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Sam Harris's perfect weapons and Christianity

I was reading Sam Harris's book "The End Of Faith", and while I'm aware Sam Harris isn't exactly held in the highest esteem in christian circles, he brought up something that I suspect might be a topic of interest to christians. I've copied an excerpt from his book below, for you to read.


Perfect Weapons and the Ethics of "Collateral Damage"

What we euphemistically describe as "collateral damage" in times of war is the direct result of limitations in the power and precision of our technology. To see that this is so, we need only imagine how any of our recent conflicts would have looked if we had possessed perfect weapons - weapons that allowed us either to temporarily impair or to kill a particular person, or group, at any distance, without harming others or their property.

What would we do with such technology? Pacifists would refuse to use it, despite the variety of monsters currently loose in the world: the killers and torturers of children, the genocidal sadists, the men who, for want of the right genes, the right upbringing, or the right ideas, cannot possibly be expected to live peacefully with the rest of us. I will say a few things about pacifism in a later chapter - for it seems to me to be a deeply immoral position that comes to us swaddled in the dogma of highest moralism - but most of us are not pacifists. Most of us would elect to use weapons of this sort.

A moment's thought reveals that a person's use of such a weapon would offer a perfect window onto the soul of his ethics. Consider the all too facile comparisons that have recently been made between George Bush and Saddam Hussein (or Osama bin Laden, or Hitler, etc.) - in the pages of writers like [Arundhati] Roy and [Noam] Chomsky, in the Arab press, and in classrooms throughout the free world. How would George Bush have prosecuted the recent war in Iraq with perfect weapons?

Would he have targeted the thousands of Iraqi civilians who were maimed or killed by our bombs? Would he have put out the eyes of little girls or torn the arms from their mothers? Whether or not you admire the man's politics - or the man- there is no reason to think that he would have sanctioned the injury or death of even a single innocent person. What would Saddam Hussein or Osama bin Laden do with perfect weapons? What would Hitler have done? They would have used them rather differently.




In reading this, something occurred to me: According to Christianity, doesn't God have the capacity to employ the use of Sam Harris's hypothetical perfect weapons? Surely he must, given his omnipotence. Instead of bringing about the great flood, could he not have conjured a divine force with the same effect, but that would spare the infants and innocent children, as well as the animals that weren't selected for the Ark? Yet he didn't. Does that not mean the deaths of these children and infants and animals were intentional?

What do you think?
 
In reading this, something occurred to me: According to Christianity, doesn't God have the capacity to employ the use of Sam Harris's hypothetical perfect weapons? Surely he must, given his omnipotence. Instead of bringing about the great flood, could he not have conjured a divine force with the same effect, but that would spare the infants and innocent children, as well as the animals that weren't selected for the Ark? Yet he didn't. Does that not mean the deaths of these children and infants and animals were intentional?

What do you think?

Sure, God could do such a thing. He wouldn't be God if He couldn't. The real issue is Sin/Evil. God could destroy all sin if He wanted to and end all misery once and for all, but He doesn't. Why? There are many theories, but we won't know unless He chooses to tell us. The issue is: no one, not one living organism on earth is spared from the pain of sin.

Not even the perfect, sinless Christ Jesus was spared from sin's misery while He lived on earth:
John 15:20
Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted Me, they will persecute you also.


Sin/the devil doesn't care if a baby suffers, but God does. Man has freewill. Man chooses to sin against God. God's will on the matter of war is "pray for your enemies, bless those who persecute you." God's will is that there would be no war. So when man goes to war He sins against God's perfect will and therefore reaps what he sows: death, sorrow, pain, misery. Then in His mercy the Lord steps in to bring comfort, healing, life and joy. The Bible says He gives us "beauty for ashes."

Did God in the OT tell the Israelites to go to war? Yes, He did. However, that time was very different time. The people were not like us. The Bible says that during the days of Noah when He destroyed mankind with a flood that "they thought evil all day long." Can you imagine if our era was like that? Every single person would be a Hitler, or Stalin, or Mao. Our generation could not even fathom living in such a dark age!

Paul says that God forgave their sins because of their ignorance, but that we are not ignorant and are now responsible/accountable before God because of the enlightenment we have. We live in an A.D. world. A world in which we and our forefathers grew up hearing: "Love your enemies, Love your neighbor, Forgive, Treat others as you would treat yourselves..."

God could make a perfect bomb, but He won't help man sin against His creation and Himself.
 
I appreciate your reply, but I also feel you've missed the point I brought up: God's omnipotence guarantees that whoever he kills and spares through his actions was killed or spared with his full knowledge and consent. The fact that he sent a flood to kill everyone but Noah, his family, and two of each species of animals means that he wanted every other animal and every human infant to suffer death by drowning. Why did he choose not to spare the other animals, and the human infants who couldn't be guilty of anything yet?
 
Surely he must, given his omnipotence. Instead of bringing about the great flood, could he not have conjured a divine force with the same effect, but that would spare the infants and innocent children, as well as the animals that weren't selected for the Ark? Yet he didn't. Does that not mean the deaths of these children and infants and animals were intentional?

What do you think?

Sure, He could have done that. Then the world would have been populated by infants and toddlers, without any adults to take care of them or supervise them. How do you think that would have worked out? Do you really think it would have been more merciful of God to leave all those breast feeding infants without anyone to feed them?
 
who said the he killed them. the children were at the mercy of thier parents. he warned the parents what to do , they choose their fates along with the fates of their kids.

i doubt the kids are in hell.

by that reason God should be stopping abortions , that is murder in his eyes. but he doenst. God doenst negate the effects of sin. merely lets it run its course.

the innoncent unborn that are being slaughtered and yet the lord doenst judge them yet. He allows us to sin for a reason.
 
I appreciate your reply, but I also feel you've missed the point I brought up: God's omnipotence guarantees that whoever he kills and spares through his actions was killed or spared with his full knowledge and consent. The fact that he sent a flood to kill everyone but Noah, his family, and two of each species of animals means that he wanted every other animal and every human infant to suffer death by drowning. Why did he choose not to spare the other animals, and the human infants who couldn't be guilty of anything yet?

Well, it's a matter of perspective, I suppose:

Which is most merciful?

A) God allows for those babies, infants, children to grow up and become like their fathers. Their fate being an eternity removed from Him.

B) God takes those babies into heaven for them to live in an eternity of peace in perfection. (By doing this He spared the lives of those infants)

The same goes for those animals. They have left pain for peace.
 
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Lords,it rained after the arc was shut, not before.

there was no chance for those persons to repent after the arc was shut. it was too late.
 
Lords,it rained after the arc was shut, not before.

there was no chance for those persons to repent after the arc was shut. it was too late.

They had a chance to repent before the flood came, and they rejected it.
 
That hit me after I left LOL.

Thanks for that catch! I'm not paying attention!!

I'll revise my post lol
 
They had a chance to repent before the flood came, and they rejected it.

i agree with that, noah preached 100 yrs. so its not like they didnt have a chance to repent.

i wonder where the contra-arugment is. we believers will see the Goodness of God in this, but sd wont or doesnt.
 
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