The Book Among Feminists Groups Being Debated

[Claudya]

why not? because its for a man. why does man have more muscles and the ability to naturally grow them faster and easier and have more blood amount then a women and bone density? why cant a man modify his body and become a mother. where it the direct verse against that? theres none its implied the bible merely says wearing clothing of a woman is a sin. so you can then make that argument too!

Swiftness, training and experience are just as important as muscle strength. And when weapons come into play muscles matter little. Give a gun to a woman that would collapse after 2 push ups and she would still be able to kill a body builder.
What does motherhood and clothing have to do with that? Sorry I'm a bit drunk so I can't follow that argumentation. But I suspect I still couldn't follow it sober.

so when you do all the heavy work, come see my wife. 50 years old right shoulder inoperable, its destroyed, doctors refuse to replace it. she is too young. and they said its from WORKING LIKE A MAN.

Your wife's body is in such a desolate state not because she worked "like a man", but because she worked over the limits of her body. You wouldn't guess how many men are physically destroyed after a view decades of hard work. Heck, even a desk job can destroy one's back and shoulders only from carrying it's own weight in the wrong way.

 

[jasoncran]

Swiftness, training and experience are just as important as muscle strength. And when weapons come into play muscles matter little. Give a gun to a woman that would collapse after 2 push ups and she would still be able to kill a body builder.
What does motherhood and clothing have to do with that? Sorry I'm a bit drunk so I can't follow that argumentation. But I suspect I still couldn't follow it sober.


Your wife's body is in such a desolate state not because she worked "like a man", but because she worked over the limits of her body. You wouldn't guess how many men are physically destroyed after a view decades of hard work. Heck, even a desk job can destroy one's back and shoulders only from carrying it's own weight in the wrong way.

funny I will quote a man who has over 30 years of martial arts experience. he says even with technique its also wise to have strength. it gives you the edge. a 90lb woman cant produce the amount of power a man who is double her size naturally. a man who is small is also at such disadvanatage. other wise mma should have weight divisions! yet it does. and so has judo and all manner of contact sports. the gracies were the first to put a stop to that into what is still done called open mat. no weight limits. few small men win they can but it takes a ton of practice to be that good. only the gracies were that good.

 

[jasoncran]

really? my wife had men who didn't want to work. she left then because they wouldn't do the hard work.

 

[Claudya]

funny I will quote a man who has over 30 years of martial arts experience. he says even with technique its also wise to have strength. it gives you the edge. a 90lb woman cant produce the amount of power a man who is double her size naturally. a man who is small is also at such disadvanatage. other wise mma should have weight divisions! yet it does. and so has judo and all manner of contact sports. the gracies were the first to put a stop to that into what is still done called open mat. no weight limits. few small men win they can but it takes a ton of practice to be that good. only the gracies were that good.

Sure strength matters, but it's not the only thing that matters. If someone is strong like an ox but also slow as a snail his strength means little because all his attacs will be dodges. Also, neither strength nor fastness really matter if a woman is standing 30 yards from you pointing a gun at you.

From my own experience I'm not super strong, but strong enough that no male practice partner would totally overwhelm me. However, I have on many occasions hurt my opponents/ partners in training by accident bad enough to make them have to sit at the side and watch for a while. I'm not proud on that, but at least I know that if I can hurt people by accident bad enough to make them retreat I can most certainly do so on purpose. Although I'm not super strong and not as fast as I wish I were.

 

[reba]

Col_3:18 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

For my thoughts this verse takes the idea of submissive woman, as a general term, out of the equation.
There is only one man who is my husband. I do submit to rightful authority. Men in general are not my husband. PTL..
There are many things i do that do not fit the feminine picture... plumbing electrical years back changing the plugs on the car...i fix broken stuff ...best job outside of wife and mom was maintenance at a water bottling plant....

Some thing i noticed while pregnant ... a million years ago... I am thinking it must have been hormones,
I could not throw a ball half way decent... nor pound a nail straight...etc .. it was like i became my sister....Things i normally do

 

[reba]

Feminists Outraged After Female Author Writes Book Encouraging Women to 'Get Married and Be Submissive' Based on Bible Becomes a Hit in Europe.
A self-help book based on Old Testament principles of the Bible written by a 43-year-old married Italian journalist and mother of four advising women to be submissive to their husbands in marriage is now causing an international uproar from feminists around the world.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/f...ased-on-bible-becomes-a-hit-in-europe-111120/

 

[jasoncran]

Sure strength matters, but it's not the only thing that matters. If someone is strong like an ox but also slow as a snail his strength means little because all his attacs will be dodges. Also, neither strength nor fastness really matter if a woman is standing 30 yards from you pointing a gun at you.

From my own experience I'm not super strong, but strong enough that no male practice partner would totally overwhelm me. However, I have on many occasions hurt my opponents/ partners in training by accident bad enough to make them have to sit at the side and watch for a while. I'm not proud on that, but at least I know that if I can hurt people by accident bad enough to make them retreat I can most certainly do so on purpose. Although I'm not super strong and not as fast as I wish I were.

it matters more then you think. if one has an equal opponent on all things any edge will do. weight lifting does more then just build muscles it prevents injury that

medina even says that. he doesn't allow women to train with men. I will ask why next month. I know why but I want to be sure

but the real question is why cant men carry a child if they are that equal in your eyes. why would it be a sin?

 

[Edward]

why not? because its for a man. why does man have more muscles and the ability to naturally grow them faster and easier and have more blood amount then a women and bone density? why cant a man modify his body and become a mother. where it the direct verse against that? theres none its implied the bible merely says wearing clothing of a woman is a sin. so you can then make that argument too!\

so when you do all the heavy work, come see my wife. 50 years old right shoulder inoperable, its destroyed, doctors refuse to replace it. she is too young. and they said its from WORKING LIKE A MAN.

Excuse me? There's no scripture against becoming transsexual? Whoa. True enough, there's not a scripture that says "Thou shalt not be transsexual" but only a seriously closed mind could even come close to justifying transsexualism.

In Psalm 139, we learn that God fashions each one of us. “For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made. . . . My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. . . . your eyes saw my unformed body” (verses 13-16). God’s creation of each individual must surely include His designation of gender/sex. His wonderful work leaves no room for mistakes; no one is born with the “wrong body.”

After the fall of man, it did not take long for gender issues to become confused. In Abraham’s day, homosexuality was widespread in some cities (Genesis 19:1-7;Jude 7). The Bible is unmistakably clear that homosexuality is a sinful perversion of God’s gift of sexuality (Romans 1:18-32;1 Corinthians 6:9-10).

In the Law, transvestism / transvestitism was specifically forbidden: “A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this” (Deuteronomy 22:5).

Another possible reference to transsexualism is 1 Corinthians 6:9, where “male prostitutes” is listed as a separate category from “homosexual offenders.” The King James Version uses the word “effeminate” here; that is to say, the “male prostitutes” might be transsexual men who act as women.

The Bible calls all such gender distortion sin. Transgenderism is not genetically based, and it is not simply a psychological disorder; it is rebellion against God’s plan. But following this realization is good news: sin can be forgiven and lives can be changed through faith in Christ. The Corinthian believers are an example of such a change: “And [homosexuals] is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God” (1 Corinthians 6:11). There is hope for any sinner, transsexuals, transgenders, and transvestites included, because of God’s forgiveness available in Jesus Christ.

They say that if one tortures the text enough, that one can can make it say or not say anything they want. But this is not right and you know it brother. So to suggest that as long as the transsexual doesn't wear womens clothes, that it might be ok...is a real thin stretch and a certain torture of the text. There's also Romans 1

Romans 1:26-32
26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. 29 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips,30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them./(KJV)

So are you suggesting that as long as they don't wear women's clothes or have sex, then it would be ok to have the operation? But even so, what's the point in having the operation then? And to not acknowledge God or His plan for that particular person is also a sin. So your assertion lacks merit. There's also quite a few texts in the Torah about it. Leviticus I think and of course Deuteronomy.

 

[WordsintoHarmony]

Is the issue about hair? Is hair length what God is talking about? If that were the case then most of the men in the Old Testament would be ashamed by God. Culturally the Hebrews had long hair and beards. We have ancient art true writings on this description. Even today some men have long hair. I’ll name a few wrestlers Shawn Michael, Drew McIntyre, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Kofi Kingston, and the Ultimate Warrior. Any of us to dare to challenge these guys for a wrestling match? I certainly would not.

What about 1 Corinthians chapters 11? This proves how long someone hair should be? But we no longer that drink milk neither understands as a new born but we develop in our maturity which is that of spiritual teaching from God who is spirit.

What did Jesus say about eating food? Is it clean or unclean? Jesus said all food is clean. He says you eat food and you digest food. From what I outwardly do not make us unclean. But those things that come from the heart murder, lust, and strife, envy make us to be unclean and undefiled those things the thoughts of our heart which is actually the core of our thinking beliefs and what we practice.

Matthew 15
New King James Version (NKJV)

Defilement Comes from Within
15 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”—6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition.7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand:11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

15 Then Peter answered and said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”

16 So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding?17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated?18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man.19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

1 Corinthians 11 is not talking about hair length on a man or woman. This chapter is kind of a like a parable or analogy given to us to use hair that we may acknowledge exactly how to picture a covering because we read the verses that tell us this. Christ is the head of man. Man is the head of woman. And God the Father is the Head of Christ. What is then the covering on the woman’s head? The covering actually represents a veil as she is married to her husband. If she is uncovered which means not making her husband as her head she dishonors Christ. But if the man should cover his head as a veil to be as the woman he dishonors Christ.

The veil then is actually more symbolic to her role in marriage; even the man without the veil is symbolic that he is not the wife of the marriage. Christ as head over man and man head over woman. This pertains to worship at Church and Biblical instructions. The husband should be a leader Biblically as a husband or as a father as someone needs to take a higher role in leadership. This is nothing at all about being a tyrant boss. . It means somewhat being a scout leader watch helpful giving sound Biblical instructions.

1 Corinthians 11:11

11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord.

So it has nothing to do with the wife wanting to fix the sink or using tools. Yet he is not independent without the woman. He must be there to help her. If she says I need help straightening things out he can’t say I got to go play cards with my friends. He is not independent because Christ is over him.

The woman was made for man and yet man was brought to the woman. Genesis 2:24 So the man leaves his Mother and Father and joins to the wife and their flesh will become as one. Now since they were brought together by God each person must make an account their responsibility toward God.

I would like to use one good example of marriage I know of. .

I have a friend named Melinda whose husband is Howard. Melinda goes out to work five days a week. Howard is taking care of the house. She has a good job and Howard has some problems with his knees. In their marriage they are allowed to have her work outside and him inside. But yet Howard still does all the planning and instruction. Howard is still a leader they also have 2 children. Howard can’t be watching TV all day while Melinda is at work. Because then he would be a bad husband. He has to sweep, mop, and cook. Melinda does not do any heavy lifting. Bu their income provides for them to for example take trips to see her parents. She wears the veil and he does not. She does outside work and he does house work. Howard is still the man around the house. He plans their scheduled trips and Bible direction she Melinda submissive as a wife.

If Claudya wants to go chop wood there is no problem if she does not mind. . Personally I don’t want my girlfriend to do chopping wood. But she has lifted a lot of bags and boxes. I can’t tell her to stay in the corner and keep crocheting. She is a full grown woman. Claudya is correct proper strength takes training. While it is true men in general are stronger in bone density, oxygen consumption with enable to rest more some woman are considered strong even at a strong mans level.

I read about a power lifter woman who benched over five hundred pounds. That is more than respected. I’ve only gotten to 335 on the bench. I’ve only seen 3 men lifter benching over five hundred. . There are a few men though power lifters like Scot Mendalson over 1000 pounds. This guy has me beat more than 3 times. I still believe if I get back to lifting in January I can reach or go over five hundred. Believe me I have a lot of determination. Claudya I won’t challenge you in karate. I only took a few Tai Kwon Do lessons. It would take me a lot of training to get to your level. Claudya do you have any links how to learn Karate at home? Maybe I can learn a few moves.

 

[farouk]

Is the issue about hair? Is hair length what God is talking about? If that were the case then most of the men in the Old Testament would be ashamed by God. Culturally the Hebrews had long hair and beards. We have ancient art true writings on this description. Even today some men have long hair. I’ll name a few wrestlers Shawn Michael, Drew McIntyre, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Kofi Kingston, and the Ultimate Warrior. Any of us to dare to challenge these guys for a wrestling match? I certainly would not.

What about 1 Corinthians chapters 11? This proves how long someone hair should be? But we no longer that drink milk neither understands as a new born but we develop in our maturity which is that of spiritual teaching from God who is spirit.

What did Jesus say about eating food? Is it clean or unclean? Jesus said all food is clean. He says you eat food and you digest food. From what I outwardly do not make us unclean. But those things that come from the heart murder, lust, and strife, envy make us to be unclean and undefiled those things the thoughts of our heart which is actually the core of our thinking beliefs and what we practice.

Matthew 15
New King James Version (NKJV)

Defilement Comes from Within
15 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”—6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition.7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand:11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

15 Then Peter answered and said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”

16 So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding?17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated?18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man.19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

1 Corinthians 11 is not talking about hair length on a man or woman. This chapter is kind of a like a parable or analogy given to us to use hair that we may acknowledge exactly how to picture a covering because we read the verses that tell us this. Christ is the head of man. Man is the head of woman. And God the Father is the Head of Christ. What is then the covering on the woman’s head? The covering actually represents a veil as she is married to her husband. If she is uncovered which means not making her husband as her head she dishonors Christ. But if the man should cover his head as a veil to be as the woman he dishonors Christ.

The veil then is actually more symbolic to her role in marriage; even the man without the veil is symbolic that he is not the wife of the marriage. Christ as head over man and man head over woman. This pertains to worship at Church and Biblical instructions. The husband should be a leader Biblically as a husband or as a father as someone needs to take a higher role in leadership. This is nothing at all about being a tyrant boss. . It means somewhat being a scout leader watch helpful giving sound Biblical instructions.

1 Corinthians 11:11

11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord.

So it has nothing to do with the wife wanting to fix the sink or using tools. Yet he is not independent without the woman. He must be there to help her. If she says I need help straightening things out he can’t say I got to go play cards with my friends. He is not independent because Christ is over him.

The woman was made for man and yet man was brought to the woman. Genesis 2:24 So the man leaves his Mother and Father and joins to the wife and their flesh will become as one. Now since they were brought together by God each person must make an account their responsibility toward God.

I would like to use one good example of marriage I know of. .

I have a friend named Melinda whose husband is Howard. Melinda goes out to work five days a week. Howard is taking care of the house. She has a good job and Howard has some problems with his knees. In their marriage they are allowed to have her work outside and him inside. But yet Howard still does all the planning and instruction. Howard is still a leader they also have 2 children. Howard can’t be watching TV all day while Melinda is at work. Because then he would be a bad husband. He has to sweep, mop, and cook. Melinda does not do any heavy lifting. Bu their income provides for them to for example take trips to see her parents. She wears the veil and he does not. She does outside work and he does house work. Howard is still the man around the house. He plans their scheduled trips and Bible direction she Melinda submissive as a wife.

If Claudya wants to go chop wood there is no problem if she does not mind. . Personally I don’t want my girlfriend to do chopping wood. But she has lifted a lot of bags and boxes. I can’t tell her to stay in the corner and keep crocheting. She is a full grown woman. Claudya is correct proper strength takes training. While it is true men in general are stronger in bone density, oxygen consumption with enable to rest more some woman are considered strong even at a strong mans level.

I read about a power lifter woman who benched over five hundred pounds. That is more than respected. I’ve only gotten to 335 on the bench. I’ve only seen 3 men lifter benching over five hundred. . There are a few men though power lifters like Scot Mendalson over 1000 pounds. This guy has me beat more than 3 times. I still believe if I get back to lifting in January I can reach or go over five hundred. Believe me I have a lot of determination. Claudya I won’t challenge you in karate. I only took a few Tai Kwon Do lessons. It would take me a lot of training to get to your level. Claudya do you have any links how to learn Karate at home? Maybe I can learn a few moves.

Hi there. Leaving aside whether it's a good idea or not to get GI Jane haircuts/headshaves, the whole matter of headship in Scripture goes far beyond gender issues. For example, the New Testament says: 'the head of Christ is God'; the Lord Jesus is 'head over all things to the church'; He is 'head of all principality and power', and so forth.

Blessings.

 

[WordsintoHarmony]

Hi farouk I agree with you. If you would have seen in my post that was exactly the point. A couple of other posters were making a
big deal out of the length of the hair. I found a commentary that it is symbolic that the woman should wear the veil.
Christ is head of man and man is the head of woman.

My post may have been a little confusing because my point was in between everything else.
I will copy and paste only the Biblica; part of my thread
1 Corinthians 11
New King James Version (NKJV)

11 Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ.

Head Coverings
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the traditions just as I delivered them to you. 3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head. 5 But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved. 6 For if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered. 7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8 For man is not from woman, but woman from man. 9 Nor was man created for the woman, but woman for the man. 10 For this reason the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels. 11 Nevertheless, neither is man independent of woman, nor woman independent of man, in the Lord. 12 For as woman came from man, even so man also comes through woman; but all things are from God.

13 Judge among yourselves. Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him? 15 But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her; for her hair is given to her for a covering. 16 But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

Matthew 15
New King James Version (NKJV)

Defilement Comes from Within
15 Then the scribes and Pharisees who were from Jerusalem came to Jesus, saying, 2 “Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.”

3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”—6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition.7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

10 When He had called the multitude to Himself, He said to them, “Hear and understand:11 Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

12 Then His disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this saying?”

13 But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted.14 Let them alone. They are blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch.”

15 Then Peter answered and said to Him, “Explain this parable to us.”

16 So Jesus said, “Are you also still without understanding?17 Do you not yet understand that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and is eliminated?18 But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they defile a man.19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.20 These are the things which defile a man, but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man.”

 

[farouk]

WordsintoHarmony: Mind you, what would you think if your gf showed with a GI Jane cut?

Blessings.

 

[jasoncran]

I said its not clearly.

the effimate is from the usage of pedastery. the Egyptians and greeks and romans all did this they would groom a boy and then make him their lover at 13. that is what effimate means. nothing more.

I do believe transgender is a sin. its in the torah in allusion" man shall not wear clothes that a woman wears and vice versa"but one cant readily say that without clearly .ie if one doesn't see that a man is a man and woman a woman.

of note:

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/970805/jewish/Cross-Dressing.htm

http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/275063/jewish/Moral-is-Normal.htm

now then I have given the context and im not saying that being one isn't a sin just that god didn't make you a man if you aren't one.

and adam Clarke would agree

(keli geber), the instruments or arms of a man. As the word גבר (geber) is here used, which properly signifies a strong man or man of war, it is very probable that armor is here intended; especially as we know that in the worship of Venus, to which that of Astarte or Ashtaroth among the Canaanites bore a striking resemblance, the women were accustomed to appear in armor before her. It certainly cannot mean a simple change in dress, whereby the men might pass for women, and vice versa. This would have been impossible in those countries where the dress of the sexes had but little to distinguish it, and where every man wore a long beard. It is, however, a very good general precept understood literally, and applies particularly to those countries where the dress alone distinguishes between the male and the female. The close-shaved gentleman may at any time appear like a woman in the female dress, and the woman appear as a man in the male‘s attire. Were this to be tolerated in society, it would produce the greatest confusion. Clodius, who dressed himself like a woman that he might mingle with the Roman ladies in the feast of the Bona Dea, was universally execrated

now then I said if one is two believe that men and women are that equal and given not much of a verse is listed. how does on show that when theres no mentioning of it? I do believe that is a sin? why because if god wanted one to be a woman he would have made you one and vice versa. and YES ONE CAN ALLUDE TO THAT FROM THAT VERSE.

 

[WordsintoHarmony]

WordsintoHarmony: Mind you, what would you think if your gf showed with a GI Jane cut?

Blessings.

Hi farouk. . Please don’t take my post to an extreme view point of flexibilty. My girlfriend has just below shoulder length hair. It used to be longer but is too hard to mange that way. We agree about her keeping her hair long. When I mentioned her about carrying boxes and bags did not mean she was carrying really having things. I do carry the heavy things when she asks me for help. If boxes are bags are in her lifting range and she wants to be helpful why stop her?



I don’t want a woman with strong arms and muscles or short hair. He knows her limits and does not have a lot of pride or fights for feminine rights. She is happy being a woman.



I’m saying though a woman should not be limited just to do cooking dishes and yarn projects. That is too stereo type. Some women don't like to cook or not good at it. If her husband wants to cook instead and if they are happy with the idea it is their marriage to decide that.

I used to have my apartment and cook my own stuff. . I’m not the greatest cook but I can cook decent enough for a bachelor one person meal. I don’t settle on TV dinners and microwave food when I know cooking on the stove gives more options and making barbecue chicken. Cooking was once a woman we stereo type role. More divorces though got more men to learn how to cook. The one thing I don’t like about cooking is it takes too long and it only takes a short time to eat it in ten or so minutes. I did all this work so the food is going to be gone that fast?

Today I don’t cook and for a good reason. My girlfriend cooks. She wants to do it cause she says it makes her feel like her mother playing a woman’s role. It all works out, . She is the better cook anyways. Only thing is she gets tired doing it most every day except when we order out.

She will never be a GI Jane. She would protest that herself of any woman wanting to look like a man dress or act like one. She believes a woman ought to be like a real lady. But this is our relationship and it works but it may not work for every couple. Every couple decides what works between them.

I am most strongly against same sex marriage or unions. I think these are the last relationships God would ever want to see. So I think a woman who has short hair but her husband accepts or likes her hair short is not a sin as long as she behaves like a woman. My Guardian mother Janet hair is quite short but she wears those granny dresses with glasses. The nicest woman you can ever meet. She is a one hundred supporter of Jesus Christ and Christian. Before we judge the outside of a person know that God does not. But God judges our heart and our inner self as the saying goes beauty is deep.

 

[farouk]

Hi WordsintoHarmony: I guess that many women's hair today would have been regarded as short years ago, but when many men (husbands) themselves wear their almost bald, even a woman's chopped or clippered, tufty style can seem comparatively long.

I guess what your wife-to-be feels comfortable with has something to do with it. Often over 40 many women will feel strongly inclined to go for the chop.

Blessings.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Often over 40 many women will feel strongly inclined to go for the chop.

Menopause does that.

We're all wired for reproduction. You can tell when men and women's reproductive desires are waning and sexual attraction is becoming less and less of the motivation for how we keep ourselves up.

Face it people. Life is all about hormones.

 

[farouk]

Menopause does that.

We're all wired for reproduction. You can tell when men and women's reproductive desires are waning and sexual attraction is becoming less and less of the motivation for how we keep ourselves up.

Face it people. Life is all about hormones.

Umm...I would say The Chop for women is at any rate about pure practicality....

 

[jasoncran]

Umm...I would say The Chop for women is at any rate about pure practicality....

I will ask my wife but she did it for her headaches. but not all women do that. I have seen women older then her with longer hair. farouk this is off topic.

 

[farouk]

I will ask my wife but she did it for her headaches. but not all women do that. I have seen women older then her with longer hair. farouk this is off topic.

I suppose it's all about heads and headship, literal and metaphorical. Yes, some women's scalp can become painful after years of wearing very long, loose hair.

 

[jasoncran]

I suppose it's all about heads and headship, literal and metaphorical. Yes, some women's scalp can become painful after years of wearing very long, loose hair.

neck pain as the the weight pulls on the head and the neck must correct.