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No One Comes To The Father Except Through Me...

Mike S

Mike S

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Early in his Gospel John tells us

John 1:1-15 KJV
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.


Later John writes the words of Jesus:

John 14:6 KJV
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



Given that our knowledge of Jesus is that He is both fully human and fully divine, how are we to understand verse 14:6? Does the "me" in "no man cometh to the father but by me" refer to Christ the man or Christ the fully divine, Christ the truth, Christ the word, Christ the light of the world, Christ that is and was from the beginning of creation? Is it possible to come to the father only through knowing Jesus the human manifestation of the divine, or is it possible to come to the father by knowing Jesus the "word" through other means...personal revelation, for instance?

 
Mike S said:
Early in his Gospel John tells us

John 1:1-15 KJV
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.


Later John writes the words of Jesus:

John 14:6 KJV
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



Given that our knowledge of Jesus is that He is both fully human and fully divine, how are we to understand verse 14:6? Does the "me" in "no man cometh to the father but by me" refer to Christ the man or Christ the fully divine, Christ the truth, Christ the word, Christ the light of the world, Christ that is and was from the beginning of creation? Is it possible to come to the father only through knowing Jesus the human manifestation of the divine, or is it possible to come to the father by knowing Jesus the "word" through other means...personal revelation, for instance?
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both, see the verses on the definition of the antichrist. you must believe jesus is the son of man and son of God and died on the cross and rose again.
 
Mike S said:
Given that our knowledge of Jesus is that He is both fully human and fully divine, how are we to understand verse 14:6? Does the "me" in "no man cometh to the father but by me" refer to Christ the man or Christ the fully divine, Christ the truth, Christ the word, Christ the light of the world, Christ that is and was from the beginning of creation? Is it possible to come to the father only through knowing Jesus the human manifestation of the divine, or is it possible to come to the father by knowing Jesus the "word" through other means...personal revelation, for instance?
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All of the above? To know Christ is to know all of Him I think. Last week I finished listening to an audio Bible from cover to cover. One of the things that really caught my attention throughout the whole of scripture was how many times God said something like, "So that you will know that I am God" or "So you will know I am the Lord" etc. He used these phrases a lot in reference to His own people Israel. They knew about Him. They knew who He was. But, they kept forgetting and forsaking Him.
 
Mike S said:
Is it possible to come to the father only through knowing Jesus the human manifestation of the divine, or is it possible to come to the father by knowing Jesus the "word" through other means...personal revelation, for instance?
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Romans 10
20 But Isaiah is very bold and says:

“I was found by those who did not seek Me;
I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”

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Gary said:
Romans 10
20 But Isaiah is very bold and says:

“I was found by those who did not seek Me;
I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”

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God's sovereignty is infinite, He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy, and will have compassion for whom He will have compassion. He is not bounded by any constraints we think we find in the Bible.
 
Mike S said:
God's sovereignty is infinite, He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy, and will have compassion for whom He will have compassion. He is not bounded by any constraints we think we find in the Bible.
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:shrug
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WIP said:
All of the above? To know Christ is to know all of Him I think. Last week I finished listening to an audio Bible from cover to cover. One of the things that really caught my attention throughout the whole of scripture was how many times God said something like, "So that you will know that I am God" or "So you will know I am the Lord" etc. He used these phrases a lot in reference to His own people Israel. They knew about Him. They knew who He was. But, they kept forgetting and forsaking Him.
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With a little further irony, let me expound on that thought a little closer to Jesus himself.

The disciples were for the most part a group of common men. They knew the man Jesus very personally. They walked with Him, they ate and drank with Him, and the slept by Him. They witness the miracles that He performed. Yet after he was crucified, when he had risen and appeared before the disciples, they knew him not (Luke 24).

Paul on the other hand, formerly called Saul was a Pharisee. He was an educated man in the law and the prophets. And yet for all of his knowledge of the scriptures, he never saw Jesus for who he was after the manner of a man, and further yet was involved in the stoning of Stephen. And though Paul never new Jesus after the manner of a man, after his Damascus road experience, He knew Christ after the Spirit for who he was, whereas the disciples did not.
 
Mike S said:
God's sovereignty is infinite, He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy, and will have compassion for whom He will have compassion. He is not bounded by any constraints we think we find in the Bible.
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Mike, Gods sovereignty is bound in a sense. He cannot violate or compromise any of His other attributes in the use of His sovereignty. Mercy for example, he cannot arbitrarily have salvation mercy on someone through His sovereignty because He would violate His perfect Justice or perfect righteousness

Psalm 9:8~~.New American Standard Bible
And He will judge the world in righteousness; He will execute judgment for the peoples with equity.
 
Mike S said:
God's sovereignty is infinite, He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy, and will have compassion for whom He will have compassion. He is not bounded by any constraints we think we find in the Bible.
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Never mind post #6. I get it. :)
 
Mike S said:
God's sovereignty is infinite, He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy, and will have compassion for whom He will have compassion. He is not bounded by any constraints we think we find in the Bible.
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Indeed, and God has chosen to have mercy upon all, through Christ.

For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all. Romans 11:32 (NASB)
 
About God:

Job 9:32–35 (AV)
32For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment.
33Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.
34Let him take his rod away from me, and let not his fear terrify me:
35Then would I speak, and not fear him; but it is not so with me.

Prophetically about the yet to come God - Man:

Job 19:23–27 (AV)
23Oh that my words were now written! oh that they were printed in a book!
24That they were graven with an iron pen and lead in the rock for ever!
25For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me.
 
God is invisible, btw.

Colossians 1:15 (AV)
15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

In fact this verse reads to say he (Jesus) is the visible image of the invisible God. And any who have or will see God with their eyes see Jesus for the Father and the Holy Spirit have no physical form.

John 14:7–10 (AV)
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Keep in mind Jesus just told them:

John 12:44–45 (AV)
44Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
45And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

1 John 3:2 (AV)
2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
 
The written word of God says Jesus is the way. The truth. The only way to the Father.
It's simple.............no Jesus no Father..... Know Jesus and Know Father...Have Jesus...Have Father
How much harder do you need to make it ?
 
Mike S said:
Given that our knowledge of Jesus is that He is both fully human and fully divine, how are we to understand verse 14:6? Does the "me" in "no man cometh to the father but by me" refer to Christ the man or Christ the fully divine, Christ the truth, Christ the word, Christ the light of the world, Christ that is and was from the beginning of creation? Is it possible to come to the father only through knowing Jesus the human manifestation of the divine, or is it possible to come to the father by knowing Jesus the "word" through other means...personal revelation, for instance?
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Great question!...to which I would respond "all of the above" :) Getting to this "multiunderstanding", however, may for many, come in steps. There are those who see Christ the man, and gradually understand the Divine Jesus. There are those who get the epiphany of the Divine Jesus who gradually see Christ, the man. There are those who read the Bible, and see the Truth of his teachings, and gradually see the all encompassing Christ - Flesh and Spirit. And, there are those who have the gift of taking it all in at once. Speaking for myself I was a sceptical agnostic for a long time. I was seeking and He revealed himself to me. For me it was Word and moral Truth first - then the Man, then the Divine...in sum The Light of the World.
 
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