The Day of the LORD... The Day of Jesus Christ...

[Eventide]

Here's what I think is going to happen... and I must say that who can even begin to understand the enormity of not only these last days, but especially that LAST DAY... The Day of the LORD, the Day of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

I believe that it's been the last two days since Jesus of Nazareth was born miraculously, lived miraculously, spoke miraculously, died miraculously, and rose in bodily (Flesh and Bone) form from the Tomb, miraculously...

All according to the scriptures, for in the volume of the Book it is written of Me saith the LORD.

The Apostle to the Gentiles tells us that these are the last days... and the reason I say two is simply because it has been ~2000 years since these things literally happened. And of course a Day with the LORD (in the Spirit) is as a thousand years, and a thousand years are as one DAY...

And THAT is the next staggering event in the prophetic story of all stories..

The Day of the LORD, the Day of Jesus Christ.

Paul tells us that this DAY shall come as a thief in the night, and as travail upon a woman with child...

Two huge miraculous indicators as to when this DAY shall come.

I believe that Revelation chapters 4-20 describe this DAY in (once again) miraculous detail..

It is going to happen... John refers to this time as the things which shall be here... after...

That's what is coming after the Lord is finished building His church (during the time John refers to as the things which are, ie, the present time), and then presents it to Himself gloriously... and it's a marriage made in Heaven, no doubt.

Reading Revelation 4-20 should make anyone fall down before the LORD because we're told that in that Day, for 42 months... that the man of sin is going to have his reign over the whole thing... Rev 12 teaches us that the Dragon shall be cast down to the EARTH... the one who is presently the prince and power of the AIR... cast down to the EARTH...

This can be none other than the man of sin whom the LORD shall consume with the brightness of His coming... AFTER the marriage of the Lamb to His wife amongst the multitudes in HEAVEN... as Rev 19 so wonderously reveals that John falls down in worship..

Nobody is going to want to be HERE... WOE to those who are on the EARTH... because it's going to happen.. the ruler of this dark world will literally become the man of sin..

I think that this is what the scriptures are teaching us in a living and powerful, miraculous way.. and I sincerely share this with any brother or sister in the Lord as simply my thoughts (and of course the countless others who have taught me) concerning that DAY ahead... the Day of the LORD, the Day of Jesus Christ.

I hope that these words are comforting to those who are members of the body of Christ, who can feel as Rebekah did long ago.. in extreme anticipation and endless joy, when we meet our Saviour and Lord Jesus Christ.. even our Husband to be, the Bridegroom Himself... who gave Himself for us on that forsaken cross of Calvary.. to lead us Home to His Father, and our Father, in Heaven.

 

[Eventide]

And He shall show you things to come...

..as Bart likes to sing...

I can only imagine...

Who can begin to understand the depths of these things which shall be hereafter...

Even at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Thankfully we have His Holy Spirit within us... our hope of glory, even in these frail earthen vessels... the earnest of our inheritance in Him unto the day of redemption, and unto the praise of His glory. And not even the ages to come shall be able to exhaust or uncover the unsearchable riches in our Lord Jesus Christ.

He that hath begun a good work in you shall perform it, even until the Day of Jesus Christ.

 

[Eventide]

At the revelation of Jesus Christ...

Perhaps this is why so many of the rulers of Israel could not see that lowly man of Nazareth as their One true God... Perhaps many of them were looking for His coming as that Day of The Lord... Which is also scripted for us in glorious detail throughout the ancient texts of the Old Testament.

Perhaps they were not able to see what we see concerning His coming the first time, and His coming again with thousands and thousands of His saints.

Paul warns us to not be ignorant of the mystery pertaining to Israel, and how that nation is blinded in part until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in... How that they are beloved and even the elect of God.

The nation of Israel has been cut off from the root which is Christ and their house is left desolate... And of course they shall be grafted into the root once again when the Deliverer shall come from Sion and turn ungodliness from Jacob.

Israel shall be with child in that dreadful day, and they shall be protected from the Dragon himself in the wilderness... All marvelous things which shall be hereafter, in that Day, the Day of The Lord.

The Lord Himself teaches us that in that Day, in the Regeneration, when the Son of man sits in the throne of His glory, that His Apostles will also sit upon twelve thrones... Judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

This is the grace which the Apostle to the Circumcision teaches shall come to them, at the revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

[Brother Mike]

Yes, the Day of the Lord

The Day of Jesus Christ.

Spelled different, different days. Both days end something.

Php_1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;

Php_1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

1Co_1:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The day of OUR Lord Jesus. Is the day for us, the Church. All together, all rewarded or not rewarded. The day of the Lord's anointed, the Church, those that call Jesus Lord.

1Th 2:19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?

In the day of our Lord Jesus Christ, we rejoice!!!! It's a great day as we are all finally together, our Brothers and Sisters in one place with our great Saviour and Lord of Lords. All the family in Heaven and in earth (Eph) All with each other in one place.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Our Lord Jesus Christ those that call Jesus Lord!!! Paul was letting them know that day has yet to come, nobody missed it. It will not come unless we depart first to be One family, then the Son of perdition is revealed.

Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.


We don't know the hour in which our Lord comes. We have to be ready, and He is able to keep us from offense until the day of the Lord Jesus. Lean on Him, stay focused, stay ready. We don't know the Hour.

The day of the Lord.

The day of the Lord is darkness. It's not a good day, and not many will be happy to see the Lord show up in Power and glory. It's not the day for those that call Jesus Lord. It's judgment day, it's a terrible day.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The day of the Lord surprises nobody. Jesus comes as a strong brigand in the night. They see the sun, moon, stars change. The earth shakes the Heavens rumble. Those left on the earth try to hide from the face of the Lamb. It's dark, very dark and they can't see well. They know what is about to come.

Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

For 1/2 agonizing hour there is silence. It's dark, the stars no longer in the sky. They attempt to hid, they know what is about to happen. The heavens are quit, it's very dark the stage is set for the Lord to come in light and glory through the clouds.

Down to the very half hour, there will be no doubt as to what is going to happen to those that did not make Jesus their Lord. It's over, it's show time.

Mat_25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.


The Day of the Lord Jesus Christ, we don't even know the day, The Day of the Lord can be pinpointed to the exact 1/2 hour. Right after Tribulation, right after the stars getting rolled up in the heavens, right after that 1/2 hour of complete silence in Heaven.

The two days are very clear Eventide. No question Here. Nobody is going to be plowing in their field at night after the Sun and stars get wiped out. We are told to be ready, for we don't even know the day or hour Our Lord Jesus will come. He is coming for us though.

Mike.

 

[lecoop]

Yes, the Day of the Lord

The Day of Jesus Christ.

Spelled different, different days. Both days end something.

Php_1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;

Php_1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

1Co_1:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The day of OUR Lord Jesus. Is the day for us, the Church. All together, all rewarded or not rewarded. The day of the Lord's anointed, the Church, those that call Jesus Lord.

1Th 2:19 For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming?

In the day of our Lord Jesus Christ, we rejoice!!!! It's a great day as we are all finally together, our Brothers and Sisters in one place with our great Saviour and Lord of Lords. All the family in Heaven and in earth (Eph) All with each other in one place.

2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Our Lord Jesus Christ those that call Jesus Lord!!! Paul was letting them know that day has yet to come, nobody missed it. It will not come unless we depart first to be One family, then the Son of perdition is revealed.

Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.


We don't know the hour in which our Lord comes. We have to be ready, and He is able to keep us from offense until the day of the Lord Jesus. Lean on Him, stay focused, stay ready. We don't know the Hour.

The day of the Lord.

The day of the Lord is darkness. It's not a good day, and not many will be happy to see the Lord show up in Power and glory. It's not the day for those that call Jesus Lord. It's judgment day, it's a terrible day.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

The day of the Lord surprises nobody. Jesus comes as a strong brigand in the night. They see the sun, moon, stars change. The earth shakes the Heavens rumble. Those left on the earth try to hide from the face of the Lamb. It's dark, very dark and they can't see well. They know what is about to come.

Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

For 1/2 agonizing hour there is silence. It's dark, the stars no longer in the sky. They attempt to hid, they know what is about to happen. The heavens are quit, it's very dark the stage is set for the Lord to come in light and glory through the clouds.

Down to the very half hour, there will be no doubt as to what is going to happen to those that did not make Jesus their Lord. It's over, it's show time.

Mat_25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.


The Day of the Lord Jesus Christ, we don't even know the day, The Day of the Lord can be pinpointed to the exact 1/2 hour. Right after Tribulation, right after the stars getting rolled up in the heavens, right after that 1/2 hour of complete silence in Heaven.

The two days are very clear Eventide. No question Here. Nobody is going to be plowing in their field at night after the Sun and stars get wiped out. We are told to be ready, for we don't even know the day or hour Our Lord Jesus will come. He is coming for us though.

Mike.

The day of the Lord surprises nobody.

Why would you so boldly DISAGREE with scripture?

2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

No one knows when a thief is coming, else they would wait up for him.

Christ is LORD. Therefore the Day of Christ is just another way of saying Christ is Lord. The Day of Christ goes to the end. The Day of the Lord goes to the end. They are the same. If you have a specific scripture showing us something different, please show us.

Luke 2:11
For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord.

We don't know the hour in which our Lord comes.

Because the rapture of the church STARTS the day, both His coming (for the rapture) and the Day of the Lord come as a thief in the night. We don't know the day nor night of his coming FOR His church, or His coming WITH His church. But will be a mystery.

The Day of the Lord can be pinpointed to the exact 1/2 hour.

This is total myth, unless this writer can shows us scripture and verse.

Lecoop

 

[Brother Mike]

The day of the Lord surprises nobody.

Why would you so boldly DISAGREE with scripture?

Let us get your false accusations out of the way, shall we? You want to go there, fine with me. What a lack of respect.

1Th 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

That day does not overtake us at all. None of us......... Except you..........

I already said it was dark, people hiding. Even gave the scripture and events. Jesus comes to take in the night. The whole earth will be dark. He tells the church we don't know the day or hour.

Day of the Lord Jesus Christ
Rev_3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

However, that is not our issue................................. Our issue is you can't tell the difference in "OUR LORD" and the Day of the Lord.

The Day of the Lord is very specific, and only mentioned as Day of the Lord.

The day of Jesus Christ, is ours. His name given to us to heal the sick, the name above names, we are anointed in Him. Our Lord.........

The problem is not me, its you not being able to tell the difference such as Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven. Both spelled different, the Day of OUR Lord, the Day of the Lord. Both spelled different and I gave the scripture you ignored about one taken the other left and those that call Jesus Lord.

The other account was hope it's not on the Sabbath day and run to the mountains. If you keep the Sabbath, fine, If your from Judea then fine, I am not nor keep a Sabbath day. I gave the exact events and you can't tell the difference in spelling or put together the events.

Shameful because you accused me of ignoring the Word, and you can't tell the difference between The day of OUR Lord and the Day of the Lord.


amazing.

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

The Day of the Lord Jesus Christ comes after the tribulation. false prophets try to split the Day in two different events hoping when many see the false Christs they will assume it's really Jesus Christ come to fly them away when they lead to satan.

Jesus Christ does NOT come before the tribulation , no verse in scripture says Jesus parousia is pre trib



Jesus Christ says in matt 24:29-31 HIS parousia and our gathering is is after the tribulation, paul says IF we also believe HE rose even so do we and return with HIM:

matt 27
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.54 Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.55 And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him:

the First Resurrection began with HIS Resurrection! AMEN

Jesus rose from the grave, the saints as believers rose also partaking in the First Resurrection and as believers that HE rose we also shall rise and be WITH HIM and return WITH HIM when HE returns after the tribulation :


Luke 23:39-44

39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.



paul NEVER once says Jesus Christ parousia is pre trib as false prophets claim :


1 Thessalonians 4:13-17
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

*the unsaved have no hope! we believers sorrow not for we have HOPE!

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring -->with him.<--
He's not coming "for us alive & remaining "until after the trib matt 24:29-31

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

*we who are alive and remain till HIS parousia can't precede them they are already there, the Lord says HIS parousia is after the tribulation as does paul in II thess 2:1-12. paul quotes matt 24:30-31 and ref. I cor 15 we meet the Lord in spritual bodies (aer=breath g109 breath=spiritg4151 not g3772 sky) :

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

paul NEVER says the above passage is pre tribulation and doesn't mention the church yet we know as believers we will be the ones joining Christ Jesus in the spirit just as be know it's we believers who will be betrayed beaten and delivered to death before this as Jesus says in matt 24 mark 13 luke 21 for refusing the false Christs who come before the this. the Lord warns believers of a event prior to what paul is speaking of which paul also warns of in II thess 2:1-12:


Now let's see the Lord's word and why we believers refuse the pre trib rapture:

Luke 21:8
8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

Mark 13:5-6
5 And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.


Matthew 24:4-5
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

what's called a pre trib rapture IS the tribulation: the snare is the trap

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.


paul quotes matt 24:30-31 the post trib rapture/gathering/harvest of wheat

if one falls away by believing the lie that Jesus comes before the tribulation they are looking to gather with the tares above instead of waiting as wise virgins for gathering with the wheat here:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


Isaiah 61:1-3

Jesus read the scroll of Isaiah concerning the 1st advent yet stopped mid sentence when He got to the part concerning the 2nd advent for it's not time yet
(gap between the 69th and 70th week, time of the gentiles/grace) note prior to the 2nd advent satan comes playing holy and this is what many think is going to be a pre trib rapture.


A.the 1st advent:

61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,


*B.satan's working

before the 2nd advent gathering Jesus and paul say the falling away,false Christs claim to be Jesus with signs and lying wonders leading to the working of satan claiming to be and shewing himself as if he is God with all power signs and lying wonders. matt 24:21-31, II thess 2:1-12 this is what false prophets call a pre trib rapture , a seducing away as whores of babylon away from the wedding

those who fall for this are "taken 1st while we who remain wait for matt 24:29-31

C.The 2nd advent

and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

Jesus died in the flesh and rose again,so do we believers die and rise to HIM daily continuing to partake of the First resurrection until HIS post trib parousia and our gathering to HIM as HE says in matt 24:29-31 IF we believe HE died and rose again and we'd better



those who see the false Christs and follow them to satan will be the ones surprised for at that time they thought Jesus had already come so the look on all the pre tribbers face will be horror when they look up after the trib and see the real Jesus Christ coming for we His virgin bride who refused to worship satan or his image and they realize they became whores of babylon instead of waiting patiently for our Lord Jesus Christ as spiritual virgins

 

[reba]

Drop the snarks don't make your differences personal arguments.

 

[Brother Mike]

those who see the false Christs and follow them to satan will be the ones surprised for at that time they thought Jesus had already come so the look on all the pre tribbers face will be horror when they look up after the trib and see the real Jesus Christ coming for we His virgin bride who refused to worship satan or his image and they realize they became whores of babylon instead of waiting patiently for our Lord Jesus Christ as spiritual virgins

So Pre-tribbers will be worshiping Satan??

ummmm.

Drop the snarks don't make your differences personal arguments.

Pre-tribbers Worship after Satan............... and I can't be Snarky when the bible clearly says you must reap what you sow? Is not Snarky is as Snarky does? Does one complain to the Lord that they be made Snarky?

I must put down the Snarky in me and not let the old snarky run around.............. If he escapes, I can't take any blame.


Pre-tribbers with horror on their faces................. amazing.

Mike.

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

Brother Mike;832492]

those who see the false Christs and follow them to satan will be the ones surprised for at that time they thought Jesus had already come so the look on all the pre tribbers face will be horror when they look up after the trib and see the real Jesus Christ coming for we His virgin bride who refused to worship satan or his image and they realize they became whores of babylon instead of waiting patiently for our Lord Jesus Christ as spiritual virgins

So Pre-tribbers will be worshiping Satan??



ummmm.



* Jesus Christ says His parousia and gathering is after the tribulation of false Christs, paul says Jesus Christ's parousia and our gathering is after the falling away and working of satan , Jesus says in matt 13 the tares (children of satan) are gathered FIRST then the wheat so...

Drop the snarks don't make your differences personal arguments.

Pre-tribbers Worship after Satan............... and I can't be Snarky when the bible clearly says you must reap what you sow? Is not Snarky is as Snarky does? Does one complain to the Lord that they be made Snarky?

I must put down the Snarky in me and not let the old snarky run around.............. If he escapes, I can't take any blame.


Pre-tribbers with horror on their faces................. amazing.

Mike.[/QUOTE]



what's amazing is you didn't post any scriptures to counter because you can't, in fact why don't you post the verse that says Jesus Christ comes pre trib to fly away the church as here's the documentation in scripture Jesus Christ comes after the tribulation:


Matthew 13:30

King James Version (KJV)

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.



Matthew 13:36-43

King James Version (KJV)

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.



Matthew 13:49-51

King James Version (KJV)

49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.



no wonder satan and his false Christs play religion to gather all of his children who rather believe a lie then wait for Jesus Christ post trib rapture:
Matthew 24:21-31

vs. 21-28 is for pre tribbers :


21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.




here's the post trib gathering we believers wait for:

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.






2 Thessalonians 2:1-12

King James Version (KJV)

2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, (matt 24:29-31)

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. <--NOT any moment

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.


God lets till michael the restrainer is allowed to kick satan out of heaven (rev 12,dan 10,11,12)



8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



pre trib rapture is a purging of tares away from the wheat, we believers refuse to fall away to satan's harvest of tares , sad how pre trib is added to paul's words to easily lead so many to the wrong harvest

 

[Brother Mike]

what's amazing is you didn't post any scriptures to counter because you can't, in fact why don't you post the verse that says Jesus Christ comes pre trib to fly away the church as here's the documentation in scripture Jesus Christ comes after the tribulation:

Scripture where pre-tribbers follow Satan.

Scripture where Michael is the Restrainer.

Give the the compound Greek words that make the Apostasia. Being a Female noun that means what?

hat's amazing is you didn't post any scriptures to counter because you can't, in fact why don't you post the verse that says Jesus Christ comes pre trib to fly away the church as here's the documentation in scripture Jesus Christ comes after the tribulation:

What is amazing is that you have not addressed all the ones I have posted.

When does Jesus come in this scripture?
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.


When does Jesus come in this scripture?
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

...........

 

[Deborah13]

Re: At the revelation of Jesus Christ...

the Deliverer shall come from Sion and turn ungodliness from Jacob.

Paul is quoting from Isaiah 59 when he says this...

Romans 11:26 KJV
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Isaiah 59 NASV

15
15Yes, truth is lacking;
And he who turns aside from evil makes himself a prey.
(the Prophets - Isaiah was sawed in two, by his own people) + () mine
Now the Lord saw,
And it was [g]displeasing in His sight that there was no justice.
16 And He saw that there was no man,
And was astonished that there was no one to intercede;
Then His own arm brought salvation to Him,
And His righteousness upheld Him.
17He put on righteousness like a breastplate,
And a helmet of salvation on His head;
And He put on garments of vengeance for clothing
And wrapped Himself with zeal as a mantle.
18 According to their [h]deeds, [i]so He will repay,
Wrath to His adversaries, recompense to His enemies;
To the coastlands He will [j]make recompense.
19 So they will fear the name of the Lord from the west
And His glory from the rising of the sun,
For He will come like a [k]rushing stream
Which the wind of the Lord drives.
20 “A Redeemer will come to Zion,
And to those who turn from transgression in Jacob,” declares the Lord.
21 “As for Me, this is My covenant with them,” says the Lord: “My Spirit which is upon you, and My words which I have put in your mouth shall not depart from your mouth, nor from the mouth of your offspring, nor from the mouth of your offspring’s offspring,” says the Lord, “from now and forever.”

This already happened, that is what Paul was teaching. He quoted scripture that was in the future tense because the scripture was written before the Redeemer came.
Who did God make His covenant with, that He spoke in verse 21? Those in verse 20, "those who turn from their transgressions in Jacob."
If this scripture has not been fulfilled and is continues to be fulfilled, then the Redeemer has not come and none of us have been redeemed.

This fits perfectly with what Paul said, in verse 14....
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

And this verse

Romans 9:6 - 7
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. note:not Ishmael. Jacob not Esau
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


Just what I see in scripture.

 

[Brother Mike]

Re: At the revelation of Jesus Christ...

This already happened, that is what Paul was teaching. He quoted scripture that was in the future tense because the scripture was written before the Redeemer came.
Who did God make His covenant with, that He spoke in verse 21? Those in verse 20, "those who turn from their transgressions in Jacob."
If this scripture has not been fulfilled and is continues to be fulfilled, then the Redeemer has not come and none of us have been redeemed.

This fits perfectly with what Paul said, in verse 14....
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

And this verse

OK, I see how it fits, but how does this connect to "The day of the Lord" and "The day of our lord Jesus Christ"?

Isa_34:8 For it is the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
Jer_46:10 For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.
Lam_2:22 Thou hast called as in a solemn day my terrors round about, so that in the day of the LORD'S anger none escaped nor remained: those that I have swaddled and brought up hath mine enemy consumed.
Eze_13:5 Ye have not gone up into the gaps, neither made up the hedge for the house of Israel to stand in the battle in the day of the LORD.

Your scripture talks of the Lord coming with Salvation and good things. The day of the Lord talks about vengeance, battle and bad things. How are we comparing these exactly?

Mike.

 

[Deborah13]

Re: At the revelation of Jesus Christ...

OK, I see how it fits, but how does this connect to "The day of the Lord" and "The day of our lord Jesus Christ"?

Actually, it was one of the things [MENTION=29288]Eventide[/MENTION] had in one of his posts and seeing he mentioned it and it's his thread, I thought I was free to respond to that point.

 

[Brother Mike]

Re: At the revelation of Jesus Christ...

Actually, it was one of the things @Eventide had in one of his posts and seeing he mentioned it and it's his thread, I thought I was free to respond to that point.

ahhh. OK, sounds good. Keep on going!!!

Mike.

 

[Deborah13]

The day of OUR Lord Jesus. Is the day for us, the Church. All together, all rewarded or not rewarded. The day of the Lord's anointed, the Church, those that call Jesus Lord.

So Mike, who makes up the Church? Paul, told us.

 

[Brother Mike]

So Mike, who makes up the Church? Paul, told us.

We are the Church, the body. Jesus is the Head.

did I pass??

Mike.

 

[reba]

Originally Posted by reba


Drop the snarks don't make your differences personal arguments.



Pre-tribbers Worship after Satan............... and I can't be Snarky when the bible clearly says you must reap what you sow? Is not Snarky is as Snarky does? Does one complain to the Lord that they be made Snarky?

I must put down the Snarky in me and not let the old snarky run around.............. If he escapes, I can't take any blame.


Pre-tribbers with horror on their faces................. amazing.

Mike.

No Brother Mike I deleted the snark at the end of post#6 ....

 

[reba]

Reads to me like Eventide put a lot of effort into the OP so lets get on topic totopic

 

[Watchmen for Christ]

=Brother Mike;832513]

what's amazing is you didn't post any scriptures to counter because you can't, in fact why don't you post the verse that says Jesus Christ comes pre trib to fly away the church as here's the documentation in scripture Jesus Christ comes after the tribulation:

Scripture where pre-tribbers follow Satan.

*refusal to believe Jesus teaching post trib rapture/gathering/harvest in matt 24:29-31 and paul in II thess 2 leads to many falling away to satan's coming prior to the 2nd advent.

peter warns pauls epistles are hard to understand for the unlearned and unstable
with some being lead away by the error of the wicked, the wicked add pre trib to paul's words to lead many to the working of satan prior to the 2nd advent rapture.

*what verse says Jesus Christ comes before the tribulation? NONE! not 1

Scripture where Michael is the Restrainer.

*dan 10:21/rev 12 michael is the one who kicks satan out, pre tribbers focus on II thess 2:7 to divert attention away from the fact paul teaches against those who claim the Day of the Lord is "at hand" , callscalls them deceivers who claim Jesus Day is "at hand" and paul repeats the Lord is him who's parousia is AFTER the working of satan.

Give the the compound Greek words that make the Apostasia. Being a Female noun that means what?

*apostasy :


G646
ἀποστασία
apostasia
ap-os-tas-ee'-ah
Feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly the state), (“apostasy”): - falling away, forsake.

G647
ἀποστάσιον
apostasion
ap-os-tas'-ee-on
Neuter of a (presumed) adjective from a derivative of G868; properly something separative, that is, (specifically) divorce: - (writing of) divorcement.


when many see the false Christs claiming to be Jesus with signs and lying wonders to seduce them away they follow after the very thing Jesus told believers NOT to follow after in luke 21:8. many worship satan coming claiming to be God with all power signs and wonders because they have been taught a lie that Jesus' parousia is before Jesus said it was: after the tribulation matt 24:29-31.

to worship satan makes one a whore of babylon,tare/goat/unbeliever

to refuse satan and his false Christs and wait for Jesus makes one a wise virgin/wheat/sheep who believed Him

the church is NOT gathered first as some would have you believe, to believe that lie leads one to fall away first or be gathered as tares first matt 13:30

hat's amazing is you didn't post any scriptures to counter because you can't, in fact why don't you post the verse that says Jesus Christ comes pre trib to fly away the church as here's the documentation in scripture Jesus Christ comes after the tribulation:

What is amazing is that you have not addressed all the ones I have posted.


* sure lets start with the verse that gives pre tribbers the right to say Jesus comes pre trib because I can't find it in scripture anywhere, I can however find in matt 24:21-31 where Jesus warns me about the coming false Christs coming to seduce by claiming to be Him before His post trib rapture.

pre tribbers have been bewitched into thinking the coming of false Christs is really Jesus.




When does Jesus come in this scripture?
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

pre trib doctrine teachers trys to use matt 24:26 when someone disagrees with their pre trib "add on" to pauls words, matt 24:36 says know man knows the day or hour yet that does NOT cancel out matt 24:29-31 the post trib rapture taught by Jesus:

When does Jesus come in this scripture?
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

seems you left out the part about the angels gathering the elect at the 2nd advent:
Matthew 24:31


31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.


according to Jesus Christ the Lord the timing of His "Day" is after the tribulation