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The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

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beloved57

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It accomplished the full salvation of all for whom it was for. Jesus said in His expiring moments these words Jn 19:30

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

In other words, something was finished, accomplished, performed. What exactly was it ? It was the saving of His People from their sins as predicted here Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

His death of atonement actually saved His People from their sins! None for whom He died can be lost !
 
I'm thinking this too.

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." Matthew 5:17 NKJV

Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures. Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." Luke 24:44-47

For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Romans 8:3-4 NKJV
 
WIP said:
I'm thinking this too.

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." Matthew 5:17 NKJV

Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.” And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures. Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." Luke 24:44-47

For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." Romans 8:3-4 NKJV
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beloved57 said:
It accomplished the full salvation of all for whom it was for. Jesus said in His expiring moments these words Jn 19:30

When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

In other words, something was finished, accomplished, performed. What exactly was it ? It was the saving of His People from their sins as predicted here Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

His death of atonement actually saved His People from their sins! None for whom He died can be lost !
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'It is finished' refers to Jesus' natural time on the earth, but not His full work of atonement that allows for our salvation. Jesus still needed to rise from the dead, continue to teach for forty days, ascend to Heaven, and send us the Holy Spirit before anyone could be saved. Anyone can die on a cross, but only God could do the things Jesus did after the cross, and these things were also necessary to save the world from sin.
 
beloved57 said:
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Well lets discuss it. What were the points I made with scripture ?
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I did discuss it.
I posted scriptures that prove that The blood atonement alone, is what God uses to justify, sanctify, and redeem a human, and thereby Salvation is completed.
Faith does not save, (righteousness comes by it),.... In other words Faith releases God to save us with the Blood Of Christ.
Our Faith is not the blood of Christ.
Our Faith is not the Savior.
Our Faith is the (required) transmission device that God reaches through to accept us, redeem us, and "Save" us.
 
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Jesus still needed to rise from the dead, continue to teach for forty days, ascend to Heaven, and send us the Holy Spirit before anyone could be saved.
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Do you have a scripture that says this ?
 
beloved57 said:
His death of atonement actually saved His People from their sins! None for whom He died can be lost !
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Hi Beloved. One must understand why God used the words He did (in Scripture) for man to understand what He accomplished in man's stead. Atonement is an OT word meaning to COVER. The blood of bulls and animals could never take away a mans sins. The OT sacrifice of ATONEMENT (to cover) did only that. It covered our sins for the guilt that the righteous OT saint had from their sins (a personal admission of guilt). In fact, the OT saint was admitting to God he knew himself to be a sinner because the LAW condemned him which was a heavy guilt that each righteous man carried. So the sacrifice of Atonement was an admission of guilt that was covered (not taken away) until the promised redeemer would come. (Heb. 9:11-15) If you will notice, Atonement is not used in the NT. Because the blood, (of The Christ of God) was the one and only eternal sacrifice needed for all times forever. With the OT Atonement's, the sins of the individual were still remembered, because they were only covered (Atoned). But with Christ, there should be no remembrance of the CONDEMNATION and GUILT of past sins. For Christ took them completely away, As far as the East is from the West. So in Christ, our sins are not Atoned for, but Christ is our (propitiation) our mercy seat. The blood of Christ is eternally sprinkled upon the mercy seat in the temple, that we have constant and continual access to the Father through the blood of Christ. There was NEVER any access to the father through Atonement, nor could there be. For we are sinless to the Father through the blood covered mercy seat of Christ. Now, a sinning saint will lose fellowship with the Father, but the mercy seat is always there, and upon repentance, fellowship is restored. (Rom. 3:21-31) (1 John 1:1-2:6)

 
Christ's death produces life, salvation as an accomplishment !


Mans religion doesnt believe this nor understand it, that Christ's death produces salvation fruit, the conversion of souls, its how He is Glorified ! Jesus said when close to the time of His death Jn 12:23-24

And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.


Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

Jesus here is describing how the Son of Man should be Glorified Vs 23. He is the corn of wheat in Vs 24 and He states what happens if it dies, signifying His death !

His death brings forth fruit, the fruit of salvation, the fruit of new life. Its just like when a farmer sows a seed of corn in the ground, what happens ? It brings forth fruit, life. The words bring forth in Vs 24 literally means to produce [to bring into existence; give rise to; cause:]

The New Birth is the result, product of Christ's death, hence believers are said to have been begotten again by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

The resurrection of Christ displays the fruit of His death, Life ! So those of us who are Truly Born again have Christ's death to Thank for that ! Our New birth is the fruit of His death !

Those false teachers who teach that Christ died for people who never are born again, do Christ's death a disservice, a injury, insult and injustice !
 
beloved57 said:
All thats nice but its an diversion from the point of the OP. Do you understand the point made in the OP ?
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Yes, I did understand it...It was good. All I did was explain why God used the words He did for a reason. God chose every word exactly the way He wanted it written to the exact letter. Of course that goes for the original Script of which we have some copies of. I understand your disappointment that you thought I was criticizing you, I was not, but it is so important that those of us who have been called to share our enlightenment with each other. Did you understand my post about the difference between (Propitiation and Atonement?) Rom. 3:25-26

 
beloved57 said:
In other words, something was finished, accomplished, performed. What exactly was it ? It was the saving of His People from their sins as predicted here Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

His death of atonement actually saved His People from their sins! None for whom He died can be lost !
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The Book of Hebrews explains what The Christ did in full. It also explains what it accomplished. Romans 15:8-13 explains why God said He came.
 
Jim Parker said:
What does it mean to be saved from one's sins?

He died for everyone. Does that mean that everyone is saved?
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Christ, those He died for are reconciled to God by His death, while they are enemies Rom 5:10, but some of mankind as being enemies, instead of being reconciled to God, they are under condemnation and wrath Jn 3:18,36. So He could not have died for everyone without exception, and no verse ever says that He did.

And the reason why everyone is not saved is simple, Christ did not die for everyone !
 
Douglas Summers said:
The Book of Hebrews explains what The Christ did in full. It also explains what it accomplished. Romans 15:8-13 explains why God said He came.
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The Christ I believe in came to seek and to save that which was Lost Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Now, when He said it is finished, that is what He finished by His death. Christ's Death saved them He died for, that is the Christ I believe in .
 
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
 
Douglas Summers said:
God chose every word exactly the way He wanted it written to the exact letter.
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That is an opinion without any evidence to support it.
In fact, since the Word of God is effective in any language, such a notion is shown to be unnecessary.
Douglas Summers said:
Of course that goes for the original Script of which we have some copies of.
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That is incorrect. There are no copies of the original writings in existence today.
And, since no one speaks ancient Hebrew of koine Greek, we read translations of copies of copies of the original writings.
 
beloved57 said:
Christ, those He died for are reconciled to God by His death, while they are enemies Rom 5:10, but some of mankind as being enemies, instead of being reconciled to God, they are under condemnation and wrath Jn 3:18,36. So He could not have died for everyone without exception, and no verse ever says that He did.

And the reason why everyone is not saved is simple, Christ did not die for everyone !
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That is John Calvin's limited atonement heresy.
Jhn 3:15-17... whoever believes in him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.

"The world", used 4 times in that passage, includes all of mankind. Jesus did not say, "For God so some of loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God sent the Son into some of the world, not to condemn some of the world, but that some of the world might be saved through him."

The reason why everyone is not saved is because not everyone believes.
Jn 3:18 He who believes in him is not condemned; he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
Jhn 3:36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him.
Mar 16:16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
Act 16:31 Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.
Rom 10:9 if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Calvin's notion that God would withhold salvation from some portion of mankind rather than offer it to all mankind makes God out to be a monster who saves some sinners and condemns others because they do not do what is impossible for them to do.

If that's the god you preach, I'm not surprised that people would stay away and be repulsed by such an angry monster.

The notion that God does not love ALL mankind denies that God is love. (1Jo 4:8, 16)
The notion that God does not desire ALL mankind be saved makes scripture false which says, "The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance." (2Pe 3:9)


 
beloved57 said:
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And the reason why everyone is not saved is simple, Christ did not die for everyone !
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For God so loved the World that he Gave His only begotten Son, that "whosoever".
"Whosoever", is defined as Jesus dying as a sacrifice for everyone (the WORLD)........but not everyone will have it.

Here is a couple of ways to think about it...
Salvation is a UNIVERSAL cure for the eternal judgment due our sin, but not everyone will take the cure, by Faith.
Sin is like a spiritual-terminal blood disease that all humans have as a wicked sickness.
Jesus's blood is the FREE Universal Holy Blood Transfusion that will cure everyone's wicked blood sin disease, = ALL who will take the transfusion by Faith.
Not all will.
 
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beloved57 said:
Those false teachers who teach that Christ died for people who never are born again, do Christ's death a disservice, a injury, insult and injustice !
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You are confusing Jesus' victory over death and being born again.
By His death and resurrection, Jesus destroyed the power of death.
The grave can no longer hold man forever because all will rise immortal and imperishable.
1Co 15:52-57 (RSV)
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable nature must put on the imperishable, and this mortal nature must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: "Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy victory? O death, where is thy sting?" The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

All mankind will be raised from the dead; no one will be left in the grave at the resurrection.
But not all of mankind will be born again. To be born again, one must be baptized in water and in the Spirit.

The false teacher is the one who says that Christ did not die for all mankind.
 
beloved57 said:
The Christ I believe in came to seek and to save that which was Lost Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Now, when He said it is finished, that is what He finished by His death. Christ's Death saved them He died for, that is the Christ I believe in .
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Yes, The same Jesus we worship, It's just that Hebrews gives a full explanation of who He was and what and why it had to be done.
 
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