Amen to the first part. To the second part:How are we saved Vic? Through the blood of Christ. No matter which way we define the word elect, the elect need the love of God thru the blood of Christ...both Calvinist and Arminians declare it so. We are saved by the blood of Christ which was shed for many [not all].
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Emphesis is on "whosoever", not a narrow definition of the word "world" like some Calvinists teach. I have heard some say that world may not mean all the world. That's a bit of a stretch if we are to read that literally.
2 Cor 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 Tim 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Honestly, I can't, but the implications seem obvious to me. God allowed HIS Son to be sacrificed for sin, but just the sins of those who were predetermined. Seems like a rather illogical solution for the very logical Almighty to make.Can you show me the writings of a Calvinist that would deny the need for the blood atonement of Christ?
This has been brought up numerous times. That has been my agrument all the while. When I point to the solution, it goes mostly ignored. Romans 2 with emphesis on Romans 2:14-16Did Christ die for all then not supply a way for all to hear the Gospel? There are millions of people who have died that have never had the chance to hear the Gospel.
I asked, "On what basis are these few chosen?" I don't understand how this answers my question. Maybe I just don't understand what you are tryomg to convey. I was sure you'd say, " Foreknowledge". I would have agreed with that.Simple. The justification of the elect is grounded in the death of Christ. Ã¢â‚¬Å“Historically Ã¢â‚¬â€ in time Ã¢â‚¬â€ on the cross at the atonement Christ was atoning for us. He propitiated. Romans 3:25, Ã¢â‚¬Å“[Jesus] whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation.Ã¢â‚¬Â Christ took away the indictment; it was nailed to the cross.Ã¢â‚¬Â Vic, thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d be like saying why do we need to vote when the powers that be are ordained [Romans 13:1 ], or why do we need to pray when God already knows what we need [Matthew 6:8 ], or why do we try to eat and remain healthy when the day of our death is already appointed [Hebrews 9:27 ]!
Agreed.The preaching of the Gospel is GodÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s plan to fulfill His decree. When you share the Gospel Vic are you hoping to save that person or that God will save that person?
I have no power whatsoever to save anyone. I am just a tool in which God uses to spread HIS Good News. I pray that those who hear, bear the fruit of the seed God asked me to sow. I pray none would reject HIS word.
Jason, I did some reading tonight and would like to share some of what I read. I don't want to disrupt this thred, so I will start a new one. I'd "love" for you to chime in. I also have a commentary from Clarke on the Potter analogy I'd like to share. My notes are at work, I will post it tomorrow.