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Pre-Millennialism?
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TrevorL
wondering
JLB
I've found a number of verses and passages that confuse me about this teaching. One of the most recent is Philippians 1:6, 10. From everything I've ever seen in the Bible, the Day of Christ is the last day of the world when Christ returns for the 2nd Advent.
These passages and many others seem to imply no thousand years after Jesus returns.
wondering
JLB
I've found a number of verses and passages that confuse me about this teaching. One of the most recent is Philippians 1:6, 10. From everything I've ever seen in the Bible, the Day of Christ is the last day of the world when Christ returns for the 2nd Advent.
These passages and many others seem to imply no thousand years after Jesus returns.
Thank you for the reply.
I have found more evidence to support that outcome than the more popular Pre-Mil concept.
God bless.
GodsGrace
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Honestly, I've never understood how one could reason that Jesus is returning twice.
I don't believe in the rapture either.
I mean, the rapture will happen, but at the end.
Well , chapter 20 of Revelation . How do you explain that ?
Consecrated Life
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It is obvious from the Gospels that the Apostles believed Jesus's return for them would not only happen in their lifetime , but could very well happen the day they were writing the Gospels.
Based upon the belief of those who walked & lived with the Savior that would mean that there is nothing that needs to happen prior to His gathering His Church.
Particularly no tribulation has to happen :
1Th 4:17
" Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
Based upon the belief of those who walked & lived with the Savior that would mean that there is nothing that needs to happen prior to His gathering His Church.
Particularly no tribulation has to happen :
1Th 4:17
" Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
Greetings F345T,
I understand that the day of Christ is when Jesus will return to establish his Kingdom on the earth for the 1000 years. Initially I will simply list a few of my favourite Scripture passages that I consider support the concept of the return of Jesus and his establishment of the Kingdom of God upon the earth for the 1000 years.
Psalm 72, Isaiah 2:1-4, Micah 4:1-8, Daniel 2:35,44, Zechariah 14, Luke 1:30-33, Matthew 19:28, Acts 1:10-11, Acts 3:19-21, 1 Corinthians 15:20-28, 2 Timothy 4:1,6-8, Revelation 5:9-10, Revelation 20:6.
Kind regards
Trevor
Philippians 1:6,10 (KJV): 6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;
I understand that the day of Christ is when Jesus will return to establish his Kingdom on the earth for the 1000 years. Initially I will simply list a few of my favourite Scripture passages that I consider support the concept of the return of Jesus and his establishment of the Kingdom of God upon the earth for the 1000 years.
Psalm 72, Isaiah 2:1-4, Micah 4:1-8, Daniel 2:35,44, Zechariah 14, Luke 1:30-33, Matthew 19:28, Acts 1:10-11, Acts 3:19-21, 1 Corinthians 15:20-28, 2 Timothy 4:1,6-8, Revelation 5:9-10, Revelation 20:6.
Kind regards
Trevor
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
Hi TL
How do your NT verses above show that Jesus will reign for 1,000 years?
Luke 1:30-33
Matthew 19:28
Acts 1:10-11
Acts 3:19-21
1 Cor 15:20-28
2 Timothy 4:1, 6-8
Actually, 3 or 4 verses would do.
Thanks.
Personally, after much study on the topic, I just see it as a misinterpretation that's been popularized widely across Christendom.
The way I see it, if a verse 'appears' to say something, but that something is contradicted by other texts, especially multiple/many other texts, then it has to mean something other than what it appears to mean.
The idea that there will be a 1000 year period upon this physical earth after Christ returns is contradicted by almost every end times passage I can find. And, honestly, it doesn't make any sense in the grand scheme of the Bible's whole message. The Day of Jesus is the day that Jesus returns. We have a verse that says that God will continue His work in us until the Day of Jesus. (Phil. 1:6) If we have a Millennium period that is going to happen upon this physical earth after Christ's return, why would God stop helping and changing His people at the beginning of that time period. Isn't there still supposed to be sex and birth and the devil being set free to test mankind during that time?
There are many things about the concept that just don't make any sense and many of the end times verses declare that the earth will be completely destroyed upon Christ's return.
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GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
Do you believe the earth will be literally destroyed but then made new again?
The New Jerusalem?
Or do you believe we'll just always spend the time in heaven?
(with no new earth).
I don't think they believed they would still be alive simply because they said 'we'.
You're claiming that the Apostles were woefully ignorant of the things they were teaching. That just doesn't jibe with Scripture at all, in my opinion.
I believe Jesus' Kingdom began during His earthly ministry. He even made statements of it being here now and it being within us. I believe He rules and reigns upon the earth right now in all True believers who possess His Holy Spirit.
Honestly, I want to believe that there will be a new physical earth after this one's destroyed. I love the natural world, love animals and the outdoors and dream of how amazing this world must've been when God first created it. How pristine, how majestic the trees and animals probably were.
Unfortunately, parts of Revelation seem to indicate a very spiritual destination with New Jerusalem coming down from the sky, etc. Who knows?
I hope and pray I'm there to find out.
Consecrated Life
Member
I'm sure that Paul did not feel that he was for sure going to be alive for it either.
You miss the whole point.
As long as he was breathing he knew the possibility still existed.
But yes, he knew that he could die the next morning and then he would no longer be eligible .
All he needed to know only for that moment to qualify was that he breathing, even though he knew he could also be dead by daybreak.
He was able to spiritually walk & chew gum in looking at the possibility .
Kind Regards
I may be misunderstanding what you're saying there, but what do you mean he would not be eligible if he died?
Eligible for what? Salvation?
Why not?
Consecrated Life
Member
Eligible to be transformed from decaying flesh to an eternal body in the "twinkling of an eye" by Jesus without ever having to be the guest of honor at his funeral.
Ah yes. Ok.
So you believe there will be a 1000 year period upon the earth after Christ's return then?
Consecrated Life
Member
No, before that happens "him" who Jesus spoke of will be received by the whole earth as their prince of peace and rules over them.
Jhn 5:43
"I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive."
Well , now here is your chance to give us your interpretation of these verses , I mean if you don't mind
.Revelation 20 |
| 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. |
| 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, |
| 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. |
| 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. |