The Book Among Feminists Groups Being Debated

[Claudya]

Books can have a harmfull (or beneficial) effect on many people. IO

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its a meme but it has a lot of truth for americans.

Hm, were did you go wrong? No idea, maybe it has something to do with the WWII being over? If you want all men to be drafted into the army again you should find someone to start another world war. Pretty sure my country would opt out this time, but maybe North Korea would?

More seriously. The two image are from completely different contexts. Compare one soldier to another soldier and things will look differently.

 

[jasoncran]

he is soft looking in appearance. flannel shirts? really? seldom do men where flannel.

 

[jasoncran]

uhm and the gear in the pic was used up to the 80's if we took thb1.taylor and posed him with his helmet and canteen cup of his era. no difference. I still have that type of canteen cup. the steel helmet was used until the early 80's.

 

[Claudya]

And soft looking is bad?
He looks a bit like a typical nerd.
Really can't tell if that's flanel. But even if, we had it in this thread before: don't judge a book by it's cover. Or a man by his shirt. In the most important moments he won't wear a shirt anyway.

 

[jasoncran]

now then if you are wondering why my avatar is of Minnie mouse. its because of jaci. im thinking about her and health. she loves Minnie mouse.

 

[jasoncran]

And soft looking is bad?
He looks a bit like a typical nerd.
Really can't tell if that's flanel. But even if, we had it in this thread before: don't judge a book by it's cover. Or a man by his shirt. In the most important moments he won't wear a shirt anyway.

don't over think it. soft as im to soft to work hard and weak minded. effimate which is a SIN in the bible.im not against nerds , why would I be? i am one, but lets be real. the concept here is that these men are too soft to weak and push overs. no woman would want them. my wife says I have some of that problem at times. she hates that.most women do. we in America have made man a wus and women too hard and cruel, in general.
i may have to go into the wussification of the military since the 90s.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Hm, were did you go wrong? No idea, maybe it has something to do with the WWII being over? If you want all men to be drafted into the army again you should find someone to start another world war. Pretty sure my country would opt out this time, but maybe North Korea would?

The ironic thing is, WWII is what gave feminism it's big push in the US.

Lot's of women entered the work place, working long hours and doing men's work and making big pay checks.

 

[Claudya]

don't over think it. soft as im to soft to work hard and weak minded. effimate which is a SIN in the bible.im not against nerds , why would I be? i am one, but lets be real. the concept here is that these men are too soft to weak and push overs. no woman would want them. my wife says I have some of that problem at times. she hates that.most women do. we in America have made man a wus and women too hard and cruel, in general.
i may have to go into the wussification of the military since the 90s.

Some qualities that you may consider "wussy" are quite attractive to be honest. Men who aren't afraid to admit that they are scared of something or struggling with something are awesome. Men that aren't afraid to cry or admit weakness are awesome.
One thing I really loved about my ex boyfriend was that he appointed me to be his protector and body guard. He was a bit scared outside in the dark while I wasn't, plus he counted on my karate skills. It went so far that I was the one looking after the source of an unknown noise at night on two occasions. Lucky for us noone ever attacked us. But I really loved being the protector.
He wasn't a effeminate guy btw, quite to the contrary. But he wasn't afraid of admitting his weaknesses.
Many old fashioned men would think that was wrong and a turn off for girls, but at least for me it wasn't a turn off.
I'd love to take the same role for my husband and my family some day.

Anyway I have o idea what is going on with the American men. What I'm observing here is that most men are capable to face their lives and behave in a manly manner. However many of them don't cling too much to their traditional roles. Same for women.
But I really don't think men in general are getting effeminate.

So could you point out what exactly you mean by effeminate? And what do you mean by women in general being too hard and cruel?

 

[Claudya]

The ironic thing is, WWII is what gave feminism it's big push in the US.

Lot's of women entered the work place, working long hours and doing men's work and making big pay checks.

Same thing happened here.
Except that women often still don't get the same pay check for the same work.

 

[jasoncran]

opening up and feeling and telling them about isn't what I meant. effimete meaning soft and lover of men , but the nature of that was that one was groomed to be male version of a woman. the modern femminists has women acting just as horrible as man did to them.

yeah you loved being the protecter. point made. its not for women do to that.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

...the modern femminists has women acting just as horrible as man did to them.

This is probably the main thing I detest about feminism--the hypocrisy. I don't see it being played out in real life as 'power neutral'. I see it in actual practice as the women insisting they do not have to have any consideration for the male when making decisions concerning themselves. Which is the very thing they say is wrong with the Biblical model of male authority.

Apparently it really isn't about equality. It's showing itself to be about women being over males in the same way they perceive that males are over them. A switching of roles, not a meeting in the middle on the roles of men and women in relationships.

 

[jasoncran]

This is probably the main thing I detest about feminism--the hypocrisy. I don't see it being played out in real life as 'power neutral'. I see it in actual practice as the women insisting they do not have to have any consideration for the male when making decisions concerning themselves. Which is the very thing they say is wrong with the Biblical model of male authority.

Apparently it really isn't about equality. It's showing itself to be about women being over males in the same way they perceive that males are over them. A switching of roles, not a meeting in the middle on the roles of men and women in relationships.

I agree, it has made it worse for both men and women. it would be all for if they said he will we submit but you best treat us better. which is better? to have a marriage and both work for things while pawning off the kids so that they can have things? or one working and the other taking the kids and raising them? homeschooling is a sacrifice of this nature and the kids are much better off for this.

 

[WordsintoHarmony]

Claudya can you please go back to post 37 and reply to my post.. I have asked you questions in it. You may not have seen this because it's on page 1 and this now page 2.

 

[reba]

The American culture has spent much time and energy feminizing the male... Working to blend the male and female ,IMO we should celebrate the differences .... football is becoming sissy and now the baseball catcher cant block home plate? satan takes small bites, little bites that get justified...in little insignificant ways trying to destroy the Creators creation.


We seem to fight God's ways and plans so often... He is the Creator , He knows the hows and ways of His creation and what is best....

 

[jasoncran]

The American culture has spent much time and energy feminizing the male... Working to blend the male and female ,IMO we should celebrate the differences .... football is becoming sissy and now the baseball catcher cant block home plate? satan takes small bites, little bites that get justified...in little insignificant ways trying to destroy the Creators creation.


We seem to fight God's ways and plans so often... He is the Creator , He knows the hows and ways of His creation and what is best....

looking back at my army carreer I see that so well.

I know when I was in the cav, I could get away with saying this. we aren't women who cower in fear from danger but are MEN we run to it. if I said that in my unit the females would complain. in the cav im sure it would be said to me about that too. yet no woman is in the cav.

 

[reba]

Eph_5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Eph_5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
Col_3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.
Col_3:19 Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them.
1Ti_3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
Tit_2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Tit_2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
1Pe_3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives;
1Pe_3:5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands:
1Pe_3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

Pro 31:10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
Pro 31:11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
Pro 31:12 She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life.
Pro 31:13 She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.
Pro 31:14 She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar.
Pro 31:15 She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.
Pro 31:16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
Pro 31:17 She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms.
Pro 31:18 She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night.
Pro 31:19 She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff.
Pro 31:20 She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.
Pro 31:21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
Pro 31:22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple.
Pro 31:23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land.
Pro 31:24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
Pro 31:25 Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come.
Pro 31:26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.
Pro 31:27 She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.
Pro 31:28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.
Pro 31:29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.
Pro 31:30 Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
Pro 31:31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates.

 

[Edward]

Claudya:
But I suspect the book is proposing a one-sided-ness of submission. Asking women to submit to their husband while not asking the same thing of men likewise is belittling women. Because if only women submit and men get to be the unquestioned leaders there will be an inequality that would on the long run leave a lot of people frustrated and marriages unhappy. Because people long for justice and will perceive an undeserved inequality as injustice. Marriages would suffer from that.
Besides, since the Bible speaks of mutual submission, I doubt that a book aimed only at telling woman to submit is truely biblical.

Interesting thread. I admit I only read about the first page and a half, so this may have been answered, but here goes anyway. Why does the submission have to be mutual. (Of course it would be better and the right thing and so forth...) If the submission is not mutual, would it somehow detract from the truth of the biblical ideals put forth to women? The books sounds like it is simply geared towards the female audience and not necessarily meaning that men do not have their own set of responsibilities and Godly principles which they are (commanded) to live by with their wives.

It could be abused by small minded or unthinking males, but making the males compliance with mutuality a condition of whether or not the woman complies with being submissive would be to disobey in and of themselves to God, independent of the man.

We each have our own roles to fulfill before God, as men and women. Those are Gods words. If in a particular marriage, if the woman was submissive and spiritually responsible and the husband was not, this would not make her inferior or unequal in any way. She may indeed suffer to live in a condition like that, but spiritually speaking she would actually be superior to the non-compliant male counterpart, and even be recompensed accordingly on judgment day. We are to look forward to being saved and redeemed and heavenly things, and not to count our earthly trials as worthy enough to make us live differently than we would if our partner was a better person or so forth.

 

[Claudya]

opening up and feeling and telling them about isn't what I meant. effimete meaning soft and lover of men , but the nature of that was that one was groomed to be male version of a woman. the modern femminists has women acting just as horrible as man did to them.

I ask again: in what way do we act "horrible". I'm not speaking about single cases of female violence against men that sadly exist. I'm speaking about a wide spread pattern of behaviour to be found among the majority of liberal/ progressive/ feminist women.
I'm unaware of any such horrible behaviour.

yeah you loved being the protecter. point made. its not for women do to that.

1. Why not? Is that something you directly take from the Bible? Because I can't remember any Bible quote related to who is to protect whom in a marriage.
2. In all the time we were together nothing bad happened to my boyfriend. So I must have done a good job as his protectress.

 

[Claudya]

This is probably the main thing I detest about feminism--the hypocrisy. I don't see it being played out in real life as 'power neutral'. I see it in actual practice as the women insisting they do not have to have any consideration for the male when making decisions concerning themselves. Which is the very thing they say is wrong with the Biblical model of male authority.

Interesting and sad. If that is true then the women you observe behaving that way are immature or fail at equality.
No relationship will work on the long run if one side makes all their choices without consideration of the partner. To be honest, I know women who are like that, but I'd never consider them "feminist". They are caught in gender stereotypisation, usually of the "all men are stupid and lesser creatures" kind, and if I get the chance and see any point in it I will challenge them in regards to that misandric thinking.
So I suspect you mistake men hating immature women for feminists?

Apparently it really isn't about equality. It's showing itself to be about women being over males in the same way they perceive that males are over them. A switching of roles, not a meeting in the middle on the roles of men and women in relationships.[/quote]

 

[jasoncran]

I ask again: in what way do we act "horrible". I'm not speaking about single cases of female violence against men that sadly exist. I'm speaking about a wide spread pattern of behaviour to be found among the majority of liberal/ progressive/ feminist women.
I'm unaware of any such horrible behaviour.


1. Why not? Is that something you directly take from the Bible? Because I can't remember any Bible quote related to who is to protect whom in a marriage.
2. In all the time we were together nothing bad happened to my boyfriend. So I must have done a good job as his protectress.

why not? because its for a man. why does man have more muscles and the ability to naturally grow them faster and easier and have more blood amount then a women and bone density? why cant a man modify his body and become a mother. where it the direct verse against that? theres none its implied the bible merely says wearing clothing of a woman is a sin. so you can then make that argument too!\

so when you do all the heavy work, come see my wife. 50 years old right shoulder inoperable, its destroyed, doctors refuse to replace it. she is too young. and they said its from WORKING LIKE A MAN.