Telling lies for Jesus

[Kathi]

Oh Yes :yes

http://barbwire.com/2014/11/19/telling-lies-jesus-dealing-trolls/
Atheists, secularists, and even trolls pretending to be Christians, have learned how to attack Christians and seek to shut down their work – all in the name of tolerance of course. One major way in which they do this is by rehashing and regurgitating red herrings, straw men, and other logical fallacies as they object to Christian beliefs and practices.

They have turned this into an art form: raising silly objections which have no bearing on reality whatsoever. They will repeatedly claim that Christians believe something or do something, and when you point out to them that they don’t, they will just keep on making the same claims. It does not matter how many times you answer their questions and refute their false charges, they will just keep raising them again.

This happens all the time, and is a prime characteristic of the secular left. I experience this all the time. With so many examples to choose from, I could write a book on this. In one instance for example a secular left reporter from a secular left newspaper interviewed me about homosexuality.

She actually asked me the same question at least six times. Each time I would carefully answer, but because it was not to her liking, because it did not fit her agenda, and because it did not conform to her narrative, she just kept asking it. In other words, she was not the least bit interested in what I had to say, nor was she the least bit interested in truth. She simply was intent on pushing her agenda.


Read more at http://barbwire.com/2014/11/19/telling-lies-jesus-dealing-trolls/

 

[TOG]

That article makes some good points, but there's one thing I noticed about it. The TOS of this site state: "No Trolling. Do not make an inflammatory remark just to get a response." Trolling, at least here on this site, is defined as making a remark you know people will object to, just to get them to respond. The title of that article is "Telling lies for Jesus", but there's not one word in the entire article about that subject. In other words, The title is something that the author knew people would object to and he put it there just to get people to respond.

There are a lot of people who go around telling and/or spreading lies and rumors for Jesus. People seem to think that God needs our help, and whenever they run into some kind of problem, they make up things to justify or explain something in the Bible or make up fictitious events to get people to believe God is real, but they always end up doing more harm than good. Telling lies for Jesus is a real problem, but one that article doesn't address.

The TOG​

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

That article makes some good points, but there's one thing I noticed about it. The TOS of this site state: "No Trolling. Do not make an inflammatory remark just to get a response." Trolling, at least here on this site, is defined as making a remark you know people will object to, just to get them to respond. The title of that article is "Telling lies for Jesus", but there's not one word in the entire article about that subject. In other words, The title is something that the author knew people would object to and he put it there just to get people to respond.

There are a lot of people who go around telling and/or spreading lies and rumors for Jesus. People seem to think that God needs our help, and whenever they run into some kind of problem, they make up things to justify or explain something in the Bible or make up fictitious events to get people to believe God is real, but they always end up doing more harm than good. Telling lies for Jesus is a real problem, but one that article doesn't address.

The TOG​

I've never met anyone who would tell lies for Jesus because they wanted to.
But I've known many Christians who would tell lies for Jesus because they thought it was true.

 

[TOG]

I've never met anyone who would tell lies for Jesus because they wanted to.
But I've known many Christians who would tell lies for Jesus because they thought it was true.

That is probably true for most people. But somebody must have made those things up that aren't true, so what I said is also true of some people. And then there is also the question of how people react when they find out that stories they have been told and have told others are not true. I'm sure everybody here has heard that the high priest had a rope tied around his ankle when he went into the Holy of Holies on the Day of Atonement. As he moved around while performing his duties, the bells on his robe would ring. If the bells on the robe stopped ringing, then the people waiting outside would know he had died, because he went in unclean or did something wrong while he was in there, and they would use the rope to pull him out. There are a number of problems with that story. First of all, God stated very specifically how the high priest was supposed to be dressed that day, and he wasn't wearing the robe with the bells on it. Secondly, nobody else was allowed to be on the temple grounds - not even in the courtyard - while the high priest was in the Holy of Holies, so even if he had been wearing bells, there would have been nobody there to hear them, and nobody to pull him out. And third, this day was considered so important, that every year, the high priest would be in seclusion for an entire week studying the portion of the Torah concerning the Day of Atonement, so that he would do everything exactly as stated in the Bible when the time came. There is no mention of a rope in the Bible, and he would have been very careful to not add anything that wasn't written.

A few years ago, I was on a Christian forum and that story was mentioned by another member. I replied by pointing out the things I mentioned above, and that the story could not be true. Rather than accept what the Bible said, the other member became offended. He had heard that story from his pastor. Who was I to challenge this mans knowledge, who had many years of seminary training, while I had no formal training in the Scriptures? If people are shown that a story is false, and they refuse to even read the relevant section of the Bible to see if this is so, then, in my opinion, they are willingly "lying for Jesus".

The TOG​

 

[Jethro Bodine]

If people are shown that a story is false, and they refuse to even read the relevant section of the Bible to see if this is so, then, in my opinion, they are willingly "lying for Jesus".

The TOG​

I have seen this repeatedly in on line forums. I can generally tell when someone is just toeing the line for their denomination out of lack of education, and when they are defending arguments they know are not true but don't have the courage or the humility to admit are Biblically indefensible.

 

[Willie T]

That is probably true for most people. But somebody must have made those things up that aren't true, so what I said is also true of some people. And then there is also the question of how people react when they find out that stories they have been told and have told others are not true. I'm sure everybody here has heard that the high priest had a rope tied around his ankle when he went into the Holy of Holies on the Day of Atonement. As he moved around while performing his duties, the bells on his robe would ring. If the bells on the robe stopped ringing, then the people waiting outside would know he had died, because he went in unclean or did something wrong while he was in there, and they would use the rope to pull him out. There are a number of problems with that story. First of all, God stated very specifically how the high priest was supposed to be dressed that day, and he wasn't wearing the robe with the bells on it. Secondly, nobody else was allowed to be on the temple grounds - not even in the courtyard - while the high priest was in the Holy of Holies, so even if he had been wearing bells, there would have been nobody there to hear them, and nobody to pull him out. And third, this day was considered so important, that every year, the high priest would be in seclusion for an entire week studying the portion of the Torah concerning the Day of Atonement, so that he would do everything exactly as stated in the Bible when the time came. There is no mention of a rope in the Bible, and he would have been very careful to not add anything that wasn't written.

A few years ago, I was on a Christian forum and that story was mentioned by another member. I replied by pointing out the things I mentioned above, and that the story could not be true. Rather than accept what the Bible said, the other member became offended. He had heard that story from his pastor. Who was I to challenge this mans knowledge, who had many years of seminary training, while I had no formal training in the Scriptures? If people are shown that a story is false, and they refuse to even read the relevant section of the Bible to see if this is so, then, in my opinion, they are willingly "lying for Jesus".

The TOG​

Is this not true of a fairly large portion of things many of us believe are in the Bible? Or, need I add, what we believe them to mean if the actual words do appear in the Bible?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

We all seem to agree to disagree on certain issues.
That doesn't mean any of us are lying.
It means that we simply disagree on what is being said.

In the case of OSAS and non-OSAS, I've seen people on both sides use the same verses to make their case.
The same can be said pertaining to the rapture.
But nobody is lying, we just don't see eye to eye.

However, some people do lie because they don't want to admit that they might be wrong.
And others lie to sound impressive to the uninformed.

I have often humbled myself when I realize I have been wrong, but it bothers me when someone else refuses to do the same.
Some people just seem to think they know everything (not any of you who have answered to this thread of course, but "others").

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I got called on the carpet about making scripture not really mean what it says by a struggling believer/ unbeliever (not totally sure which). I thought I was doing God a service by defending the doctrines I had been taught, but which I knew in my heart did not add up scripturally. I have repented of doing that. Now teaching and defending the Bible is easy. I just go by what it says. All of it, not just parts of it taken out of context.

My best advice to my fellow brothers and sisters is to accept what the Bible says and roll with it. Don't be afraid to sugar coat things just to appease others. There's an answer for everything. We don't need to invent answers and explanations to make God look good. I've found that with this attitude I eventually receive the right things to say to people, and add to my own learning, about the hard, or seemingly contradictory things in the Bible.

 

[Willie T]

We all seem to agree to disagree on certain issues.
That doesn't mean any of us are lying.
It means that we simply disagree on what is being said.

In the case of OSAS and non-OSAS, I've seen people on both sides use the same verses to make their case.
The same can be said pertaining to the rapture.
But nobody is lying, we just don't see eye to eye.

However, some people do lie because they don't want to admit that they might be wrong.
And others lie to sound impressive to the uninformed.

I have often humbled myself when I realize I have been wrong, but it bothers me when someone else refuses to do the same.
Some people just seem to think they know everything (not any of you who have answered to this thread of course, but "others").

My wife keeps telling me (Reba says it, too) to just relax and accept where people are.... remembering that I was just as foolishly unseeing, once, as I accuse so many people of being....... Then, she says to remain aware that three or four years from now, I may consider myself a pure idiot for having believed what I believe right this second.

 

[Willie T]

God, Himself, is unchanging... but His word is new every morning. We seem to have revealed to us only that which we are ready for at the time.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

My wife keeps telling me (Reba says it, too) to just relax and accept where people are.... remembering that I was just as foolishly unseeing, once, as I accuse so many people of being....... Then, she says to remain aware that three or four years from now, I may consider myself a pure idiot for having believed what I believe right this second.

Yes, the wisdom of the women in our our lives.
How great that is.

 

[Willie T]

When we were first married, the old Jewish widow next door took my wife aside, and told her, "Remember, the man is the head of the family...... BUT, the woman is the neck, and the neck turns the head."

 

[for_his_glory]

This was a good article and the most important word in the whole article was, discernment. It's only how we are taught is how we believe as some maybe never study for themselves as they allow the pulpit to teach them and then you have those who are diggers in the word through the Holy Spirit teaching them. Each of us give what we feel is truth and will at times disagree with each other, but if one does not take the supporting scriptures others use to prove their point and study them for themselves, but only believe what the pulpit teaches then they can be deceived with a false gospel. Learn to discern, 1John 4:1-6.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

When we were first married, the old Jewish widow next door took my wife aside, and told her, "Remember, the man is the head of the family...... BUT, the woman is the neck, and the neck turns the head."

People with chronic headaches often find the source of their pain is in the neck muscles. Just saying.

 

[for_his_glory]

People with chronic headaches often find the source of their pain is in the neck muscles. Just saying.

Hey!!! I'm going to beat Reba to the this time

 

[jasonc]

That is probably true for most people. But somebody must have made those things up that aren't true, so what I said is also true of some people. And then there is also the question of how people react when they find out that stories they have been told and have told others are not true. I'm sure everybody here has heard that the high priest had a rope tied around his ankle when he went into the Holy of Holies on the Day of Atonement. As he moved around while performing his duties, the bells on his robe would ring. If the bells on the robe stopped ringing, then the people waiting outside would know he had died, because he went in unclean or did something wrong while he was in there, and they would use the rope to pull him out. There are a number of problems with that story. First of all, God stated very specifically how the high priest was supposed to be dressed that day, and he wasn't wearing the robe with the bells on it. Secondly, nobody else was allowed to be on the temple grounds - not even in the courtyard - while the high priest was in the Holy of Holies, so even if he had been wearing bells, there would have been nobody there to hear them, and nobody to pull him out. And third, this day was considered so important, that every year, the high priest would be in seclusion for an entire week studying the portion of the Torah concerning the Day of Atonement, so that he would do everything exactly as stated in the Bible when the time came. There is no mention of a rope in the Bible, and he would have been very careful to not add anything that wasn't written.

A few years ago, I was on a Christian forum and that story was mentioned by another member. I replied by pointing out the things I mentioned above, and that the story could not be true. Rather than accept what the Bible said, the other member became offended. He had heard that story from his pastor. Who was I to challenge this mans knowledge, who had many years of seminary training, while I had no formal training in the Scriptures? If people are shown that a story is false, and they refuse to even read the relevant section of the Bible to see if this is so, then, in my opinion, they are willingly "lying for Jesus".

The TOG​

I heard that story a few months ago.i never investigated that, so thanks.