Rev 9: the destroying creatures from hell, and the horsemen breathing fire, smoke, and brimstone.

[RBDERRICK]

What John describes in Scripture, is exactly what he saw. He was not an ancient country bumkin that could not describe a helicopter or a tank.

The ancients during the time of Rome knew all about iron and steel, machines, and means of power. That especially includes intelligent city-men wise to the way of Christ, and the ways of the world. Ezekiel long before John had no problem describing in perfect detail and understanding, the mechanics of God's own chariot and throne moving in the sky.

So, the real question is not what he was seeing, but why he was seeing men in the future going to war on horses.

Where's the machines of power and engines of mobility?

The answer lies in the fact that the Lord has already come in an instant out of heaven into the air of earth. And He does so with great power and glory shining as lightning all over the earth from east to west.

To think that does nothing to disrupt modern industrial and technological power sources, would be less than believable.

The reason they are on horses, is because not so much as a light bulb can now shine by electrical power on earth. God's own worlds-wide 'electro-magnetic pulse' has shut every power source down on earth, except that of the days before electricity.

The reason why the horses are are so misshapen and with fire and smoke and brimstone going out of their mouths, is the same reason the locusts are wildly shaped. Because they are from the pit of hell and given powers by Satan to do so.

The end of these last days before the Lord's return, will have Satan exercising physical power with wrath upon all inhabitors of the earth.

By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

Although their warfare will be aimed at the Lamb of God, like all serpents and devils, they also indiscriminately eat their own on the way to Armageddon. Especially when made mad by receiving evil froggy spirits.

 

[Paul Timothy]

It would be more accurate to say that John wrote what he was being shown.
Rather than John wrote what he saw.
Think about the differences between those two statements and maybe it will bring you some further insight.

 

[RBDERRICK]

It would be more accurate to say that John wrote what he was being shown. Rather than John wrote what he saw.

Not accurate at all.

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth...

As I said, prophecy and doctrine of Christ is as simple as reading and repeating the words of God written. Without changing their normal meaning that any child can understand.

Think about the differences between those two statements and maybe it will bring you some further insight.

It's an interesting statement, though I don't know how that makes his description any different, than what he saw.

The point here is not just what he saw, but how he described exactly what he saw, and was not trying to put helicopters and tanks into symbolic words of pre-electric minds. Whenever symbols are used in the Bible, they are obvious and their mystery is further explained by the Bible, as in Rev 1.

 

[Paul Timothy]

Not accurate at all.

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth...

As I said, prophecy and doctrine of Christ is as simple as reading and repeating the words of God written. Without changing their normal meaning that any child can understand.



It's an interesting statement, though I don't know how that makes his description any different, than what he saw.

The point here is not just what he saw, but how he described exactly what he saw, and was not trying to put helicopters and tanks into symbolic words of pre-electric minds. Whenever symbols are used in the Bible, they are obvious and their mystery is further explained by the Bible, as in Rev 1.

So you do not understand the difference.
Some people just don't get the subtle differences.

 

[RBDERRICK]

So you do not understand the difference.

Between the words of the Bible and what other people want to think? Of course I do. I show how the words of the Rev 9 are not what you think, and vica versa.

I'm feeling like the other people trying to deal with you. What about John saying "I saw" do you not understand?

Some people just don't get the subtle differences.

Though the serpent is subtle, I still can clearly see the difference between words of the Bible, and other things attempted to be shown by men.

The first step to rightly dividing the word of truth, is first simply dividing between what is written, and what is not.

What John saw in Rev 11 is written. Nothing about what he was shown.

Paul does speak in Col 2 of some people that make a shew of wisdom. Really subtle stuff I'm sure.

Hint: using the word subtle under the banner of teaching the Bible, is not such a wise thing to do. Ever since the serpent had that word tainted, it never appears in the Bible for the good.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

John did describe what he saw.And even called these things by names that have been called for thousands of years.For instance John saw stars falling to the earth.Now we all know that stars like the sun do not fall to the earth and we know that falling stars are not stars at all.But just as we still call a meteor a falling stars,John thinking he was seeing falling stars ,he wrote it.

So you be the judge,did John see stars like the sun falling to the earth?

Or did John see something else fall to the earth that would appear as a falling star?


Regardless,John did describe an event and his description matches perfectly to a nuclear explosion and it takes place on the day of the Lord.
Here is what John saw.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

As for the stars John saw falling to the earth.
Meteors are not the only thing that falls to the earth that appears as a falling star.Some of these things that fall to the earth carry nuclear warheads .

 

[Shilohsfoal]

What John describes in Scripture, is exactly what he saw. He was not an ancient country bumkin that could not describe a helicopter or a tank.

The ancients during the time of Rome knew all about iron and steel, machines, and means of power. That especially includes intelligent city-men wise to the way of Christ, and the ways of the world. Ezekiel long before John had no problem describing in perfect detail and understanding, the mechanics of God's own chariot and throne moving in the sky.

So, the real question is not what he was seeing, but why he was seeing men in the future going to war on horses.

Where's the machines of power and engines of mobility?

The answer lies in the fact that the Lord has already come in an instant out of heaven into the air of earth. And He does so with great power and glory shining as lightning all over the earth from east to west.

To think that does nothing to disrupt modern industrial and technological power sources, would be less than believable.

The reason they are on horses, is because not so much as a light bulb can now shine by electrical power on earth. God's own worlds-wide 'electro-magnetic pulse' has shut every power source down on earth, except that of the days before electricity.

The reason why the horses are are so misshapen and with fire and smoke and brimstone going out of their mouths, is the same reason the locusts are wildly shaped. Because they are from the pit of hell and given powers by Satan to do so.

The end of these last days before the Lord's return, will have Satan exercising physical power with wrath upon all inhabitors of the earth.

By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

Although their warfare will be aimed at the Lamb of God, like all serpents and devils, they also indiscriminately eat their own on the way to Armageddon. Especially when made mad by receiving evil froggy spirits.

I have a question for you.You have made the claim that God shuts everything down on earth.

Yet scripture says the king of the north(often referd to as the man of sin)will have a great fleet of ships come and his forces will invade the middle east and north Africa at the time of the end and will innihilate many people.

Daniel 11
40 “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. 41 He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. 42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites[e] in submission. 44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.


How does he send his great fleet of ships when he doesn't have sailboats or rowboats?Everything he has is industrial .

Can you provide one verse that say God will shut everything down with an electro magnetic pulse?

 

[RBDERRICK]

I have a question for you.

Great. I especially love sound challenges. I either have to perfect the teaching to give an honest rebuttal, or I must be corrected, which also perfects the teaching. It's a win-win for me.

You have made the claim that God shuts everything down on earth.

You are misphrasing me. I assume it's by accident, or just over generalizing.

I am offering a sensible reason for why a modern war larger than any war before on earth, is being conducted on horseback. No more functioning electric power on earth, including batteries with stored electric power, is certainly a realistic one. And so, why would electric power on earth no longer function?

An obvious answer is it is not normal times in the modern world. Afterall, at that point of the horsemen, the Lord has already returned into the air with great power and glory as lightning shine over the earth.

You can't say His coming again can't have any such affect, so you are only saying by personal interpretation it won't.

It's far more believable to say it will. Most certainly. After all, it's not just the Lord doing what man can do today, but it's law of nature itself. It must have an electrical affect in the air, above the air, and on earth.

Yet scripture says the king of the north(often referd to as the man of sin)

Not by me, nor by Jesus Christ, since I don't read anything about a king of the north in Revelation. In fact, the only time north even appears in Revelation is for the north wall of New Jerusalem.

I will be posting a thread on how interpreters of old prophecy have it all backwards. To interpret Revelation, we must begin with the words of Revelation. Then we go back to old prophecies to see where they properly belong in the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

All old prophecies of Christ are revealed and fulfilled in His Revelation, but they do not interpret Revelation.

Revelation Scriptures interpret all old prophecies of Scripture, even as NT Scripture and doctrine of Christ oversees all OT covenants and laws.

will have a great fleet of ships come and his forces will invade the middle east and north Africa at the time of the end and will innihilate many people.

Great fleets of sail have long been used for that. As well as many horsemen riding to battle. That's why some believed the Mongols and then the Huns were the horsemen of the Apocalypse.

Daniel 11
40 “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. 41 He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. 42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites[e] in submission. 44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.

Cyrus of the Medes came from the north to sack Babylon and make that empire into their own larger Medo-Persion one, that included Egypt and all the Mediterranean coastline. He initially came by storm and surprise with chariots and cavalry, and then a Persian navy was also built for the Mediterranean.

He's God's servant that set Daniel free from captivity in Babylon to return to Jerusalem. It's therefore not unreasonable to say the prophecy at least applies in part to the time of the end of the captivity in Babylon.

Afterall, that is what Daniel and Nehemiah and most all the Jews most cared about, and the angel was sent to show them that time of the end.

How does he send his great fleet of ships when he doesn't have sailboats or rowboats?Everything he has is industrial .

Warships of sail were the industry of the time, and according to Jesus' Revelation, will also have to be at one time in the future. However, I don't read anything about fleets of war in His Revelation. There are merchant ships spoken of.

Once again, I'll post a thread on how we have to interpret old prophecy of Scripture by Revelation of Jesus Christ, not the other way around. There is no naval warfare ever prophesied by Jesus Christ in His Revelation.

Also, I don't see why sail and row boats matter. However, all ancient fleets of war carried such smaller boats with them to go between warships for communication, supply, and general conferences, as well as resupply from land enroute.

Now, if you're trying to belittle the argument by belittling ancient fleets of war, then both cases fall short.

Can you provide one verse that say God will shut everything down with an electro magnetic pulse?

No. I never said there is. I only say there must be a reason why a future modern army is riding on a bunch of horses. That went out with the Polish in WWII.

And, even though those horses breathe fire, smoke, and brimstone, tanks are still much more effective and devastating. And so we must also consider the mercy of the Lord to stop all man-made electrical power for war. By the indiscriminate collateral slaughter of these madmen on horses, who would be left on earth if they also had their tanks, jets, and intercontinental missiles, not to mention nukes. These guys are not merciful to civialsn nor will they ever surrender. If they had their electrical power working, then the fanatic merciless amils prophecying every man, woman, child, and baby on earth would be more likely. It just wouldn't be at the Lord's hand.

The bottom-line is thinking John must have seen something unknown to him and tried to describe it symbolically. There is no Scripture hinting at it, muc less saying so.

It's only a presumption made by interpreters of prophecy, who fail to take Jesus' Revelation and God's words as literally true. Symbolizing prophecy without merit of Scripture, is a favorite tool of makers of their own prophecy.

It also presumes John's ignorance is so great, that he can't just say it is a moving body all of iron. After all, they all knew what iron, steel, and moving machines were, and John spoke of iron breastplates for the formed locusts from hell. And furthermore, even the Navajos made more sense to call tanks tortoises, rather than horses.

John's not a code-talker writing his own code-book of revelation and war.

It's Jesus' Revelation and Scriptures John is writing down exactly as given to Him by the Lord, and moved by the Holy Ghost to write.

God knows the difference between a horse, tank, and tortoise.

You are the one that must prove Rev 9 descriptions are only symbolical.

Otherwise you must interpret all such things as symbolic also, so that those stars in Jesus' hands seen by John, were symbolic of lightbulbs shaped as stars.

Merry Christmas John.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Great. I especially love sound challenges. I either have to perfect the teaching to give an honest rebuttal, or I must be corrected, which also perfects the teaching. It's a win-win for me.



You are misphrasing me. I assume it's by accident, or just over generalizing.

I am offering a sensible reason for why a modern war larger than any war before on earth, is being conducted on horseback. No more functioning electric power on earth, including batteries with stored electric power, is certainly a realistic one. And so, why would electric power on earth no longer function?

An obvious answer is it is not normal times in the modern world. Afterall, at that point of the horsemen, the Lord has already returned into the air with great power and glory as lightning shine over the earth.

You can't say His coming again can't have any such affect, so you are only saying by personal interpretation it won't.

It's far more believable to say it will. Most certainly. After all, it's not just the Lord doing what man can do today, but it's law of nature itself. It must have an electrical affect in the air, above the air, and on earth.



Not by me, nor by Jesus Christ, since I don't read anything about a king of the north in Revelation. In fact, the only time north even appears in Revelation is for the north wall of New Jerusalem.

I will be posting a thread on how interpreters of old prophecy have it all backwards. To interpret Revelation, we must begin with the words of Revelation. Then we go back to old prophecies to see where they properly belong in the Revelation of Jesus Christ.

All old prophecies of Christ are revealed and fulfilled in His Revelation, but they do not interpret Revelation.

Revelation Scriptures interpret all old prophecies of Scripture, even as NT Scripture and doctrine of Christ oversees all OT covenants and laws.




Great fleets of sail have long been used for that. As well as many horsemen riding to battle. That's why some believed the Mongols and then the Huns were the horsemen of the Apocalypse.




Cyrus of the Medes came from the north to sack Babylon and make that empire into their own larger Medo-Persion one, that included Egypt and all the Mediterranean coastline. He initially came by storm and surprise with chariots and cavalry, and then a Persian navy was also built for the Mediterranean.

He's God's servant that set Daniel free from captivity in Babylon to return to Jerusalem. It's therefore not unreasonable to say the prophecy at least applies in part to the time of the end of the captivity in Babylon.

Afterall, that is what Daniel and Nehemiah and most all the Jews most cared about, and the angel was sent to show them that time of the end.




Warships of sail were the industry of the time, and according to Jesus' Revelation, will also have to be at one time in the future. However, I don't read anything about fleets of war in His Revelation. There are merchant ships spoken of.

Once again, I'll post a thread on how we have to interpret old prophecy of Scripture by Revelation of Jesus Christ, not the other way around. There is no naval warfare ever prophesied by Jesus Christ in His Revelation.

Also, I don't see why sail and row boats matter. However, all ancient fleets of war carried such smaller boats with them to go between warships for communication, supply, and general conferences, as well as resupply from land enroute.

Now, if you're trying to belittle the argument by belittling ancient fleets of war, then both cases fall short.


No. I never said there is. I only say there must be a reason why a future modern army is riding on a bunch of horses. That went out with the Polish in WWII.

And, even though those horses breathe fire, smoke, and brimstone, tanks are still much more effective and devastating. And so we must also consider the mercy of the Lord to stop all man-made electrical power for war. By the indiscriminate collateral slaughter of these madmen on horses, who would be left on earth if they also had their tanks, jets, and intercontinental missiles, not to mention nukes. These guys are not merciful to civialsn nor will they ever surrender. If they had their electrical power working, then the fanatic merciless amils prophecying every man, woman, child, and baby on earth would be more likely. It just wouldn't be at the Lord's hand.

The bottom-line is thinking John must have seen something unknown to him and tried to describe it symbolically. There is no Scripture hinting at it, muc less saying so.

It's only a presumption made by interpreters of prophecy, who fail to take Jesus' Revelation and God's words as literally true. Symbolizing prophecy without merit of Scripture, is a favorite tool of makers of their own prophecy.

It also presumes John's ignorance is so great, that he can't just say it is a moving body all of iron. After all, they all knew what iron, steel, and moving machines were, and John spoke of iron breastplates for the formed locusts from hell. And furthermore, even the Navajos made more sense to call tanks tortoises, rather than horses.

John's not a code-talker writing his own code-book of revelation and war.

It's Jesus' Revelation and Scriptures John is writing down exactly as given to Him by the Lord, and moved by the Holy Ghost to write.

God knows the difference between a horse, tank, and tortoise.

You are the one that must prove Rev 9 descriptions are only symbolical.

Otherwise you must interpret all such things as symbolic also, so that those stars in Jesus' hands seen by John, were symbolic of lightbulbs shaped as stars.

Merry Christmas John.

I'm sorry,I thought you might be familiar with Paul's letters to the churches.Most christians are and know that Paul referd to the king of the north as the man of sin.



2 these 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Daniel 11
36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.


It's funny though.Paul was a pharisee and familiar with the doctrine of the Pharisees such as their interpretation of Daniel 11 .Yet he did not believe it after he was converted.Jesus also taught that Daniel 11 had not been fulfilled as well.
Well anyway,now you know who the man of sin is according to Paul.

 

[RBDERRICK]

John did describe what he saw.And even called these things by names that have been called for thousands of years.For instance John saw stars falling to the earth.Now we all know that stars like the sun do not fall to the earth and we know that falling stars are not stars at all.But just as we still call a meteor a falling stars,John thinking he was seeing falling stars ,he wrote it.

I no longer speculate this way, because it is basically saying John wrote Scripture in ignorance of what he was seeing, so that all Scripture is not in fact inspired by God, who does know all things that can be seen and unseen.

I agree though that stars don't naturally fall, but only rotate and move in space and time. They neither rise nor fall.

Scripture shows such things spoken of apply to rule and power, especially spiritual and ministerially.

However, since God makes the sun stand still at a man's word, then He can make stars fall too. As well as have the moon be red as blood and the sun darkened as by sackcloth.

Or did John see something else fall to the earth that would appear as a falling star?

The error here is talking like men write Scripture of God by their own understanding and ignorance, not by inspiration and move of the Holy Ghost. God knows the difference between a meteor and star.

And even when a prophet or apostle doesn't understand everything God gives them to write, they still write what He gives accurately.

All Scripture is Christ's written words, not John's. It's Christ calling them falling stars, not just dumb-dumb John.

Regardless,John did describe an event and his description matches perfectly to a nuclear explosion and it takes place on the day of the Lord.

Fine. And the Lord will shine as lightning across the sky at His return. That doesn't make Him lightning.

The Lord returning with great power and glory makes nukes seem like firecrackers.

Meteors are not the only thing that falls to the earth that appears as a falling star.Some of these things that fall to the earth carry nuclear warheads .

The error here also is making the plagues from the wrath of God to be made and accomplished by man.

It's God wrath and plagues exactly as described, not man's.

 

[RBDERRICK]

Jesus also taught that Daniel 11 had not been fulfilled as well.

Not sure where this is coming from, but since you've left the argument, then it doesn't matter.

I'll stick with no electric power on earth when the Lord returns in the air. Not so much as a battery.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I no longer speculate this way, because it is basically saying John wrote Scripture in ignorance of what he was seeing, so that all Scripture is not in fact inspired by God, who does know all things that can be seen and unseen.

I agree though that stars don't naturally fall, but only rotate and move in space and time. They neither rise nor fall.

Scripture shows such things spoken of apply to rule and power, especially spiritual and ministerially.

However, since God makes the sun stand still at a man's word, then He can make stars fall too. As well as have the moon be red as blood and the sun darkened as by sackcloth.


The error here is talking like men write Scripture of God by their own understanding and ignorance, not by inspiration and move of the Holy Ghost. God knows the difference between a meteor and star.

And even when a prophet or apostle doesn't understand everything God gives them to write, they still write what He gives accurately.

All Scripture is Christ's written words, not John's. It's Christ calling them falling stars, not just dumb-dumb John.


Fine. And the Lord will shine as lightning across the sky at His return. That doesn't make Him lightning.

The Lord returning with great power and glory makes nukes seem like firecrackers.


The error here also is making the plagues from the wrath of God to be made and accomplished by man.

It's God wrath and plagues exactly as described, not man's.

I believe anyone with common sense would know the sun or any other star falling to the earth would be the end of the earth completely.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Not sure where this is coming from, but since you've left the argument, then it doesn't matter.

I'll stick with no electric power on earth when the Lord returns in the air. Not so much as a battery.

Left what argument?

Ofcorse there will be power upon earth.No need for there not to be.God never said he would stop a battery from working or any other device.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

When the abomination that causes Jerusalem's desolation is placed in Jerusalem by the armed forces of the king of the north,alot of people are not going to comprehend it was written.

And they ascended into heaven in a cloud.

 

[RBDERRICK]

I believe anyone with common sense would know the sun or any other star falling to the earth would be the end of the earth completely.

True, if that were God's purpose. The falling stars in Revelation, like the one in Rev 9, are persons with keys to open the bottomless pit for the worse on earth.

And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.

Their work is that of destructive ministers of corruption.

Therefore I write these things being absent, lest being present I should use sharpness, according to the power which the Lord hath given me to edification, and not to destruction.

Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.

(For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

 

[Alfred Persson]

What John describes in Scripture, is exactly what he saw. He was not an ancient country bumkin that could not describe a helicopter or a tank.

The ancients during the time of Rome knew all about iron and steel, machines, and means of power. That especially includes intelligent city-men wise to the way of Christ, and the ways of the world. Ezekiel long before John had no problem describing in perfect detail and understanding, the mechanics of God's own chariot and throne moving in the sky.

So, the real question is not what he was seeing, but why he was seeing men in the future going to war on horses.

Where's the machines of power and engines of mobility?

The answer lies in the fact that the Lord has already come in an instant out of heaven into the air of earth. And He does so with great power and glory shining as lightning all over the earth from east to west.

To think that does nothing to disrupt modern industrial and technological power sources, would be less than believable.

The reason they are on horses, is because not so much as a light bulb can now shine by electrical power on earth. God's own worlds-wide 'electro-magnetic pulse' has shut every power source down on earth, except that of the days before electricity.

The reason why the horses are are so misshapen and with fire and smoke and brimstone going out of their mouths, is the same reason the locusts are wildly shaped. Because they are from the pit of hell and given powers by Satan to do so.

The end of these last days before the Lord's return, will have Satan exercising physical power with wrath upon all inhabitors of the earth.

By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

Although their warfare will be aimed at the Lamb of God, like all serpents and devils, they also indiscriminately eat their own on the way to Armageddon. Especially when made mad by receiving evil froggy spirits.

Interesting. I don't agree, but like it better than most explanations.

When the abyss is opened, spirits of demons come out. The "locusts" are "possessed" by these demons, so they can inflict physical torment on apostate Christendom. They are prevented from harming real or potential Christians:

9:1 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit.
2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit.
3 Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
5 And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.
6 In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them. (Rev. 9:1-6 NKJ)

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[RBDERRICK]

Left what argument?

Ofcorse there will be power upon earth.No need for there not to be.God never said he would stop a battery from working or any other device.

I only use it to explain why a modern army is riding horses to war.

What explanation do you have?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

I only use it to explain why a modern army is riding horses to war.

What explanation do you have?

There's a lot of horsepower in today's horses.
No need to believe there will be no horsepower at the time of the end.Scripture does not state horsepower will be cut off.

 

[RBDERRICK]

Interesting. I don't agree, but like it better than most explanations.

Since you don't show any error in it, then I'll keep it.

When the abyss is opened, spirits of demons come out. The "locusts" are "possessed" by these demons,

Don't read anything about demons in Rev 9.

The locusts are given power as scorpions of the earth.

so they can inflict physical torment on apostate Christendom.

It says any one not with the seal of God. It would include false witnesses of God.

It also implies there will be true witnesses of God on earth sealed by the Holy Spirit.

 

[RBDERRICK]

There's a lot of horsepower in today's horses.
No need to believe there will be no horsepower at the time of the end.Scripture does not state horsepower will be cut off.

Cute. I like the word play, even when it doesn't properly apply.

I'll stick with the cause for modern armies riding horses due to no electric power on earth at the Lord's return in the air.