Our salvation is in Mary

[LanaPodesta]

Jesus had brothers, also sons of Joseph and Mary. Joseph knew her and they had kids.

nope

 

[onlysaved]

nope

Yup.

Matthew 13.55
"Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?"

Possibly cousins. But this theory didn't come around until 200 years after Christ.

I guess Idolatry can be based on guesses from people who were not there and have no eyewitness testimony to the events.

 

[LanaPodesta]

Yup.

Matthew 13.55
"Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?"

Possibly cousins. But this theory didn't come around until 200 years after Christ.

I guess Idolatry can be based on guesses from people who were not there and have no eyewitness testimony to the events.

Mary was a perpetual virgin so not possible

 

[onlysaved]

Mary was a perpetual virgin so not possible

Mary had children so perpetual virginity not possible and the concept is not in the Bible at all.

 

[LanaPodesta]

Mary had children so perpetual virginity not possible and the concept is not in the Bible at all.

Neither was the internet, yet you're using it

 

[onlysaved]

Neither was the internet, yet you're using it

Im not claiming the internet is an integral part of a relationship with God.

 

[LanaPodesta]

Im not claiming the internet is an integral part of a relationship with God.

Right. So why does everything have to be in the Bible for it to be valid?

 

[onlysaved]

Right. So why does everything have to be in the Bible for it to be valid?

When you're developing you're theology it needs to be in the bible.

 

[LanaPodesta]

When you're developing you're theology it needs to be in the bible.

Why?

 

[onlysaved]

Why?

Because the Bible is the word of God.. The only source of spiritual authority that exists.

 

[LanaPodesta]

Because the Bible is the word of God.. The only source of spiritual authority that exists.

Did God not speak before the Bible? What about after?

 

[onlysaved]

Did God not speak before the Bible? What about after?

We have Gods work from the creation of everything until the end of Earth.
Genesis through Revalation. You do not need any more spiritual truth or authority than that. In fact there is no spiritual authority beyond that.

 

[LanaPodesta]

We have Gods work from the creation of everything until the end of Earth.
Genesis through Revalation. You do not need any more spiritual truth or authority than that. In fact there is no spiritual authority beyond that.

so you don't believe in the Trinity

 

[onlysaved]

so you don't believe in the Trinity

The Trinity is in the Bible. All over it and clear.

 

[LanaPodesta]

The Trinity is in the Bible. All over it and clear.

show me where that word is used

 

[onlysaved]

show me where that word is used

Show me where perpetual virginity is.

Genesis chapter 1.
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

Here you have God the creator and you have The Spirit of God also present. Two Persons of the trinity called by name.
Verse 26. Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

"let Us make man in Our image, in Our likness" clear plurality.

John 1 v1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, He was with God in the beginning.

John 1 v14. "and the Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us and we beheld His glory....."
Who was made flesh and dwealt among us? Jesus, the Son of God.

God the Father, God the Holy Spirit and Jesus the Son of God all three persons of the God head in scripture all at the creation event. Simple and clear.

 

[LanaPodesta]

Show me where perpetual virginity is.

It isn't [in the Bible] explicitly. However Mary is never mentioned to have sex relations nor to bear any children. So even within the context of the Bible (and the doctrine of the Church is extra-Biblical) Mary can assumed to be a perpetual virgin.

God the Father, God the Holy Spirit and Jesus the Son of God all three persons of the God head in scripture all at the creation event. Simple and clear.

The word 'Trinity' is never used. Nor is the doctrine of the Trinity made clear.

Two Persons of the trinity called by name

This is post hoc ergo propter hoc. You assume the Trinity to start off with. From where did you inherit this idea?

God the Father, God the Holy Spirit and Jesus the Son of God all three persons of the God head in scripture all at the creation event. Simple and clear.

Then why doesn't it say that, "simple and clear" at any point in the Bible? Jesus never said "God the Father, God the Holy Spirit and Jesus the Son of God all three persons of the God head".

 

[LanaPodesta]

“Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

This is a lazy argument. Plurality can suggest multiple persons, but it does not necessitate them. In Hebrew, plural self-reference is grammatically and rhetorically permissible without making ontological claims. God can speak plurally while remaining a single divine subject, and nothing in the text forces a hypostatic conclusion.

Genesis 1:26 therefore does not tell us with certainty whether the speaker is God understood without internal distinction or God understood trinitarianly. The text simply does not specify — and that indeterminacy is not a flaw.

The Trinity is biblical, but the doctrine is not explicitly articulated in Scripture. It emerges through the Church’s lived experience, worship, and conciliar reflection. Scripture itself participates in divine mystery rather than dissolving it into propositions.

So the question “Which is it?” misunderstands the nature of revelation. God is not less God for being mysterious — and Scripture is not less authoritative for refusing to function as an instruction manual.

 

[onlysaved]

This is a lazy argument. Plurality can suggest multiple persons, but it does not necessitate them. In Hebrew, plural self-reference is grammatically and rhetorically permissible without making ontological claims. God can speak plurally while remaining a single divine subject, and nothing in the text forces a hypostatic conclusion.

Genesis 1:26 therefore does not tell us with certainty whether the speaker is God understood without internal distinction or God understood trinitarianly. The text simply does not specify — and that indeterminacy is not a flaw.

The Trinity is biblical, but the doctrine is not explicitly articulated in Scripture. It emerges through the Church’s lived experience, worship, and conciliar reflection. Scripture itself participates in divine mystery rather than dissolving it into propositions.

So the question “Which is it?” misunderstands the nature of revelation. God is not less God for being mysterious — and Scripture is not less authoritative for refusing to function as an instruction manual.

OK how about the fact that our creation account says outright that God was at creation, calls Him by name, "Elohim "Says the Holy Spirit was there, calls Him by name "Ruach Elohim"and that according to John Chapter 1 Jesus was there, calls Him by name and mentions no one else.
3 Persons at creation 1 God. I'm sorry it's not mysterious enough for you but it is that simple.

Now, about that perpetual virginity of Mary so prevalent in the bible?

 

[LanaPodesta]

OK how about the fact that our creation account says outright that God was at creation, calls Him by name, "Elohim "Says the Holy Spirit was there, calls Him by name "Ruach Elohim"and that according to John Chapter 1 Jesus was there, calls Him by name and mentions no one else.

What about it? Doesn't refute anything I've said.

3 Persons at creation 1 God. I'm sorry it's not mysterious enough for you but it is that simple.

I agree.

Now, about that perpetual virginity of Mary so prevalent in the bible?

It isn't.