Satan's Great Lie

[cj]

cj

Lets try one question.

Do you believe you have free will?

Litebeam..... I have a will.

The very reality of a will negates the need for an adjective such as "free" to be used before it.

If a will is not inherently free, then it is simply an organ to facilitate another's will.

Now,...... lets try one question.

Do you have a regenerated spirit?

In love,
cj

 

[Litebeam]

If a will is not inherently free, then it is simply an organ to facilitate another's will.

So you believe you have free will in other words.

I guess you don't believe this scripture then do you?

In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will: Eph 1:11


How can you have free will when God works all things after the counsel of His own will?

Do you have a regenerated spirit?

According to the Holy Spirit, yes. According to "your judgement," no.

 

[cj]

So you believe you have free will in other words.

Absolutely....... Christ has set us free hasn't He?

God made us in His own likeness and image, and now we have His life and nature. Far as I know, everything about God's likeness and image, life and nature.... is free.

I guess you don't believe this scripture then do you?

Perhaps you should stop guessing.......

In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will: Eph 1:11


How can you have free will when God works all things after the counsel of His own will?

Simple......... take His will as your own.

See Litebeam, this is what Paul's ministry was/is all about. But you're not clear about Paul's ministry. Its obvious from your speaking.

According to the Holy Spirit, yes. According to "your judgement," no.

Well, I don't know what you mean by according to my judgement,....... but, if you're saved then you're born again of the Spirit and thus have a regenerated spirit.

So, are you born again of the Spirit? Its a really simple question to aswer Litebeam.

In love,
cj

 

[Litebeam]

Cj

So which is it? You say you absolutely have free will. Then you say you take His will as your own, which tends to go along with you have no will of your own, that God is indeed sovereign as I have declared in my posts.

So allow me to ask, did you use your free will to take His free will as your own?





I did answer your question:
According to the Holy Spirit, yes. According to "your judgement," no.



What part don’t you understand?
You keep saying I don’t know what I am talking about so it isn’t too hard to discern from your posts how you are judging me.



cj wrote:

Cause if you don't truly know, by experience realized, what this means, then you have a ways to go before you can declare that you really follow Christ.

See, right now, most of the time its more likely that its Christ following you.... like the good sheperd that goes and finds his lost sheep.

If we are really following Christ there would be no reason for him to have to come find us.

No Litebeam, the truth is more like you want to follow Christ, but it takes time.




What I mean cj is according to your judgement.

Just the one question:

Did you use your free will to take His free will as your own?


God bless!

 

[cj]

Cj

So which is it? You say you absolutely have free will. Then you say you take His will as your own, which tends to go along with you have no will of your own, that God is indeed sovereign as I have declared in my posts.

So allow me to ask, did you use your free will to take His free will as your own?

Actually, its both....... what you are failing at understanding is that all things are out of God.

Did you not notice the word "take"..... as in "take His as your own,..."?

To take something requires the will to be excercised doesn't it?

So in your words above we can see where you have come to a wrong conclusion of what I said.

Why? Perhaos you should take more care in your reading, and be less quick to conclude.

Your questions expose your lack of clarity regarding what the will is. And no, this is not a "judgement" of you by me. In fact, as you will see below in my response to your accusation of me judging you, I point out your erroneous understanding of just what judgement really is.

People love to use all sorts of words and phrases, yet have little thought as to the reality of what they are saying. It shows a lack of care and appreciation of who God is and what He has said.


Litebeam...... I excercise my..... spirit...... to take God's will as my own.

See Litebeam, my regenerated spirit is greater than my will, for it contains the Seed of life, in which is the will of God, the Creator of all things, the Source of all things, the Life of all things.

You speak about the will as if it must either be the leading part of a decision or no part of the decision. But you are in error on both thoughts. The will is simply an organ by which life flows out from the source through men.

But, still there remains the matter of my response..... what is it that causes me to respond to God?

Is it my willingness to respond to Him? Or is it something else?

Why did you respond to God Litebeam...... why did you respond and thus were saved? What in you was touched? Your will? Your mind? Your emotion? All these things that were absolutely against God suddenly became for God when He appeared to you (in the preaching of the gospel)?

Ever wondered why Jesus referred to the Pharisees, who were fallen men just as you and I, as sons of the serpent Satan?

Ever wonder about the "your seed" that is mentioned in Genesis when God is speaking to the serpent regarding what will happen between Eve's seed and the serpent's seed?

Do you understand that God Himself was preaching the gospel to all who could hear at thah moment.

Adam, the man in whom all men were (all me came from Adam's seed) heard the gospel preached right after he had sinned and thus fallen away from God, and yet Adam believed God's words and thus was saved.

How was this? One second Adam did not believe God regarding the eating of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of God and evil, and the next minute Adam is calling His wife Eve, which means living. So did Adam not believe God's words of "in that day you will surely die." I don't think so, as Adam must have been fully aware that his access to eat from the tree of life had been cut off.

Doesn't it seem contradictory.... no tree of life, and yet Adam calls his wife "living"? What made him decide to call his wife Eve (living), when he must have be clear that she, just as he, would not be able to eat from the tree of life?



Litebeam..... what do you know about the moon, and the light of the moon?

Don't be quick to answer, take some time to consider this question.

I did answer your question:
According to the Holy Spirit, yes. According to "your judgement," no.

What part don’t you understand?
You keep saying I don’t know what I am talking about so it isn’t too hard to discern from your posts how you are judging me.

cj wrote:

Cause if you don't truly know, by experience realized, what this means, then you have a ways to go before you can declare that you really follow Christ.

See, right now, most of the time its more likely that its Christ following you.... like the good sheperd that goes and finds his lost sheep.

If we are really following Christ there would be no reason for him to have to come find us.

No Litebeam, the truth is more like you want to follow Christ, but it takes time.

What I mean cj is according to your judgement.

Then your answer makes no sense.

I never said you did not have a regenerated spirit.

See Litebeam..... having a regenerated spirit, which is to say, being born again of the Spirit, does not mean that you heart has been renewed/regenerated also.

God did not give us a new heart at the time of our redemtion, scripture does not say this. What scripture says is that He is giving us a new heart, through regeneration and transformation.

It would be a good excercise for all believers to look prayerfully at all the NT scriptures that concern the heart of men.

But concerning your following Christ.... Litebeam, you are not yet perfected, thus, in the aspects of your being that are unperfected the reality is, for you and for all of us, we do not follow Christ. This aspect of our heart is against Christ.

Every person has the capacity to receive God or reject God.... every single person. Because every person has been given a heart and a spirit.

The spirit is the contact point between God and man, and the heart is the point of response in a man. But this point of response is man's responsibility, not God's. God provides everything that is needed for man to receive God, which is to say, to receive life. And life is what is man's natural need. Why would a man who needs life, not chooses life?

The bible is clear.... because of the hardness of their heart.

And why is there heart hard? Because men have hardened their heart.

Litebeam, do you even know what the bible is a book of?


Litebeam, only God can judge.

What I have spoken to you is not a matter of judging you but one of speaking life to you; life that the Lord can use to open your sight.

If you feel "judged" then perhaps it is your own heart that is condemning you.

I know that there are many things here that I speak about that you know nothing about. But this is not because I am any better than you or higher than you, it is simple because God has worked it out this way. And you can either be offended by it or not offended by it, its you choice. Some plant, some water, but God gives the growth.

Just the one question:

Did you use your free will to take His free will as your own?

I used my heart and excercised my regenerated spirit to take His will as my own every day,.... and some days I'm better at it than on other days.


In love,
cj

 

[Litebeam]

cj


Who hardened Pharaoh’s heart? Pharaoh or God?


Exodus 14:8
The LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, so that he pursued the Israelites, who were marching out boldly.


You say men harden their hearts. God’s word says it is God who does it.

You are wasting your time with all your convoluted reasoning.

I am able to quite easily discern your need for such evasive tactics.

You believe you have free will and that you chose God, as you have declared in many words.

You do not believe that God is the Absolute Sovereign Lord Of All Creation, past, present and future.

You believe that you chose God.



I believe God’s word.


In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will: Eph 1:11


I believe God chose me. Do you see the difference? Will you? Or will you continue to avoid facing the real issue.


I do not become offended cj. I am well beyond such reactions.


In all your posts to me you have mentioned just one scripture. Psalm 132. So if you aren’t teaching God’s word what are you teaching?

The world according to cj perhaps?

I am not trying to upset you, I am pointing out how you are presenting yourself.

Will you stop telling me how little I know and understand and address the topic?


Just one question:

God works all things after the counsel of His own will means that WE CHOOSE NOTHING!

Wouldn’t you agree?


God bless!

 

[cj]

cj

Who hardened Pharaoh’s heart? Pharaoh or God?

Exodus 14:8
The LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, so that he pursued the Israelites, who were marching out boldly.

You say men harden their hearts. God’s word says it is God who does it.

This is absolutely untrue, you obviously do not know the bible as well as you think.

Did God harden Adams heart towards not following His commandment regarding the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

What a fool God would make Himself out to be when He declared "Who told you that you are naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?"

And what of Mark 10:5,.... "And Jesus said to them, Because of your hardness of heart he wrote this commandment for you."

So, before you make unwise statements, such as the following...

You are wasting your time with all your convoluted reasoning. I am able to quite easily discern your need for such evasive tactics.

Do some more research. Or, ask someone who may know the truth of the matter.

You believe you have free will and that you chose God, as you have declared in many words.

And now you are making false statements.

Don't do that, they will turn around and bite you in the butt.

You do not believe that God is the Absolute Sovereign Lord Of All Creation, past, present and future.

You believe that you chose God.

Again, you are making false statements.

Don't do that, they will turn around and bite you in the butt.

And now you are making false statements.

I believe God’s word.

No, you believe what you think is God's word.

But as you just showed us above, you don't know God's word. So how can you honestly claim to believe what you don't know.

In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will: Eph 1:11


I believe God chose me. Do you see the difference? Will you? Or will you continue to avoid facing the real issue.

My standing-on-a-pedsetal-fellow, you haven't a clue as to what the real issue is.

I do not become offended cj. I am well beyond such reactions.

Then you must be Christ returned. Even Paul stumbled at times.

In all your posts to me you have mentioned just one scripture. Psalm 132. So if you aren’t teaching God’s word what are you teaching?

The world according to cj perhaps?

Litebeam, Psalm 132 contains the revelation upon which the entire word of God sits.

But you need your eyes unveiled in order to receive this,... and maybe your heart softened toward God.

I am not trying to upset you, I am pointing out how you are presenting yourself.

Will you stop telling me how little I know and understand and address the topic?

No. How else will you know that you lack understanding.

Why not just humble yourself an ask a question or two. And not of the manipulative type that you asked before.

Just one question:

God works all things after the counsel of His own will means that WE CHOOSE NOTHING!

Wouldn’t you agree?

No, it means that God accomplishes His will regardless of our choice.

Follow this,..... did you wake up this morning determined to sin and having God's approval to do so? No right. But sin happens.

Yet, at the end of the day God still has you where He wants you.

In love,
cj

 

[FineLinen]

Ms. Birdy the hornets hymn has been a real blessing; much thanks for posting it!

The Hornets

To the tune of This Is Like Heaven To Me

http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/t/i/l/tilhv2me.htm

When the Canaanites hardened their hearts against God
And grieved Him because of their sin,
God sent along hornets to bring them to time
And help his own people to win.
The hornets persuaded them that it was best
To go quickly, and not to go slow:
God did not compel them to go 'gainst their will
But he just made them willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go 'gainst our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

If a nest of live hornets were brought to this room
And the creatures allowed to go free,
You would not need urgings to make yourself scarce
You'd want to get out, don't you see.
They would not lay hold and by force of their strength
Throw you out of the window, oh no,
They would not compel you to go 'gainst your will
But they would just make you willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go 'gainst our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

When Jonah was sent to the work of the Lord
The outlook was not very bright;
He had never done such a hard thing before
So he backed and ran off from the fight.
But God sent a big fish to swallow him up,
The story I'm sure you all know,
He did not compel him to go 'gainst his will
But he just made him willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go 'gainst our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

When Moses was sent to lead Israel out
To Canaan's rich fruit-bearing land.
Resisting his spirit they worshipped a calf,
And refused to obey God's command.
God did not compel them to go to the land
Which with wine, milk, and honey did flow,
But fed them on manna for forty long years
'Till he got them ready to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go against our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

When Balaam was sent to the Moabite kingd,
And wanted things run his own way,
His mule, ever faithful, spoke at the right time,
Made him willing God's will to obey.
God can use any man, since He used Balaam's mule,
For He is Almighty you know;
He does not compel us to go, 'against our will
But He just makes us willing to go.

Chorus

He does not compel us to go, no, no
He does not compel us to go.
He does not compel us to go against our will
But he just makes us willing to go.

 

[Litebeam]

cj

Your last post clearly states that you do not believe that God is Absolute Sovereign Lord Of All Creation, past, present and future.



cj wrote:

Follow this,..... did you wake up this morning determined to sin and having God's approval to do so? No right. But sin happens.




Litebeam says:

You over and over again express free will doctrine in your reasoning. God knows full well what everyone will do today and every day of human history. He created it all, past, present and future.


God is the author and creator of every single event, every circumstance that allows men to “chooseâ€Â. He created all that is in the world from beginning to end. Every life, mind, thing on this planet. He is God Almighty. The Sovereign Lord Of All Creation, past, present and future.





Litebeam wrote:

Who hardened Pharaoh’s heart? Pharaoh or God?

Exodus 14:8
The LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, so that he pursued the Israelites, who were marching out boldly.

You say men harden their hearts. God’s word says it is God who does it.




cj wrote:

This is absolutely untrue, you obviously do not know the bible as well as you think.




Litebeam asks:

Are you saying that Exodus 14:8 is absolutely untrue? How about this scripture?


Romans 9:18
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.


God’s word says He does it.



cj wrote:

Did God harden Adams heart towards not following His commandment regarding the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

What a fool God would make Himself out to be when He declared "Who told you that you are naked? Have you eaten of the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?"




Litebeam says:

Not only do you disagree with God’s word on the subject, you declare that God [ of infinite wisdom and intelligence ]makes Himself out to be a fool if He doesn’t conform to your limited understanding.

You are saying God did not know that Adam and Eve would disobey Him. Therefore He is not The Absolute Sovereign Lord Of All Creation past, present and future. Therefore Adam and Eve had free will and so do you.


I am not making any false statements. Just pointing out how you contradict yourself and God’s word. As well as how you are denying what you are declaring. That God is not Sovereign and that you claim free will.



It isn’t those who know that God is Absolute Sovereign Lord and that He does the choosing that are standing on a pedestal.

It is the majority who believe they have “free will†and that they chose God who are standing on the pedestal. Clothed in their own self righteousness. Accusing the brethren. Denying God’s word.


God bless you!

 

[cj]

I have stayed away from this thread for a while as I found that Litebeam was attempting to draw me into a dark discussion, and I wanted no part of it.

From his opening state, seen below, my heart sank at the most blatant lie concerning my person.

It really is a very very sad testimony to the degraded condition of Litebeam. And to be honest, when I was innitially confronted by this first sentence, I felt defeated towards this person. I felt like saying "God, give this one to another."

But this is not how we overcome, is it.

No,.... we overcome by taking the way of the cross, bearing each other and enduring the attack in love.

cj

Your last post clearly states that you do not believe that God is Absolute Sovereign Lord Of All Creation, past, present and future.

Then allow me to make it clear that your conclusion of what I believe is wrong...... I fully believe that God is the absolute sovereign Lord of all creation, past, present, and future.

Now, if you think I have said something that contradicts this then let me know....

Litebeam says:

Who hardened Pharaoh’s heart? Pharaoh or God?

Exodus 14:8
The LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, so that he pursued the Israelites, who were marching out boldly.

You say men harden their hearts. God’s word says it is God who does it.




cj wrote:

This is absolutely untrue, you obviously do not know the bible as well as you think.




Litebeam asks:

Are you saying that Exodus 14:8 is absolutely untrue? How about this scripture?


Romans 9:18
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.


God’s word says He does it.

Never said that God does not harden men's heart, try reading what I said with a pure heart.

What I did say is that it is not just God who can harden a man's heart, but a man can harden his own heart.

And, I gave you the scripture that declares this.

But perhaps your heart has been hardened to the point of blinding you sight.

Litebeam says:

Not only do you disagree with God’s word on the subject, you declare that God [ of infinite wisdom and intelligence ]makes Himself out to be a fool if He doesn’t conform to your limited understanding.

You are saying God did not know that Adam and Eve would disobey Him. Therefore He is not The Absolute Sovereign Lord Of All Creation past, present and future. Therefore Adam and Eve had free will and so do you.


I am not making any false statements. Just pointing out how you contradict yourself and God’s word. As well as how you are denying what you are declaring. That God is not Sovereign and that you claim free will.

You speak the confusion that is your reality, and thus make no sense.

It isn’t those who know that God is Absolute Sovereign Lord and that He does the choosing that are standing on a pedestal.

It is the majority who believe they have “free will†and that they chose God who are standing on the pedestal. Clothed in their own self righteousness. Accusing the brethren. Denying God’s word.

See if you can follow the line that reveals you own hypocrisy......

"It isn’t those..... that are standing on a pedestal."

"It is the majority who believe they have “free willâ€Â........ Clothed in their own self righteousness."

"Accusing the brethren..."


Your words expose your own accusing heart...... hypocrite.


And you don't even know it, as the darkness in you is absolute.


In love,
cj

 

[Litebeam]

Cj


Mar 10:5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.



This in no way says that man hardens His own heart only that men have hardened hearts. You do realize that you are arguing against God’s Absolute Sovereignty again?







Cj wrote:

What I did say is that it is not just God who can harden a man's heart, but a man can harden his own heart.





Litebeam wrote:

Again you deny that God is Sovereign.







Litebeam wrote:
cj

Your last post clearly states that you do not believe that God is Absolute Sovereign Lord Of All Creation, past, present and future.





Cj wrote:

Then allow me to make it clear that your conclusion of what I believe is wrong...... I fully believe that God is the absolute sovereign Lord of all creation, past, present, and future.

Now, if you think I have said something that contradicts this then let me know....





Litebeam wrote:

You continually deny that God is Sovereign and then deny denying it.




cj wrote:

Follow this,..... did you wake up this morning determined to sin and having God's approval to do so? No right. But sin happens.



Litebeam wrote:

God knows what each of us will do every day.



I’m sorry to see that you are still in denial and still throwing accusations around. So I am blind and a hypocrite according to you. I suppose that’s what I get for trying to help you see the truth. I pray you will learn better than to judge others cj.



I am sorry if I have offended you, this is never my intention. I myself am not offended by your accusations. All is forgiven at my end and I pray you will find it in your heart to forgive me as well.



God bless!

 

[cj]

Deuteronomy 15:7, "If among you there is a needy one amidst your brothers within any of your gates in your land, which Jehovah your God is giving you,....... you...... shall not harden...... your heart....... and you shall not close up your hand from your needy brother;"

1 Samuel 6:6, "Why then...... should you..... harden your hearts...... as the Egyptians and Pharaoh hardened their hearts? When He had dealt severely with them, did they not let the people go, and they went?"

Psalms  95 : 7 ---- Psalms  95 : 8, "For He is our God, And we are the people of His pasture And the flock of His hand. Today, if you hear His voice,...... do not harden....... your...... heart...... as at Meribah, As in the day of Massah in the wilderness;

Hebrews 3:8, "Do not.... harden..... your..... hearts.... as in the provocation, in the day of trial in the wilderness,"

Hebrews 4:7, "He again designates a certain day, today, saying in David after so long a time, even as He has said before, "Today, if you hear His voice,..... do not harden.... your.... hearts.''

This in no way says that man hardens His own heart only that men have hardened hearts. You do realize that you are arguing against God’s Absolute Sovereignty again?

No, but I realize that I speaking with a person who has hardened their heart towards the truth of God's scriptures.

You continually deny that God is Sovereign and then deny denying it.

I’m sorry to see that you are still in denial and still throwing accusations around. So I am blind and a hypocrite according to you. I suppose that’s what I get for trying to help you see the truth. I pray you will learn better than to judge others cj.

You are showing me no truth Litebeam, only the lie of the enemy in your weak understand of scripture.

As for "judging" you,.... this is the ploy of those who have been exposed as having little truth, they quickly make a declaration of "being judged".

Why don't you stop hiding behind the skirts of this weak and false declaration and deal with the verses that clearly tell us that men can harden their own hearts.

I am sorry if I have offended you, this is never my intention. I myself am not offended by your accusations. All is forgiven at my end and I pray you will find it in your heart to forgive me as well.

You haven't offende me Litebeam, the source of your darkness has already been dealt with by our Lord, on the cross. My only desire is to encourage you into the reality of this truth.

In love,
cj

 

[Litebeam]

cj


Did you see this part of Hebrews 4:7? "Today, if you hear His voice,..... do not harden.... your.... hearts.''


Until we are born again of God’s Spirit our hearts are hardened. We are in rebellion against God.


We are told not to sin, yet most do.


You continue to argue against God being Absolute Sovereign Lord Of All Creation, past, present and future.





Cj wrote:

Why don't you stop hiding behind the skirts of this weak and false declaration and deal with the verses that clearly tell us that men can harden their own hearts.





You keep implying that men choose. So which is it The Absolute Sovereign Lord of All Creation, past, present and future or men having free will?

You can’t seem to make up your mind.


It is only when we are enabled by God and truly born again that we choose to put God’s will ahead of our own wants and desires.



I am glad I haven’t offended you. However, it seems your intent is to cause me to become offended. This is easily discerned by your constant accusations and derogatory statements.


You just want to shuffle it off like it is not relevant. It seems that me bringing it to your attention hasn’t convinced you to stop.


It is not a quick assertion on my part. Your belittling comments and judgement of me is prevalent throughout nearly all your posts.


Do you not know you are disobeying God’s word when you judge others?




Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.


Matthew 7:1-3
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.


Matthew 7:1-3
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.



Will you deny that you have a serious problem?

You can’t help it can you? You poor dear!



God bless!

 

[cj]

Okay Litebeam, lets show you your ignorance of scripture.......

And I mean this in a good way, in other words, from your speaking below..... your speaking, not anyone else's speaking, you will clearly see that what you say and what scripture says is not the same thing.

You may think you have a grasp of the truth contained in certain scripture verses, but based on your speaking in this thread, it is clear that you don't.

Now, also understand this....... right at this point in time, right as you read what I write to you, you have a choice to make, that of hardening your heart to the truth in God's word, or that of hardening your heart to the truth in God's word.

And this choice that you make is a choice out of your will, not God's will Litebeam.... your will.


So lets look at your error, and the truth that opposes your error.....

cj

Did you see this part of Hebrews 4:7? "Today, if you hear His voice,..... do not harden.... your.... hearts.''

Until we are born again of God’s Spirit our hearts are hardened. We are in rebellion against God.

Absolutely our hearts are hardened against God, and absolutely we are in rebellion against God,........... but was Enoch not an unsaved man, Noah also? And what about Abraham, Issac, Joseph, Samuel, David, Elijah, Daniel, Isaiah, and many others, including the seven thousand that God declared as having reserved for Himself, those who had not bowed their knee to Baal or kissed him? And what of John the Baptist, Mary, and the disciples who had followed Jesus, were the hearts of these "hardened" against Him? Surely not.... and yet you make this unscriptural statement that "Until we are born again of God’s Spirit our hearts are hardened. We are in rebellion against God."

This statement of your's is absolutely unscriptural, and thus expose your ignorance of the truth contained in scriptures.

In fact, the very verse from Hebrews that you use as support for your speaking actually condemns your speaking..... why? Because it is taken from something that was said in the old testament scripture, it is taken from Psalms 95:8.

So I wonder, are you calling God a fool and a deceiver for telling the Jews of the old testament time, that they should not harden their hearts? For He would be if He spoke this to them while knowing that there was not one who could.

No Litebeam, God is neither a fool nor a deceiver,.... for God fully knew that He had given it to men to be able to make a choice of heart for Him or against Him.


Yet, the most important thing here Litebeam is that you come to see that your scripture understanding is poor, for if you don't, unknowingly your heart will (perhaps in certain aspects more than others) hardened to God, even though you are saved.

And yes, a saved man can still have a hardened hear..... see, the verse from the book of Hebrew that you quote..... was written to saved believers. The writer of Hebrews was speaking to saved believers regarding the hardening of their heart towards the things of God.

And in this we find error #2 of your's from your above speaking..... that of your declaring "Until we are born again...... of God’s Spirit our hearts are hardened."

This is also not true, it is not scriptural. The fact is, when we are born-again we are rebirthed in our spirit, we are given a new spirit, but not a new heart. A new heart is gained by transformation and regeneration..... over time and through some suffering (the denying of the old man by taking the way of the cross).

And yes, if you want we can discuss this in scriptural detail, as the entire NT speaking is all about God's economy for the transforming of a man's heart.

Litebeam, God saves us by giving us an absolutely new spirit, one in which He dwells. But God requires a believer to respond to this gift by acknowledging that our new life is found in our spirit as God is in our spirit and He is the source of life. And by appreciating this reality by being open to God in our spirit so that He can flow as life out of our spirit into our heart (which is made up of a man's mind, emotion, will, and conscience), transforming it "through the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit," (Titus 3:5).

The Greek word for regeneration used here, refers to a change from one state to another. Being born again is the commencing of this change. The washing of regeneration begins with our being born again and continues with the renewing of the Holy Spirit as the process of God's new creation, a process that makes us a new man. It is a kind of reconditioning, remaking, or remodeling, with life. Baptism (Rom. 6:3-5), the putting off of the old man, the putting on of the new man (Eph. 4:22, 24; Col. 3:9-11), and transformation by the renewing of the mind (Rom. 12:2; Eph. 4:23) are all related to this wonderful process. The washing of regeneration purges away all the things of the old nature of our old man, and the renewing of the Holy Spirit imparts something new  the divine essence of the new man  into our being. In this is a passing from our old state into a wholly new one, from the old creation into the status of a new creation. Hence, both the washing of regeneration and the renewing of the Holy Spirit are working in us continually throughout our life until the completion of the new creation.


Litebeam, all believers need to be clear that although we might be saved in one sense, there is another aspect of our being saved in our heart, one that takes time and needs a certain type of response from us.

Therefore, the fact is, scripture does not say what you think it says.

You need to be very concerned about this, that you are in fact in error in much of your understanding of the truth of what scripture does actually say.

For if you are in error with these two verses, how much more verses are you in darkness concerning.

We are told not to sin, yet most do.

Even born-again believers.... thus proving that our hearts have not been fully saved unto God.

You continue to argue against God being Absolute Sovereign Lord Of All Creation, past, present and future.

No, it is you who continue in abject darkness concerning God's truth, and thus make silly statements such as that above.

Additionally, you ignorance of the truth contained in scripture exposes you as not truly believing that what you accuse me of..... your lack of scriptural understanding exposes you as not believing that God is sovereign.

And this is why, men sin because in our heart we do not fully believe that God is sovereign. Oh yes, we make all sorts of wonderful declarations of Him being sovereign.... just as we make a sorts of wonderful declarations of loving Him..... and yet, we still sin, and sin is simply an anti-God declaration on our part.

You keep implying that men choose. So which is it The Absolute Sovereign Lord of All Creation, past, present and future or men having free will?

Again, we see you darkness......... for the answer is not in the "which", the answer is in "both".

Litebeam, in the moing of the Ark of the Covenant we have a perfect type of what has been brought in by God in His NT...... God moved on the earth by men who worked with Him in His move.

Or in other words, God in His ark, was carried around by the legs of men. And these legs moved as a result of the will of men to serve God.

In this picture of the ark of God being carried by men, we see the perfect type of what God is after in and through men.

But to understand this one must have light concerning the economy of God, something I believe you know very little about.

You can’t seem to make up your mind.

Oh, be at peace, I'm quite clear about what I'm speaking.

It is only when we are enabled by God and truly born again that we choose to put God’s will ahead of our own wants and desires.

Funny..... even you can't get away from the "we choose" reality of our relationship with God. Even in your error there still can be found some hope of the truth.

I am glad I haven’t offended you. However, it seems your intent is to cause me to become offended. This is easily discerned by your constant accusations and derogatory statements.

No Litebeam, if you are offended it is because in your heart you have not been fully reconciled to God.

For if a man has God, what is there on earth that can offend this man?

Nothing.

The fact is, my statements are not derogatory, as my motive is not to deceive but to enlighten and thus build up.

For everything that I have said to you there is a perfectly acceptable dictionary definition that allows the use of these words in the content of a perfectly reasonable, though strong, discussion of a matter. Such as we have here.

You just want to shuffle it off like it is not relevant. It seems that me bringing it to your attention hasn’t convinced you to stop.

No, I am most certainly not "shuffling" anything. In fact, I give great consideration to the words I use and the way I phrase my sentences.

And, I will not allow anyone with whom I'm having a discussion, the space to invoke distracting and deceiving speaking, such as your repeatedly saying "You continue to argue against God being Absolute Sovereign Lord Of All Creation, past, present and future."

The truth is, this sentence of your has absolutely no credibility, and yet you attempt to give it credibility by placing it in our discussion.

Forgive me Litebeam, but when confronted with this infant attempt to invoke a smoke-screen, I will stop and declare what it is.

And understand this, the more you do this the louder I will declare what it truly is.

It is not a quick assertion on my part. Your belittling comments and judgement of me is prevalent throughout nearly all your posts.

Grow up.

There, more fodder for your unwarrented accusations.

And as for my judging you, go back a few post and read again my response to your thought.

Only God judges Litebeam. Maybe the sense that you have is not from what I have said to you, but from what your conscience is saying to you.

Do you not know you are disobeying God’s word when you judge others?

Again, I'm not judging you, only God can judge.

You can’t help it can you? You poor dear!

Hmmmm...... and so you end with condescending hypocrisy, thus exposing your true condition to all.

Yet, how predictable, as this is the way of the scripturally unenlightened.


In love,
cj

 

[Litebeam]

cj


I see by your convoluted reasoning that you don’t see anything wrong with yourself and your judgemental attitude. It seems you believe it is quite all right for you to judge the brethren. Go ahead, see where it gets you.



You have the worldly knack of twisting things to fit your arguments.

You say the Lord is Sovereign and you say we have a choice out of our will not God’s will.


SO YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE FREE WILL, RIGHT?????


SO YOU DENY THAT GOD IS THE ABSOLUTE SOVERIEGN LORD OF ALL CREATION, RIGHT???




cj wrote:

Absolutely our hearts are hardened against God, and absolutely we are in rebellion against God,........... but was Enoch not an unsaved man, Noah also? And what about Abraham, Issac, Joseph, Samuel, David, Elijah, Daniel, Isaiah, and many others, including the seven thousand that God declared as having reserved for Himself, those who had not bowed their knee to Baal or kissed him? And what of John the Baptist, Mary, and the disciples who had followed Jesus, were the hearts of these "hardened" against Him? Surely not.... and yet you make this unscriptural statement that "Until we are born again of God’s Spirit our hearts are hardened. We are in rebellion against God."




These people were pre-crucifixion. We are post-crucifixion. Do you think that might have something to do with it?


No their hearts were not hardened because…..


Romans 9:18
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.


The Sovereign Lord chose them to do His will, enabled them to believe in Him and counted their faith as righteousness.


The point here is that God does the choosing, NOT US.


You believe man chooses not God as you keep stating over and over. Do you not realize you are arguing against yourself?


We are told not to sin and yet Jesus is the only one who lived a sinless life. Do you think this makes God a fool. It is no different than the hardening of hearts. You are the one declaring…..




Cj wrote:

So I wonder, are you calling God a fool and a deceiver for telling the Jews of the old testament time, that they should not harden their hearts? For He would be if He spoke this to them while knowing that there was not one who could.


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Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.


By ourselves we can do nothing! Do you see it?




Did you read the original post? Here’s a snip…..


God is the author and creator of every single event, every circumstance that allows men to “chooseâ€Â. He created all that is in the world from beginning to end. Every life, mind, thing on this planet. He is God Almighty!



I speak from an understanding that “choice†and “free will†are two different things.



CHOICE:

God is the author and creator of every single event, every circumstance that allows men to “chooseâ€Â. He knows what we will choose every time. He created our hearts. He created every single thing. Every circumstance, cause and event.



FREE WIIL:

Free will assumes we can actually supersede God's will and do what we want. That we can thwart His plans and He must respond to us.






The fact is cj your statements are derogatory, belittling and judgemental.

Your declaration that [ In fact, I give great consideration to the words I use and the way I phrase my sentences. ] only reinforces that you mean to degrade others. As does your lack of sincere apology.


You again declare that only God judges. Then why does God’s word tell us not to judge others? Why don’t these scriptures apply to you?

Perhaps the truth is not in you. Perhaps you are double-minded.




Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.


Matthew 7:1-3
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.


Matthew 7:1-3
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.



You deny God’s word. You judge and accuse others. Be honest, admit you have a problem. Then perhaps we can move on to other areas of discussion.


Be honest, admit that you claim free will.

Be honest, admit you believe your free will can supersede God’s will.

Be honest, admit you don’t believe God is the Absolute Sovereign Lord.



I see you believe in partial salvation.




Hebrews 4:7 was one of the scriptures you quoted when you were arguing against yourself and trying to tell me that men can harden their own hearts.

I was just wondering it you saw the part where it says: Today, if you hear His voice.




Just so you know. I turned away from sin some time ago. The good Lord has graciously answered my prayers and strengthens me to flee temptation and resist evil. The process of my regeneration is proceeding most wonderfully. I am growing up just fine.


God bless you!

 

[cj]

cj

I see....

No Litebeam, the problem we're having is that you don't see.

And this blindness I realize is caused by your intention to deceitfully perpetuate in the planting of a false allegation.

... by your convoluted reasoning that you don’t see anything wrong with yourself and your judgemental attitude. It seems you believe it is quite all right for you to judge the brethren. Go ahead, see where it gets you.

Once more, your speaking expose you as having little light as to what a judgemental attitude is, and what judging one's brethren entails.

You have the worldly knack of twisting things to fit your arguments.

That's funny..... maybe it is a knack to quickly spot and contend against Satan's deceitful speaking,..... double speak that has no biblical foundation.

You say the Lord is Sovereign and you say we have a choice out of our will not God’s will.

SO YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE FREE WILL, RIGHT?????

SO YOU DENY THAT GOD IS THE ABSOLUTE SOVERIEGN LORD OF ALL CREATION, RIGHT???

Back to your ignorant and misleading so-called questions....... I've responded to this on more than one occasion. Go back an see if you can figure it out for youself.

Or maybe you really can't because perhaps you also are ignorant to the meaning of the word "will".

cj wrote:

Absolutely our hearts are hardened against God, and absolutely we are in rebellion against God,........... but was Enoch not an unsaved man, Noah also? And what about Abraham, Issac, Joseph, Samuel, David, Elijah, Daniel, Isaiah, and many others, including the seven thousand that God declared as having reserved for Himself, those who had not bowed their knee to Baal or kissed him? And what of John the Baptist, Mary, and the disciples who had followed Jesus, were the hearts of these "hardened" against Him? Surely not.... and yet you make this unscriptural statement that "Until we are born again of God’s Spirit our hearts are hardened. We are in rebellion against God."


Litebeam said:

These people were pre-crucifixion. We are post-crucifixion. Do you think that might have something to do with it?

This folks is what you call a non-answer.

No their hearts were not hardened because…..

Romans 9:18
Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

The Sovereign Lord chose them to do His will, enabled them to believe in Him and counted their faith as righteousness.

The point here is that God does the choosing, NOT US.

You believe man chooses not God as you keep stating over and over. Do you not realize you are arguing against yourself?

We are told not to sin and yet Jesus is the only one who lived a sinless life. Do you think this makes God a fool. It is no different than the hardening of hearts.

Litebeam, now you are lying regarding what I say I believe and lying concerning scriptures.

Romans 9:18....... IS PRECEDED BY...... Romans 9:14 - 17....... so lets look at what is really being revealed by Paul, as opposed to the lie that you are attempting to impose on God's truth.....

(14 - 15) "What then shall we say? Is there unrighteousness with God? Absolutely not! For to Moses He (God says) says, "I will have....... mercy....... on whomever I will have..... mercy,....... and I will have...... compassion..... on whomever I will have...... compassion.''

God's mercy and God's compassion are the center thought of these verse, and not, as you would falsely attempt to imply, the matter of the hardening of a man's heart by God.

But in the typical way of Satan, in your blind pursuit of a false doctrine, you do what many do, you wrongly divide scripture so that the result can support your premise.

This is wickedness in God sight.

But lets continue, that the entire light found in these scripture verses might be released upon the lie, and thus terminate and destroy its intended deception.

(16) "So then it is not...... of him.... who wills,.... nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.[/quote]

".... OF HIM WHO WILLS,...."

Get it...... "OF HIM (the man)...... WHO WILLS (because the man can)"

The very scripture you would use in your lie denies your lie.

This is know in the game of basketball as a REJECTION.

But lets go on.....

(17 - 18) For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "For this very thing I have raised you up, that I might show in you My power, and that My name might be proclaimed in all the earth.'' So then He has mercy.... on whom He wills, and He hardens.... whom He wills."

Do you know what the phrase "ON WHOM" means Litebeam?

And what the word "WHOM" means?

Try this...... it does not mean "all".


But one needs to first be in the light so that one may receive mors light.


Once more........ REJECTED by your own example.

Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

By ourselves we can do nothing! Do you see it?

Oh, I see it..... but I see it in the light of "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit:

Get it?......... "He...... that....... abideth in me,"

Let me repeat...... "He...... that....... abideth in me,"

See Litebeam, this is called taking the Lord's speaking in context, something you don't do.

Did you read the original post? Here’s a snip…..

God is the author and creator of every single event, every circumstance that allows men to “chooseâ€Â. He created all that is in the world from beginning to end. Every life, mind, thing on this planet. He is God Almighty!

I speak from an understanding that “choice†and “free will†are two different things.

I'm all ears.......

CHOICE:

God is the author and creator of every single event, every circumstance that allows men to “chooseâ€Â. He knows what we will choose every time. He created our hearts. He created every single thing. Every circumstance, cause and event.

FREE WILL:

Free will assumes we can actually supersede God's will and do what we want. That we can thwart His plans and He must respond to us.

Litebeam, you just gave us erroneous definitions,..... really, they weren't definitions at all, just poorly present unbiblical personal opinions.

The truth is, in your above speaking you gave no definition of the word "choice", no insight as to what this "choice" that YOU SAID a man has.

What is this "CHOICE" Litebeam? Where is it made? How is it made? From what does it originate?

And the same goes for your speaking on the phrase "freewill".... you really have no clue. I doubt you even know what a will is, much less a "free" will.

The fact is cj your statements are derogatory, belittling and judgemental.

Only to the heart that is not center in God.

Many mistakenly think inward conviction is as a result of someone's judgemental character,..... but its not.

Lets use your speaking, but in a proper sense and where it is applicable.....

God arranges all the circumstances of our lives, even, our being confronted with what might seem to be a judgemental attitude of another.

Why? Why did God allow this?

Is it so we could in turn correct this person? Maybe,.... but how do we correct this person?

The answer..... we turn to God that He may rise up in us and do the correcting.

And in this, God's rising up in us as we turn to Him, we ourselves are saved out of the situation.

This is truth...... all situations have been allowed by God for our own profit, if........ we turn to Him an allow Him to respond accordingly.

It matters not who we face each day....... we can still grow in God no matter what.

Praise God for this great mercy.

You think I'm judgemental...... praise God, for He is placing me in your sight...... and thus must know you need to be confronted by me.

What you need to do is turn to God and ask Him, "Lord, that I may grow in you."

Your declaration that [ In fact, I give great consideration to the words I use and the way I phrase my sentences. ] only reinforces that you mean to degrade others. As does your lack of sincere apology.

You have spoke false and wicked doctrines on these boards Litebeam, I have simply strongly confronted you.

You have deliberately misquoted my speaking in order to deceive, I have simply disected your speaking that the truth of it may be seen.

Now lets look at some other scripture....

John 7:24, "Do not judge according to appearance,.... but judge the righteous judgment."

1 Corinthians 10:15, "I speak as to prudent men; you judge what I say."

1 Corinthians 11:13, "Judge this in your own selves: Is it fitting for a woman to pray uncovered to God?[/b]

We need the entire scripture to understand scripture Litebeam, not just little bits and pieces of it.

You again declare that only God judges. Then why does God’s word tell us not to judge others? Why don’t these scriptures apply to you?

Wonderful question...... really, the best question you've asked.

God's word tells us that we're both living and dead at the same time..... which is it?

God's word speaks of dying once and yet also speaks about the second death. How many times can a person die?

The answer, manward, is found in the view of God, the Mount Moriah, the view of Jah.

And what is it of man that is in God's view....... man's heart. For God knows the hearts of men.

On Mount Moriah, God declared to Abraham in Genesis 22:11....

"And the Angel of Jehovah called to him from the heavens and said, "Abraham, Abraham." And he said, "Here I am." And he said, "Do not stretch out your hand upon the boy, nor do anything to him;..... for now.... I know..... that you fear God, since you have not withheld your son, your only son, from Me."

God said.... "NOW I KNOW"...... I thought God knows everything.

And yet, in His own words, spoken by Him, He declared to Abraham,... "NOW I KNOW..."

So which is it?

Remember...... God is interested in man's heart. Or more specifically,.... what is the content of a man's heart.

Litebeam, the reality/principle of life simple declares as a fact. man is not able to judge anything. For man is not the source of life.

To judge something is only for Him who created this thing. But God say to men, do not judge others. Yet, even in the NT we see Paul, Peter, and John, passing judgement over others.

How come?

Because they were one with the Lord, and thus when they spoke, it was in fact God who was speaking.

What God is telling us is that in our hearts we should not seek to vainly judge anyone or anything, for all judgement is only with the true Judge of all things.

Perhaps the truth is not in you. Perhaps you are double-minded.

"Perhaps?"

No, for sure I'm double minded in many things.... for I am not yet perfected in all things.

I don't fool myself in this so much these day, and God is a good reminder of my weakness.

But I'm not condemned by what is still with me, for He who has save me and come to dwell in me is far greater than any weakness I have.

I know my hope, and believe God to be faithful.

Matthew 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged.

Matthew 7:1-3
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Matthew 7:1-3
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

All speaking to the heart of men.

The fact is Litebeam, there are very few, if any at all, who are void of judgemental thoughts.

And this is why we have the blood, and why we have the matter of forgiveness.

You deny God’s word. You judge and accuse others. Be honest, admit you have a problem. Then perhaps we can move on to other areas of discussion.

We've been moving on quite well..... for every word we speak is recorded in the heavens.

As for "admitting" anything, who are you to request this from me..... God?

Your own words destroy your credibility and judge you the hypocrite, and yet you are blind to this fact.

Be honest, admit that you claim free will.

Be honest, admit you believe your free will can supersede God’s will.

Be honest, admit you don’t believe God is the Absolute Sovereign Lord.

Honesty obviously means very little to you, as can be seen in the motive for your deceiptful speaking above.

I see you believe in partial salvation.

Oh Lord...... how can a blind man see Litebeam?

Only in vanity.

Litebeam, I believe in full salvation, body, soul, and spirit.

Something you seem to have no understanding of.

Hebrews 4:7 was one of the scriptures you quoted when you were arguing against yourself and trying to tell me that men can harden their own hearts.

I was just wondering it you saw the part where it says: Today, if you hear His voice.

Do you have an point to m

Just so you know. I turned away from sin some time ago. The good Lord has graciously answered my prayers and strengthens me to flee temptation and resist evil. The process of my regeneration is proceeding most wonderfully. I am growing up just fine.

So you're sinless huh...... good for you.

But honestly, that misleading thought is actually bad for you.

See, God uses the truth that we come to see in our old man, as a tool to drive us to Him.

But if we;re blind to our old man, it makes this tool that God uses pretty much useless.

But fear not, for then there is the way of being disciplined after this life we have on earth.


In love,
cj

 

[Litebeam]

cj


There really is no need for you to tire yourself out with your convoluted interpretations of God’s word. I am quite familiar with worldly church doctrine. I have no need of the teachings of men. I assure you I have done my homework.



Psalm 71:17
Since my youth, O God, you have taught me, and to this day I declare your marvellous deeds.



Isaiah 50:4
The Sovereign LORD has given me an instructed tongue, to know the word that sustains the weary. He wakens me morning by morning, wakens my ear to listen like one being taught.




God’s Holy Spirit is my teacher and instructor. I am well schooled indeed. Praise the Lord!




As long as you refuse to acknowledge your judgemental, accusing ways the truth is not in you.

When you are ready to admit that you…..


-claim free will.

-believe your free will can supersede God’s will.

-don’t believe God is the Absolute Sovereign Lord.

…..perhaps I will be able to help you, if it is God’s will to use me so.



You have already declared that you have answered yes to these points in your posts, although it seems you are by no means ready to admit that you have.





Do you not know that God calls us to be Holy?



I am the Lord who brought you up out of Egypt to be your God; therefore be holy, because I am holy.
(Leviticus 11:45)

Speak to the entire assembly of Israel and say to them: Be holy because I, the Lord your God, am holy. (Leviticus 19:2)

Consecrate yourselves and be holy, because I am the Lord your God. Keep my decrees and follow them. I am the Lord, who makes you holy. (Leviticus 20:7-8)

But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: Be holy, because I am holy. (1 Peter 1:15-16)



God wouldn’t tell us to do something He wasn’t prepared to enable us to do, would He?






A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34)

We are to love others as God loves us. Even our enemies!!! This must lead to turning away from sin. I repeat, WE MUST TURN AWAY FROM SIN!!!!! It isn’t good enough to just keep saying we are sorry. If we are truly sorry we will STOP SINNING! God will enable us to flee temptation if we really want to.






cj wrote:

What is this "CHOICE" Litebeam? Where is it made? How is it made? From what does it originate?






Answer:

God is the author and creator of every single event, every circumstance that allows men to “chooseâ€Â. He knows what we will choose every time. He created our hearts. He created every single thing. Every circumstance, cause and event.



What comes out of a man is what makes him ‘unclean.’ For from within, out of men’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these things come from inside and make a man ‘unclean.’ (Mark 7:20-23)


Our hearts are being tested. We will be shown the truth of all scripture. We will be shown that without God we make very poor “choices†indeed.




The majority fail to see the difference between choice and free will. Only God’s elect understand that GOD IS THE ABSOLUTE SOVEREIGN LORD OF ALL CREATION, PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE. Everything is transpiring according to His will.




God really is in control of everything and everybody. We are not mindless automatons as some would claim. It is far more complicated than that.

We were created to do God’s will, not our own. The one true Living God, The Father of All Creation, The Lord God Almighty.

When we are eventually brought around to putting His will first and doing things His way, we begin to become like Jesus. The Son of God! Joint heirs with Christ. Rulers of God’s Kingdom for all the ages or times.



I understand free will doctrine quite well thanks…..



Free will assumes we can actually supersede God's will and do what we want. That we can thwart His plans and He must respond to us.



You are the one who thinks God doesn’t know what you will do next.

You are the one who declares that God doesn’t know everything.





At least you admit you are double minded. Some honesty on your part at last.



James 1:8
he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does.

James 1:7-9
Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.




It seems we are finally starting to get at the root of your problems. It isn’t God’s Spirit you are listening to. Is it?


Satan has the whole world fooled just like God said he would! If you are not doing God’s Will, you are doing Satan’s will. As God allows. Few are those that believe it though. How easy it is to forget that our so called “free will†is enslaved by sin!!!




That would explain your deceit, evasiveness, condemnation of others and accusing ways. Wouldn’t it?

But then, you would have to admit that you have indeed judged me according to appearance, that you have indeed judged me vainly in your heart or that you condemn and accuse others.

I can’t even get you to admit that you have declared over and over that you believe you have free will that supersedes God’s will and that God is not Sovereign Lord of All Creation.






I on the other hand….

.Isaiah 26:3
You will keep in perfect peace him whose mind is steadfast, because he trusts in you.






cj wrote:

The fact is Litebeam, there are very few, if any at all, who are void of judgemental thoughts.







Answer:

That is correct, it is only the minority who are truly Born Again of God’s Spirit. The elect of God. Those whom God has chosen and raised up to walk in His ways and do His will.



God bless!

 

[cj]

You are the one who thinks God doesn’t know what you will do next.

You are the one who declares that God doesn’t know everything.

At least you admit you are double minded. Some honesty on your part at last.

When you so openly will lie about what I have or have not said, it makes it very difficult to continue with you in any way, other than to expose you for what you are.

Nothing in what I have said in my posts could lead an honest person to the conclusions you have proferred, and even worse, your words show a definite intent to not only disregard what I have said, but add to it things that I did not say. This exposes a motive that has gone far beyond mere mischievous behavior, it expose a degradation into the foulness of Satan himself, one that is purely malicious and thus evil.

You are scripturally ignorant Litebeam, something that is most obviously seen in the very opening words of your last post....... once again.

You, and others like you can try and try to push my buttons in your pathetic attempts to turn me away fro the covering of the Lord.

But, what you fail to understand, as a result of the darkness into which you decend, is that he who you serve in your lying words has already been defeated, cast down, and terminated.

Understand this well, Satan and his lies, including such as we find in the false and folly universal reconciliation doctrine, is but in the throes of death.


Jesus said it well in John 8:44,

"You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks it out of his own possessions; for he is a liar and the father of it."

Recant the lie you spoke above and thus show yourself to be at the very least capable of some amount of honesty.


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

Here Litebeam presents the perfect example of a hypocrite......

It seems we are finally starting to get at the root of your problems.......... It isn’t God’s Spirit you are listening to. Is it?

The "judging".......

That would explain your deceit, evasiveness, condemnation of others and accusing ways. Wouldn’t it?

and yet more "judging".... and then the hypocrisy.....

But then, you would have to admit that you have indeed judged me according to appearance, that you have indeed judged me vainly in your heart or that you condemn and accuse others.

And then we have Satan's signature at the end of his work.......

I.......... on the other hand….

Yes Litebeam............ you certainly are true when you declare "I on the other hand..."

For it is what you speak out of...... your fallen I.


In love,
cj

 

[Litebeam]

cj


I don't tell lies. It is quite easy for anyone of sound mind to discern that you are not walking in God's ways or doing His will.


So.....



Satan has the whole world fooled just like God said he would! If you are not doing God’s Will, you are doing Satan’s will. Few are those that believe it though. How easy it is to forget that our so called “free will†is enslaved by sin!!!



Until we begin to draw near to God the last thing we want to hear is truth. The “spirit of fear†does a Hell of a job of making sure we don’t. We tend to get Angry, and Offended as soon as we come in contact with anything that could actually help us. Bitter and Spiteful.



Satan is a spirit like God, make no mistake, He is the Spirit of Fear, the Spirit of Bitterness, the Spirit of Un-forgiveness, the Spirit of Rebellion, the Spirit of Condemnation! The Spirit of Greed, The Spirit of Lust, The Spirit of Rage. Get the picture? He is the “Father of all Lies."


It is quite apparent by your judgement and your accusing, belittling ways, whose will you are doing. It sure isn't God's. God's word is quite clear that we are not to judge others, but that doesn't apply to you, you found a way around that. Didn’t you?

That sounds like how Satan operates too doesn't it? He likes twisting God's word to fit His purposes and He teaches His own to do likewise.



There are several meanings for the word judge. You use scriptures where the meaning is to “come to conclusion†to justify your condemning ways. Very sad, I pray you get over it.



Anyone of average intelligence can see in your posts that you deny God is Absolute Sovereign Lord of All Creation, past, present and future. That you declare God doesn't know everything and that you claim free will.


Why won't you admit it???




CJ WROTE:

Get it...... "OF HIM (the man)...... WHO WILLS (because the man can)"



God said.... "NOW I KNOW"...... I thought God knows everything.


And yet, in His own words, spoken by Him, He declared to Abraham,... "NOW I KNOW..."

[ Litebeam: Do you not understand the context? You use this statement to argue that God doesn’t know everything?? Then you get upset when I say you don’t believe God is Absolute Sovereign Lord of All Creation, past, present and future??? ]






CJ WROTE:

Follow this,..... did you wake up this morning determined to sin and having God's approval to do so? No right. But sin happens.



What I did say is that it is not just God who can harden a man's heart, but a man can harden his own heart.



And this choice that you make is a choice out of your will, not God's will Litebeam.... your will.







Litebeam wrote:

Is that enough? Half your arguments are against God being Absolute Sovereign Lord and declaring mans free will.

Perhaps it is not just the difference between “choice†and “free will†that you do not understand, but the difference between the Absolute Sovereign Lord Of All Creation, past, present and future and a sort of sometimes Sovereign God?





cj wrote:


Understand this well, Satan and his lies, including such as we find in the false and folly universal reconciliation doctrine, is but in the throes of death.






Litebeam wrote:

I take it you don’t believe that God can and will save everyone? Don’t you know that the Sovereign Lord of All Creation sent His Son to save the world? The whole world!


God bless!