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stigma, church attendance

I am/was mentally ill. My experience of some churches is that there's a real lack of understanding when it comes to my particular issues. I'm not saying the church should pamper me or whatever; that's not the issue. The issue is that I got the sense that I was regarded with suspicion for being unemployed, for having been crazy, for being surprisingly lucid (yet stigmatized), etc. etc. etc.

There are other categories of people who don't always fit it. (ex) homosexuals, (ex) drug users, poor people, minorities (in some churches...), the physically disabled. People with criminal backgrounds.

So, what's the solution, or is there one? For me, I'm thinking I'll give a small Pentecostal church a go soon (with my parents) and if that doesn't work out, maybe....OK, there is no plan B, lol. If the Pentecostal church doesn't work out, I'll have to do something.

What experiences have y'all had, if you're in the category of "the other," the one who doesn't fit in? If you're not in that category, how does your church deal with those who are?
 
I'm not in any of the categories that you mentioned but I've been in churches for a long time now, from upper leadership all the way down to just being Joe Pewsitter. What you are talking about is a big problem in a lot of churches. But I also see it as a big problem in society in general and always has been. I don't think it's a church specific issue at all. I'm sure you've seen the problem in the general public very well. Maybe you thought that this shouldn't happen in churches, and you are right. But churches are made up of the same people that are in the general population and they bring the same problems into the church with them. It's a constant fight, and I've seen some people treated horribly in comparison to how Jesus taught us to behave. I wish I had an answer for it.

Just don't forget, socializing with the people isn't your only, or your main reason for going to church. The main reason is to worship God. All I can say is to try to focus on that and try to ignore the other problems. I know that's not much of a solution. I wish I had a better one.
 
You're right. I'm not trying to come down hard on churches or anything, just talking about my own experiences and what I've heard about with others.
 
You're right. I'm not trying to come down hard on churches or anything, just talking about my own experiences and what I've heard about with others.
I fit one of those,i would say they do at some churches. im in a weekly meeting that addressing a lot of that listed.
 
That's a definite failing of the church, but you're not there for that, or to judge them, as noted already. SO just do your thing and set an example as good as you can.
 
You will find Pharisees in almost every Church out there. It's sad that people can not see past that which is in the past or that of changes within one being made, but yet lack that of uplifting and edifying one another. Just ask the Holy Spirit and he will direct you to where you need to be.
 
I am/was mentally ill. My experience of some churches is that there's a real lack of understanding when it comes to my particular issues. I'm not saying the church should pamper me or whatever; that's not the issue. The issue is that I got the sense that I was regarded with suspicion for being unemployed, for having been crazy, for being surprisingly lucid (yet stigmatized), etc. etc. etc.

There are other categories of people who don't always fit it. (ex) homosexuals, (ex) drug users, poor people, minorities (in some churches...), the physically disabled. People with criminal backgrounds.

So, what's the solution, or is there one? For me, I'm thinking I'll give a small Pentecostal church a go soon (with my parents) and if that doesn't work out, maybe....OK, there is no plan B, lol. If the Pentecostal church doesn't work out, I'll have to do something.

What experiences have y'all had, if you're in the category of "the other," the one who doesn't fit in? If you're not in that category, how does your church deal with those who are?


Eunuchs were looked down on too by the congregation, they were different. This is what the Lord says to them and to you and to me, as the daughter of the stranger.

Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
 
Been wondering, how does one get rid of the stigma of mental illness and manage to get treated like a normal person again? Not only in church, but everywhere. I'm mentally ill but I want to be treated and trusted like a nomal person. (Maybe that's too much to ask?)
 
Been wondering, how does one get rid of the stigma of mental illness and manage to get treated like a normal person again? Not only in church, but everywhere. I'm mentally ill but I want to be treated and trusted like a normal person. (Maybe that's too much to ask?)

How do you react when people treat you like a normal person?
Some people are just not nice people and they don't treat other people well. They treat normal people badly. They hurt feelings, are inconsiderate, and sometimes are bullies.

imo...
So how we react on these occasions is what gives people the impression if one can be trusted or not.
In other words trust is earned. Forgiveness should always be there but not necessarily trust.
 
How do you react when people treat you like a normal person?
Some people are just not nice people and they don't treat other people well. They treat normal people badly. They hurt feelings, are inconsiderate, and sometimes are bullies.

imo...
So how we react on these occasions is what gives people the impression if one can be trusted or not.
In other words trust is earned. Forgiveness should always be there but not necessarily trust.

Yeah you are right trust must be earned. "Normal" people need to earn others' trust, too.

But if you act reasonable and trustworthy 90% of the time, but crazy and "mentally ill" 10% of the time you'll be treated like a nut job (or at least like someone unworthy of responsibility) 100% of the time. And even if I'd stop acting crazy from now on it'd take year to convince people. And one single relapse would ruin years of being sane. It's impossible to lose the stigma. *sigh*
 
Yeah you are right trust must be earned. "Normal" people need to earn others' trust, too.

But if you act reasonable and trustworthy 90% of the time, but crazy and "mentally ill" 10% of the time you'll be treated like a nut job (or at least like someone unworthy of responsibility) 100% of the time. And even if I'd stop acting crazy from now on it'd take year to convince people. And one single relapse would ruin years of being sane. It's impossible to lose the stigma. *sigh*

Are you sure about that?
Maybe some would take that long and some may not. Don't forget the Lord can do amazing things and does for His children. Tell Him the desires of your heart. Leave it to Him to work in the hearts of those around you.
 
Yeah you are right trust must be earned. "Normal" people need to earn others' trust, too.

But if you act reasonable and trustworthy 90% of the time, but crazy and "mentally ill" 10% of the time you'll be treated like a nut job (or at least like someone unworthy of responsibility) 100% of the time. And even if I'd stop acting crazy from now on it'd take year to convince people. And one single relapse would ruin years of being sane. It's impossible to lose the stigma. *sigh*
Sadly It's probably that "crazy and "mentally ill" 10% of the time" that causes the problem. I mean, if you think about it, if I (just for example) trust you to be responsible for something important on a daily basis 5 days per week, that means about once ever two weeks I get disappointed. If it's something important, that kind of leaves me with no choice but to find someone else to do it. I wish it weren't that way, but sadly it just is. :-(
 
Christ_empowered, have you considered that all Christians are not in the same state of growth as another? Do you wear a walking billboard advertising you are/were crazy? Some are not ready and are but babes in Christ. Learn to grow in grace to tolerate differences. I believe you mentioned the fact your parents didn’t attend church as they once did; this might be the very thing to show your growth or light of the Lord. Don’t look for bad, but good. Enjoy the worship if anything.

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

If a brother or sister in the Lord has been overtaken in a fault (A sinful act) that may seemingly destroy their and other’s lives, did you try your very best to get beneath them and restore them to their feet or place in the assembly with love, tenderness and understanding because you have been in the same condition or worse? Did you try to lift them with the same consolation we received from the Lord when He lifted every one of us out of a horrible pit, or did you allow that stinking pious self-righteous Christian Pharisee-like stench in the nostrils of God spiritual pride to get in the way. Have you ever said, I forgive you and still love you, But ? ? ? Are ye not yet carnal or babes in Christ? (1 Corinthians 3:3)
 
Since I posted this, I've gone to the AoG church directory (its searchable by zipcode!) and found a small-ish church I'm interested in. My dad and I will probably be going this Sunday.
 
Since I posted this, I've gone to the AoG church directory (its searchable by zipcode!) and found a small-ish church I'm interested in. My dad and I will probably be going this Sunday.

That's great and it's great your Dad is going with you, too. I hope it works out so you can go.
 
Been wondering, how does one get rid of the stigma of mental illness and manage to get treated like a normal person again? Not only in church, but everywhere. I'm mentally ill but I want to be treated and trusted like a nomal person. (Maybe that's too much to ask?)

I have an idea. Claudya, you have a lot of brothers and sisters praying for you, and I'm sure that you pray for yourself. All of the "think positive" and optimistic betterment books and classes that are out there are correct, whether they are spiritually angled or not. Begin thanking the lord for your healing instead of asking for it. Begin telling yourself that you have been healed, whether or not you may perceive that more healing is necessary. Stop talking negatively about yourself, to yourself and others. Especially in your circle of real life people that you must deal with for life issues like work and so forth. You could easily come and explain to your brothers and sisters on the internet your day to day difficulties and request more prayer and so forth if needed (we all need it!), but not to yourself or your circle. Walk the walk, talk the talk, thank the Lord, and watch yourself improve. (The military teaches soldiers to be courageous by instructing them to "act" courageous, and this helps them to be so.) It works.

Understand that the spoken word is very powerful and what you speak you are. So speak of yourself as healed and act accordingly. Do not beat on yourself, think positive girl!

Read Eugene's post above. He is responding to CE, but the same wise words are totally applicable to you also. I'm going to pray that the Lord comes and performs spiritual surgery upon your heart and remove the bad things and supplant with goodness and healing for you. No one can do this for you except the Lord. Believe it, and receive it. The Lord can and will change you and you will be renewed and whole. This is what the Lord does. CE...you too brother. I pray for you too.

Bless you both! :)
 
Yeah you are right trust must be earned. "Normal" people need to earn others' trust, too.

But if you act reasonable and trustworthy 90% of the time, but crazy and "mentally ill" 10% of the time you'll be treated like a nut job (or at least like someone unworthy of responsibility) 100% of the time. And even if I'd stop acting crazy from now on it'd take year to convince people. And one single relapse would ruin years of being sane. It's impossible to lose the stigma. *sigh*
Dear Sister Claudya, yours is a question we all face. Many things in my life near led me to destruction but for the grace of God. Things in the closet; oh yeah, but God brought me out of the fire and stood with me in them. As I look back it is surely God that has led me in the paths of righteousness for His name’s sake.

Attempting to build credibility I put forth a front of righteousness to others that was truly not what I was within. I’ll just illustrate while attempting to remember and repeat some of the things you’ve said. Having a temper you acted as a four year old, you told others off, and best of all you cut yourself. It must be evident cutting is a learned reaction possibly due to lack of self control much like the child throwing a tantrum. In my case I would put my fist through a wall or refrigerator; boy, that sure helped don’t you think? In Christ we have power over our actions.

Now there is the one such as the lunatic of Mat 17:15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water. And in Mat 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour.

I’ve dealt with true mentally ill, and also with those that are afflicted of Satan’s work. Praying for one dear sister we all including her husband saw her blouse raise into the air as something left her body. Satan would have destroyed her were it possible, but in prayer Jesus rebuked him. Now she was healed at that very moment, but she could have returned to destructive behavior she formerly practiced. Certain things such as drugs were never overcome as far as I know, but with Jesus now she is in the everlasting arms.

When you mention certain reactions you’ve displayed you’re not pleased with, it is something you can learn to work on, and must to have the acceptance of others you desire. I am presently working with a young diagnosed bipolar man I helped get released from prison, and he does have real battles, but he is learning, is holding a job, and hopefully will have a real life ahead of him.

God bless you in Jesus’ name.
 
Sadly It's probably that "crazy and "mentally ill" 10% of the time" that causes the problem. I mean, if you think about it, if I (just for example) trust you to be responsible for something important on a daily basis 5 days per week, that means about once ever two weeks I get disappointed. If it's something important, that kind of leaves me with no choice but to find someone else to do it. I wish it weren't that way, but sadly it just is. :-(

You'd need somebody else only during those ten percent of the time. Responsibility is important for a happy life, at least it is for me. So because of 10% dysfunction I should be rejected happiness altogether? Many people that have no mental diagnosis are failing their duties and others' expectations just as often but find excuses and will be accepted that way because failing is human or whatever. But a mental diagnosis is like a label saying that I am dysfunctional altogether although most of the time my behaviour is normal (else I wouldn't be here, but institutionalised).

Also I noticed that when given responsibility I function rather well. Much better than in some protected environment for mentally ill. The environment is rubbing off. Also, the expectations others have are somewhat defining how I behave. That's normal, most people adapt to their surroundings like that, but even more so people with my disorder. If people just don't know what's wrong with me and thus treat me as if I was normal I behave much more normal than if they know I'm disturbed and try to protect me and go easy on me or excuse my off behaviour.
Last year the worst time I had was in summer when I was in a mental hospital and couldn't make it through a single day without self harm or outward aggression. But the best I did in that year was during a christian summer camp only two weeks after the release from hospital when I (together with another guy) was in charge of a part of the camp site that "housed" like 80 people. I felt awesome, was emotionally stable, did my job and had lots of fun with the great people in our camp site village, despite the large amounts of stress and pressure, except for a few week moments when I was really stressed.
I've often lost my temper in/ after church and attacked myself or others of my church - but only on sundays when I was a mere attendee. However, I always felt great when I was on sound tech duty (or some other meaningful part of the service) although it can get really stressful (depending how well organised and prepared the worship band is, you know how messy some musicians are...;-)) and I'm still a newbie in that business. But the responsibility actually makes me better adjusted because it makes my brain go into serene dependable adult mode for a few hours - because having some responsibility somehow suggests that I'm a dependable adult.

Oh well... I get what you mean, though.

The reason I posted in this thread was a conversation I had with a guy (a social worker who's job is to help people like me live an independent life despite illness) who told me that in his private life he's cautious when dealing with people of whom he knows they have or had mental issues, and although he doesn't want to stigmatise them he still doesn't feel as comfortable around them as he would feel around people who don't have such problems - even after years of apparent sanity.
So I was thinking about how many potential friendships I have destroyed over the years, and how many people that have experienced my dark side first hand will forever feel too uncomfortable around me to fully trust me and consider me a loyal dependable friend even if I never show the slightest symptom of craziness again.
Mental illness, not only the symptoms, but also the stigma related to it, creates distance between people and isolates the ill person from real friendship and trust. That's much more sad than not being trusted with a a certain job.

Sorry for hijacking the thread. It's an issue that's been on my mind and making me sad for the last few days.
 
Are you sure about that?
Maybe some would take that long and some may not. Don't forget the Lord can do amazing things and does for His children. Tell Him the desires of your heart. Leave it to Him to work in the hearts of those around you.

:)
Yeah you're right. Prayer is powerful.
Also seeking healing just so people treat me better is wrong. I can't actively/ directly change people's view on me. I can only try to be the best version of myself and leave everything else in God's hands.
But when there's particular people who's friendship you want to earn because they are awesome then it's hard to let go and wait on God.
 
Since I posted this, I've gone to the AoG church directory (its searchable by zipcode!) and found a small-ish church I'm interested in. My dad and I will probably be going this Sunday.

Awesome, I hope you will have fun and feel at home in that church! I pray God will arrange for you to encounter the right people to be friends with and support each other in walking God's path. :)
 
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