratulations.
It also says to me that, since you mention it in the context of this thread, you are biased toward finding fault with the Catholic Church, and are willing to use slander and distortion to make your point.

You're in good company- I've busted several people on this board red-handed presenting falsified evidence against Catholics. While your evidence is, tragically, not falsified, it is nonetheless deceptive in its presentation and highly questionable in its (your) motive.

I find myself in the odd position of defending Catholics and the Catholic Church on this board, simply because so many distortions, falsehoods, slanders, and unsubstantiated attacks are launched against them here. Some of you need to learn to love truth more than YOUR tradition.
 
No I only hold to the truth. The catholic church is a cult faith, all the stuff that is done that is not Biblical, cannot be denied. Most of the Catholics rights, are straight out of Babylon.
 
Lewis W said:
First of all, Thess, to me the Catholic church is false, to begin with. That should say a lot right there.

I can't think of anything off the top of my head. I run in to hundreds of people who try to prove they are right by "proving" the Catholic Church wrong. To date the gates of hell have not prevailed. Keep confirming Jesus words.
 
I suppose it depends on if you trying to make hay out of a herring or not as to whether it is Apolgetic or not. :lol:
 
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