Refuting Losing Salvation! (B)

[donadams]

doesn't say that in any translation

it still refers to what christians believe

 

[donadams]

Baptism is for believers; those who believe and therefore have been saved.


Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him. Now as they went down the road, they came to some water. And the eunuch said, “See, here is water. What hinders me from being baptized?”
Then Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.”
And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”
So he commanded the chariot to stand still. And both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him. Now when they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught Philip away, so that the eunuch saw him no more; and he went on his way rejoicing. Acts 8:35-39

Believe is how we are saved. He first believed and was saved, regenerated; born again, then he was water baptized.

• both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water, and he baptized him

Water baptism is done by going down under the water, and coming up again.

• Now when they came up out of the water…

Infant baptism is not biblical. A person must be old enough to believe the Gospel message of Jesus Christ.


Washington and regeneration is through the “word”; the message of salvation, not water baptism.


But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, Titus 3:4-6

• through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit

Not the washing of regeneration of water baptism.

We are saved when we believe;

Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12


For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16


When we believe we are baptized by the Spirit into Christ.

For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free—and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.
1 Corinthians 12:13

That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:6


This is the baptism whereby we are regenerated, thus born again by the Spirit.

then water baptism is meaningless

accomplishes nothing

church fathers say no one in ordinarily saved without baptism

mk 16:16 he who believes is saved? no!
mk 16:16 he who is baptized is saved? no!
mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

Effects of faith & baptism!

Ez 36:25-27 washed in baptism, with a new heart and the Spirit
Jn 3:5 born again in baptism
Mk 16:16 faith & baptist
Acts 2:38 repentance & baptism
Acts 8:36-38 faith & baptism
Acts 22:16 baptism washes away sin
Rom 6:3 died with Christ
Col 2:12 risen with Christ
1 cor 12:13 baptized into the church
Gal 3:27 by baptism put on Christ
2 Tim 1:10 eph 2:1 and 5 brought to life
2 cor 5:17 new creation
Eph 1:13 eph 4:30 sealed by the Holy Spirit
Eph 4:5 one faith, one baptism
Eph 5:26 faith and baptism
Titus 3:5 baptismal regeneration
1 pet 1:2 washed in Christ’s blood
1 pet 2:9 the kingdom of light
1 pet 3:20-21 baptism saves us!

“Faith alone” accomplishes nothing!
1 cor 13:2 even all faith (alone) without charity avails NOTHING!!!

Faith and baptism!

Scripture says none of the things about “Faith alone”!

Only James 2:24 a man is justified by works and not by “faith alone”

2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Also acts 16:17

The Christian sacrament of baptism is the Initiation into the new covenant and must be ministered to you by the apostles!









“Faith alone” Questions

where does ez 36: 25:27 Say “faith alone”?

where does scripture says we have died with Christ by “faith alone”?

Where does it say we are sealed by faith alone?

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

where does scripture say we are members of Christ and his church by “faith alone”?

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

where does scripture says we put on Christ by “faith alone”?

Faith alone?

1 Timothy 1:14
And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
(Sound like faith alone?)
(Why a great amount of grace, don’t we just each need a tiny bit?)

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Where does scripture say our sins are washed away by “faith alone”?

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

where does scripture say we are saved or justified by “faith alone”?

1 pet 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!

The only reference in scripture to “faith alone” is James 2:24 NOT BY “FAITH ALONE”?

2 pet 1: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

How can you enter by your own if it must be ministered to you? Baptism is done unto you, “not do it yourself by faith alone”

Ministered by the apostolic church!

2 Corinthians 8:19
And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:

Jn 3:5 born again by faith alone?

Where is “Accept Christ as your personal lord & savior” is found in scripture?

They did not go preaching this line but went immediately to the river and baptized Jn 3:22

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism

Why don’t it say one teeny tiny little act of “faith alone”???

When we first believed we are saved?

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

How can salvation be nearer than when we first believed if you’re saved by believing?

1 pet 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.

Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.

How can salvation happen when we first believed if it’s the end?

If salvation is by “faith alone” then faith would be the greatest!
1 cor 13:13 charity is the greatest!

Even all faith much less “faith alone” without charity avails nothing!
1 cor 13:2

thks

 

[1Thess521]

no that's not free will

In your view: was it possible for Mary to sin?

 

[JLB]

then water baptism is meaningless

accomplishes nothing

Those are your words, not mine.

I’m just saying that baptism regeneration is a false doctrine.

A person is saved when they believe, and therefore obey the gospel.

Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

Water baptism is for believers who are identifying themselves with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ; dead to this world and Satan the god of this world.

 

[JLB]

no!
mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
Mark 16:15-18

• And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;

Which of the three baptisms is required for salvation?

 

[donadams]

In your view: was it possible for Mary to sin?

Mary did not sin, preserved from sun by the powerful grace of God! Lk 1:49

 

[donadams]

Those are your words, not mine.

I’m just saying that baptism regeneration is a false doctrine.

A person is saved when they believe, and therefore obey the gospel.

Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

Water baptism is for believers who are identifying themselves with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ; dead to this world and Satan the god of this world.

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

 

[donadams]

Those are your words, not mine.

I’m just saying that baptism regeneration is a false doctrine.

A person is saved when they believe, and therefore obey the gospel.

Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12

Water baptism is for believers who are identifying themselves with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ; dead to this world and Satan the god of this world.

baptism is included in what we believe, the christian faith

 

[1Thess521]

Mary did not sin, preserved from sun by the powerful grace of God! Lk 1:49

AGAIN and AGAIN: you deliberately change the question

I did not ask if she did sin ;
I asked "In your view: was it possible for Mary to sin?"

 

[donadams]

And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
Mark 16:15-18

• And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;

Which of the three baptisms is required for salvation?

the new covenant sacrament of baptism! eph 4:5 thks

 

[JLB]

Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Here's the part you have overlooked.

... than when we believed.

 

[JLB]

baptism is included in what we believe, the christian faith

Yes, indeed.


There are three distinct baptism's associated with the Christian faith.

Only one is associated with salvation, and it certainly isn't water baptism.

 

[JLB]

the new covenant sacrament of baptism! eph 4:5 thks

There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; Ephesians 4:4-5

Sacrament is not mentioned in this verse.

The context is "one" which is referring to unity.

One body but many members.

The one baptism by which we are all baptized into one body is not water baptism.

The emphasis is on one; unity

Again, there are three distinct baptisms that are associated with the Christian faith.

Here's a little context:

endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:3-6

Are there three Gods or one God?