Preterism Hebrew Greek Word Study
In Mark 16:15 the verse before tell us it was specifically the Eleven that Jesus was talking to, the "they". Verse 20 shows us that it was the disciples who followed the "preach" command and indeed went and "preached everywhere". The Roman verses you provided seem to mention more of this "proclamation". It's very interesting.
Rev 22:2 shows us rivers that I think relate to the rivers described in Genesis 2:10-14, as both are for watering.
Specifically, I remember Romans 16:20 that you mentioned in the Zoom call about 2 weeks ago.
But wow, you're right! Right there at the bottom, for Young's it really does say "quickly". And the KJV says "shortly" too. I completely missed that the first time you showed it!
will soon crush
συντρίψει (syntripsei)
https://www.bereanbiblechurch.org/t...vid-curtis-resurrection-of-the-dead_video.php
For me, I see Sheol (Hebrew) as a place where just, dead people are in general. The natural consequence of having any sin, is being stuck there. But when someone believes in Christ, they're washed of death and given permanent life.
Yes, it shows in John 3:13 that no one has ascended up to Heaven. Then there's the question of whether people will ascend bodily like going up, or spiritually, that I remember was being discussed a few weeks back from the Zoom call.
Well, we at least know that Lazarus was resurrected. John 11:43. Then 1 Corinthians 15:20 talks about the first fruits being resurrected. Speaking of Matthew, Matthew 27:52-53 also says "tombs broke out" similar to Verse 28 from John Ch 5 you mentioned. The bodies of many holy people were resurrected. They went to the Holy City, I think New Jerusalem.
Yes, Bible Hub's very useful for looking at Strong's Greek translations and seeing where conjugations appear elsewhere. Such as death θάνατος (thanatos) and permanent life αθάνατος (athánatos)
Luke 21:32 and Mark 13:30 talks about a generation passing away, same word.
generation
γενεὰ (genea)
Noun - Nominative Feminine Singular
Strong's 1074: From genos; a generation; by implication, an age.
Interesting, it looks connected to olam (Hebrew) and aionios (Greek) which means "pertaining to an age". So there's the Old Covenant you mention passing away in AD70, one age, and now we're in another age (generation). Old Heaven and Old Earth replaced with New Heaven and New Earth Isaiah 65:17 Revelation 21:1
Romans 10:18 mentions the voice going out to all ends of the earth then Colossians 1:5-6 mentions the Gospel growing. My theories are either
First thought
a) Colossians somehow came before Romans, even though the Bible book says otherwise
But now thinking about it, more likely I think
b) Romans had the seed of the Gospel planted. And Colossians talks about that seed now growing.
So the "planting of the Gospel seed" seems to be what was already fulfilled. Now it's up to us, the gardeners, to grow that plant and have the seed of faith go inside people. Requirement for Matthew 24:14
Strong's 3956: πᾶσαν (pasan)
and all = all as us UR people know.
In terms of Jesus coming back at a certain year, I thought I was going to see Christ come back many years ago, like some sort of "rapture" or "translation" I guess XD. This was when I was younger... I even made a message explaining why I would have suddenly "vanished" to my parents. You know how that turned out... since I'm still here... For me, that's why I'm interested in looking at other views like Preterism, things that I thought were true in the past turned out false. So besides UR, I can't really "debate" much of anything, I'm just a truth seeker on a journey lol.
Oh, I like to use Mark 16:15 as an argument against people who tell me to stop evangelizing. But... looking at the rest of the chapter... Mark 16:20 states "they went out and preached everywhere". From a preterist view, I'm wondering if the Gospel was already preached everywhere. At least, to all creatures during that time. (Col 1:5 "have already heard", past tense, Rom 1:8 "all over the world"). Though, there may be people born years after that that would benefit from the Gospel preached to them. Goes back to what you said about being a witness. But preterism wise, that original requirement has already been fulfilled.
So, preterist UR evangelism is more about reminding the whole world the truth that they've already heard, so they don't forget it. Hence Mark 13:10 saying "must first". Further, like you mentioned before, the gathering of certain elect has already happened, like in the 1st century. Related to AD70. A lot of people assume Revelations is still upcoming, but parts of it have already happened. Matthew 24:11-14 says "then the end will come" which relates to that. Parts of "that end" have already happened. Though there's still "another end" as in everyone becoming a believer in Christ, as we know from UR. Preterism + Universalism help show the different ages (olam/aionios/eternal) God works through. And many verses are "timeless" in the sense, even though they're requirements have already been fulfilled, they are a good reminder of God's overall nature, since He does not change. (Ex: Malachi 3:6 still relevant despite it applying to children of Jacob)
Rom 8:26-27 and Cor 14:14 mention the Holy Spirit, which I didn't add, I think simply do to time constraints. You know how it is when someone's new to the Bible, they jump between a lot of questions lol. I did mention the Holy Spirit before, but I think I forgot to include it on the text document. But eventually all people will have the Holy Ghost dwelling in them, praying on their behalf.
For me, as long as someone has core Christian beliefs, like faith alone salvation, permanent salvation, universal salvation, etc, then I'm fine with understanding their other unique viewpoints. Like in the Zoom call before, Global Flood vs Local Flood. Or sphere Earth or flat Earth. Personally, I see the Earth as a sphere, but I wouldn't want to go in a long debate with a flat-earther proving it, I'm more so curious how they justify it with Bible scripture.
I think theological debates are most useful for core beliefs. Which is why I debate ECTers and Annihlationists, but I don't really want to debate like pre-trib post-trib rapture people. Outside of core beliefs, anything else should be a learning approach, like with eschatological views.
www.bereanbiblechurch.org
Start Quote "But further, Yahweh referred to Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, thus speaking of these patriarchs not as dead men but as those who are alive and immortal. If God spoke of dead men as though they were alive, then this implied that these men would live again; they would rise from the dead." End Quote
Which shows the "aionion" life (John 3:16), pertaining to ages, that we gain from belief in Christ, like how Abraham believed. (Rom 4:3). The Holy Spirit works in ages, whether it's 10 years or 50 years. I've changed a lot personally too thanks to Him
Which universally speaking, shows how all the people of Abraham's generation (Gen 22:8), of Isaac's, of Jacob's and so forth will be saved, in their own turn. (1 Cor 15:22-28). All people thus blessed. (Gen. 12:3). UR Gospel preached beforehand. (Gal 3:8)
Interesting Preterist view of Satan my friend. Oh and the Nephelim to. For me, there's many views on them, whether they're mighty men, legends, offsprings, etc. Still researching them. For me I personally view this verse as describing Satan as a "cherub"
Ezekiel 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub
Though like in John 8:44 he is also the Father of liars who can disguise himself as an angel of light 2 Corinthians 11:14 But yes, what the truth is will be revealed eventually
Hmm... 1st century history. Looking through my email archives, I remember this timeline about 70 AD
https://www.josephus.org/joschron.htm
Joel 2:28 so "Holy Spirit" poured out on all people. Would this count as all people being sealed for the day of redemption? Or by pouring out, just a spirit of prophesy? Eventually all people will be a temple of God, with Holy Ghost dwelling in them, but exact timing can be tricky to found out.
The timing of Revelation 5:13 is interesting. There are those "who are under the earth". From a UR perspective, everyone will be saved eventually. I wonder if they are still in the pit, Sheol/Hades, yet to be saved. It may also refer to underground creatures like moles, since it says "every creature" even those in the sea
In Mark 16:15 the verse before tell us it was specifically the Eleven that Jesus was talking to, the "they". Verse 20 shows us that it was the disciples who followed the "preach" command and indeed went and "preached everywhere". The Roman verses you provided seem to mention more of this "proclamation". It's very interesting.
Rev 22:2 shows us rivers that I think relate to the rivers described in Genesis 2:10-14, as both are for watering.
Specifically, I remember Romans 16:20 that you mentioned in the Zoom call about 2 weeks ago.
Romans 16:20 - Avoid Divisions
The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.
biblehub.com
But wow, you're right! Right there at the bottom, for Young's it really does say "quickly". And the KJV says "shortly" too. I completely missed that the first time you showed it!
will soon crush
συντρίψει (syntripsei)
https://www.bereanbiblechurch.org/t...vid-curtis-resurrection-of-the-dead_video.php
For me, I see Sheol (Hebrew) as a place where just, dead people are in general. The natural consequence of having any sin, is being stuck there. But when someone believes in Christ, they're washed of death and given permanent life.
Yes, it shows in John 3:13 that no one has ascended up to Heaven. Then there's the question of whether people will ascend bodily like going up, or spiritually, that I remember was being discussed a few weeks back from the Zoom call.
Well, we at least know that Lazarus was resurrected. John 11:43. Then 1 Corinthians 15:20 talks about the first fruits being resurrected. Speaking of Matthew, Matthew 27:52-53 also says "tombs broke out" similar to Verse 28 from John Ch 5 you mentioned. The bodies of many holy people were resurrected. They went to the Holy City, I think New Jerusalem.
Yes, Bible Hub's very useful for looking at Strong's Greek translations and seeing where conjugations appear elsewhere. Such as death θάνατος (thanatos) and permanent life αθάνατος (athánatos)
Luke 21:32 and Mark 13:30 talks about a generation passing away, same word.
generation
γενεὰ (genea)
Noun - Nominative Feminine Singular
Strong's 1074: From genos; a generation; by implication, an age.
Interesting, it looks connected to olam (Hebrew) and aionios (Greek) which means "pertaining to an age". So there's the Old Covenant you mention passing away in AD70, one age, and now we're in another age (generation). Old Heaven and Old Earth replaced with New Heaven and New Earth Isaiah 65:17 Revelation 21:1
Romans 10:18 mentions the voice going out to all ends of the earth then Colossians 1:5-6 mentions the Gospel growing. My theories are either
First thought
a) Colossians somehow came before Romans, even though the Bible book says otherwise
But now thinking about it, more likely I think
b) Romans had the seed of the Gospel planted. And Colossians talks about that seed now growing.
So the "planting of the Gospel seed" seems to be what was already fulfilled. Now it's up to us, the gardeners, to grow that plant and have the seed of faith go inside people. Requirement for Matthew 24:14
Strong's 3956: πᾶσαν (pasan)
and all = all as us UR people know.
In terms of Jesus coming back at a certain year, I thought I was going to see Christ come back many years ago, like some sort of "rapture" or "translation" I guess XD. This was when I was younger... I even made a message explaining why I would have suddenly "vanished" to my parents. You know how that turned out... since I'm still here... For me, that's why I'm interested in looking at other views like Preterism, things that I thought were true in the past turned out false. So besides UR, I can't really "debate" much of anything, I'm just a truth seeker on a journey lol.
Oh, I like to use Mark 16:15 as an argument against people who tell me to stop evangelizing. But... looking at the rest of the chapter... Mark 16:20 states "they went out and preached everywhere". From a preterist view, I'm wondering if the Gospel was already preached everywhere. At least, to all creatures during that time. (Col 1:5 "have already heard", past tense, Rom 1:8 "all over the world"). Though, there may be people born years after that that would benefit from the Gospel preached to them. Goes back to what you said about being a witness. But preterism wise, that original requirement has already been fulfilled.
So, preterist UR evangelism is more about reminding the whole world the truth that they've already heard, so they don't forget it. Hence Mark 13:10 saying "must first". Further, like you mentioned before, the gathering of certain elect has already happened, like in the 1st century. Related to AD70. A lot of people assume Revelations is still upcoming, but parts of it have already happened. Matthew 24:11-14 says "then the end will come" which relates to that. Parts of "that end" have already happened. Though there's still "another end" as in everyone becoming a believer in Christ, as we know from UR. Preterism + Universalism help show the different ages (olam/aionios/eternal) God works through. And many verses are "timeless" in the sense, even though they're requirements have already been fulfilled, they are a good reminder of God's overall nature, since He does not change. (Ex: Malachi 3:6 still relevant despite it applying to children of Jacob)
Rom 8:26-27 and Cor 14:14 mention the Holy Spirit, which I didn't add, I think simply do to time constraints. You know how it is when someone's new to the Bible, they jump between a lot of questions lol. I did mention the Holy Spirit before, but I think I forgot to include it on the text document. But eventually all people will have the Holy Ghost dwelling in them, praying on their behalf.
For me, as long as someone has core Christian beliefs, like faith alone salvation, permanent salvation, universal salvation, etc, then I'm fine with understanding their other unique viewpoints. Like in the Zoom call before, Global Flood vs Local Flood. Or sphere Earth or flat Earth. Personally, I see the Earth as a sphere, but I wouldn't want to go in a long debate with a flat-earther proving it, I'm more so curious how they justify it with Bible scripture.
I think theological debates are most useful for core beliefs. Which is why I debate ECTers and Annihlationists, but I don't really want to debate like pre-trib post-trib rapture people. Outside of core beliefs, anything else should be a learning approach, like with eschatological views.
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Start Quote "But further, Yahweh referred to Himself as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, thus speaking of these patriarchs not as dead men but as those who are alive and immortal. If God spoke of dead men as though they were alive, then this implied that these men would live again; they would rise from the dead." End Quote
Which shows the "aionion" life (John 3:16), pertaining to ages, that we gain from belief in Christ, like how Abraham believed. (Rom 4:3). The Holy Spirit works in ages, whether it's 10 years or 50 years. I've changed a lot personally too thanks to Him
Which universally speaking, shows how all the people of Abraham's generation (Gen 22:8), of Isaac's, of Jacob's and so forth will be saved, in their own turn. (1 Cor 15:22-28). All people thus blessed. (Gen. 12:3). UR Gospel preached beforehand. (Gal 3:8)
Interesting Preterist view of Satan my friend. Oh and the Nephelim to. For me, there's many views on them, whether they're mighty men, legends, offsprings, etc. Still researching them. For me I personally view this verse as describing Satan as a "cherub"
Ezekiel 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub
Though like in John 8:44 he is also the Father of liars who can disguise himself as an angel of light 2 Corinthians 11:14 But yes, what the truth is will be revealed eventually
Hmm... 1st century history. Looking through my email archives, I remember this timeline about 70 AD
https://www.josephus.org/joschron.htm
Joel 2:28 so "Holy Spirit" poured out on all people. Would this count as all people being sealed for the day of redemption? Or by pouring out, just a spirit of prophesy? Eventually all people will be a temple of God, with Holy Ghost dwelling in them, but exact timing can be tricky to found out.
The timing of Revelation 5:13 is interesting. There are those "who are under the earth". From a UR perspective, everyone will be saved eventually. I wonder if they are still in the pit, Sheol/Hades, yet to be saved. It may also refer to underground creatures like moles, since it says "every creature" even those in the sea
