The destruction of the temple in 70AD, how do futurists deal with this?

[Dorothy Mae]

In case someone does not know, the temple in Jerusalem that Jesus predicted would be destroyed was in 70AD. The short version is the Jews had rebelled against Rome and their policy was that all rebellion was put down mercilessly and as swiftly as possible. So the Romans under General Titus attacked the city and inadvertently the temple furnishings caught fire and the whole thing was destroyed. The gold decorating the temple melted and ran down so that the soldiers afterwards upturned all the stones looking for the gold so that no literal stone was left upon another. Jesus said this would happen in Matthew 24 and so it happened as he predicted.

My question to the futurists (those who believe the events of Matter 24 and Revelation are to come) how you deal with this obvious fulfillment of those predictions. There is no denying that this event was fulfilled in the past.

To make matters worse for you, he told the believers that when they see Jerusalem surrounded by armies to leave the city. He used the typical Hebrew what we call exaggeration of not even going back and getting some stuff if you are out in the field to impress upon them the imperative. It was actually quite some days before the surrounding armies left (for no known reason) and the destroying army returned. The christians living then thought that Jesus' prediction about the destruction was for them and they left town and went to Jabba, I believe. No christians were living in Jerusalem at the time the temple fell. Matthew 24 predictions were for them and they knew it and saved themselves by leaving (no one whisked them away out of danger.)

So do you look for a new temple to be rebuilt so it can be destroyed? Do you take part of Matthew 24 being fulfilled but not all (which is what I do as well just different parts?) Were you not aware that this prediction of Jesus was fulfilled in that generation?

 

[jerry63935]

they will rebuild the temple about half way through trib.. we dont need a temple but the jews think they do

 

[Dorothy Mae]

they will rebuild the temple about half way through trib.. we dont need a temple but the jews think they do

That is often what I’ve heard. The Temple that took Herod decades to finish will be built and destroyed in the 3.5 year tribulation. How they get the Dome of the Rock back is the real wonder.

 

[Bluedragon]

That is often what I’ve heard. The Temple that took Herod decades to finish will be built and destroyed in the 3.5 year tribulation. How they get the Dome of the Rock back is the real wonder.

The question to ask ....What in the Jewish faith, tells the followers that a third temple would be destroyed?
When the waters are muddied due to supposition ..... it makes the question hard to answer ...
What does the Jewish faith say about a third temple? It's no one elses temple .....it's a Jewish Temple .....
The Christian faith has no bearing on the third Temple ...

The Dome of the Rock is not where the Temple stood. For whatever reason, a rock on the Temple mount was exposed after the Romans destroyed the flooring to get the gold that had melted and seeped into the joints of the floor. So, in the fighting over the centuries for possession of Jerusalem ...... the Muslims were so fearful of the City and the return of Christ ,,,,,they created ways to "prevent" the return. Let's build a Mosque in a city on the Temple Mount, where Mohammad never visited and let's say that a made up impression in the esposed rock is the footprint of Mohammad as he ascended into heaven ....Just a series of the "made up events" of Islam .....written hundreds of years after Mohammad was secrety buried after his death ....Just as easily made up as the claim that Jesus would never walk through a Muslim grave yard to enter the eastern gate of the City ....What says that is the gate that existed when Jesus was alive? The Dome is not on the property .....that David bought ....we are looking at a threshing floor with a spring ....That is not where the Dome of the Rock stands today ....

Keep in mind, the Jews left in Jerusalem were so fearful of the Romans, when Constatine sent his wife to discover relics ...that a lot of exagerated tales emerged from that visit ....

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The question to ask ....What in the Jewish faith, tells the followers that a third temple would be destroyed?
When the waters are muddied due to supposition ..... it makes the question hard to answer ...
What does the Jewish faith say about a third temple? It's no one elses temple .....it's a Jewish Temple .....
The Christian faith has no bearing on the third Temple ...

The Dome of the Rock is not where the Temple stood. For whatever reason, a rock on the Temple mount was exposed after the Romans destroyed the flooring to get the gold that had melted and seeped into the joints of the floor. So, in the fighting over the centuries for possession of Jerusalem ...... the Muslims were so fearful of the City and the return of Christ ,,,,,they created ways to "prevent" the return. Let's build a Mosque in a city on the Temple Mount, where Mohammad never visited and let's say that a made up impression in the esposed rock is the footprint of Mohammad as he ascended into heaven ....Just a series of the "made up events" of Islam .....written hundreds of years after Mohammad was secrety buried after his death ....Just as easily made up as the claim that Jesus would never walk through a Muslim grave yard to enter the eastern gate of the City ....What says that is the gate that existed when Jesus was alive? The Dome is not on the property .....that David bought ....we are looking at a threshing floor with a spring ....That is not where the Dome of the Rock stands today ....

Keep in mind, the Jews left in Jerusalem were so fearful of the Romans, when Constatine sent his wife to discover relics ...that a lot of exagerated tales emerged from that visit ....

I have no idea what Jews believe regarding a temple. Does it have bearing on what futurists believe?

 

[jerry63935]

Does it have bearing on what futurists believe?

its part of the plan its just something the jews will do. but has no bearing on Christians

 

[Dorothy Mae]

its part of the plan its just something the jews will do. but has no bearing on Christians

So for those who hold that eschatology, it’s part of the plan although I’ve not heard that they’re planning it except from futurists. But maybe I wouldn’t hear of it anyway.

 

[jerry63935]

it except from futurists.

how can i say your so wrong.. the temple is to be built the antichrist will be around . after it is built the abomination of desolation will happen.. the sooner you drop the theories and take the Bible for what it is says. not what you want. there was a preacher named Ervin Baxter that held the same view as you do. that taught the temple would be rebuilt. its in the Book read it

 

[for_his_glory]

If the Jews want to build another Temple God is not going to honor it. This is money that should help the needy in Israel. I don't need anyone to agree or disagree with this as I am just putting it out there and will not debate it.

Ezra 6:14-15 the Jews did not build the second Temple according to the vision Ezekiel received, Ezekiel 40-48. Instead, God commanded his prophets Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi not to build the Temple according to Ezekiel's vision because it was intended to be an everlasting edifice connected with everlasting redemption, something the Israelites were not ready to receive after their exile from Babylon.

When the Jewish people emerged from exile at the decree of Babylon's King Cyrus their repentance was only partial and many of the Jews remained under foreign rule. The second Temple was built under Ezra’s leadership and Israel continued practicing Judaism and their Temple was desecrated as part of an effort to impose Greek-oriented culture and customs on the entire population. Roman rule refurbished the temple as Herod, Romans vassal king, rules the land of Israel. In 70 A.D. the Temple is once again destroyed. The Temple Mount was taken over in 691 A.D. as the Arab nation built the Dome of the Rock and there has not been any other Temple built since that time on the original Temple Mount.

The cornerstone for the new Temple was brought to Jerusalem on May 21, 2009 and still remains on the street. "Jerusalem Day" in 1967 was to celebrate the liberation of the Temple Mount, but there is a problem there as the Dome of the Rock sits on the Temple Mount. Baruch Ben-Yosel , chairman of the Movement to Restore the Temple, made it clear that the Temple had to be built in the exact spot where the Dome of the Rock sits.

There will never be a third Temple built by hands, Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24. When the veil of the Temple was torn from top to bottom after Jesus gave up the ghost, Matthew 27:50, 51, this symbolized that the sacrifice of Jesus and the shedding of his blood was now made for the atonement of sin and that all, Jew and Gentile, can come before Him as He is the only way to the Father, John 14:6.

There is no more veil for the Priest to enter into the Holy of Holies once a year to make atonement for Israel's sin, nor is there any more animal sacrifices as we are no longer under the Old Covenant nor the preaching of the law, but are under a new and better covenant of Gods grace through Christ Jesus as our High Priest, Hebrews 4:14-16. Jesus prophesied of the Temple being desolate and that no one will see Him again until His time comes meaning when He returns on the last day, Matthew 24:1, 2; Luke 13:34, 35, John 6:40.

God no longer dwells in a Temple made by hands, Acts 7:48, 49, and this is why God left it desolate all these years when it was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD, Hebews 9:11-28; 10:1-4. Now the Dome of the Rock sits on the Temple Mount and was built around 692 AD. The Muslims will never give it over to Israel, plus the Dome of the Rock is being refurbished for the son of perdition (not a Muslim man) to come and sit on his throne on the very Temple Mount of God and will cause a great falling away from truth, Isaiah 14:12-14; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.

Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for being the last sacrifical lamb taking away all the sin of the world. God no longer dwells in a temple made by hands, Acts 7:48-50; 17:22-31; Hebrews 10:7-18

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The church, (body of Christ) is the temple where God dwells by His Holy Spirit, Zechariah 6:9-15 (prophecy of coming Messiah); 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17; Ephesians 2:19-22, Galatians 3:19-29.

In 70AD the second temple was destroyed and put an end to the temple made by hands and the sacrifices made there. The Temple of God now dwells in all who are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10.

 

[jerry63935]

its part of the plan its just something the jews will do. but has no bearing on Christians

 

[Dorothy Mae]

how can i say your so wrong.. the temple is to be built the antichrist will be around . after it is built the abomination of desolation will happen.. the sooner you drop the theories and take the Bible for what it is says. not what you want. there was a preacher named Ervin Baxter that held the same view as you do. that taught the temple would be rebuilt. its in the Book read it

That is a description of a futurist position.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

its part of the plan its just something the jews will do. but has no bearing on Christians

That too is a futurist position. That’s not the only option out there.

 

[jerry63935]

That too is a futurist position. That’s not the only option out there.

sigh its future read the book of Daniel the Abomination of desolation the antichrist will make a cov with the jews then break it. . it has no bearing on those saved. but then again i wont be here. the great tribulation is also referred to as time of jacobs trouble Jer. 30:4–10--Dan. 9:27. but for those with tunnel vision its very hard to see

 

[Consecrated Life]

Jesus's referring to the destruction of the present Temple his disciples were looking at that moment , and the future events surrounding a Temple prophesized by Daniel regarding the " Prince who is to come", are two separate events & times

Dan 9:26
..... and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

This wicked Prince who will confirm a covenant with Israel at the beginning of the tribulation as prophesized by Daniel :

Dan 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week

And when he breaks the covenant with Israel in the middle of the tribulation he will outlaw the Temple sacrifice that he had instituted in peace :

Dan 9:27
..... and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

He can't outlaw the Temple sacrifice in the middle of a covenant he has made if there is no Temple.

This Temple continues to play a paramount role as this vile prince then takes up his throne in the Temple and demand that he be worshiped as God .

 

[Dorothy Mae]

If the Jews want to build another Temple God is not going to honor it. This is money that should help the needy in Israel. I don't need anyone to agree or disagree with this as I am just putting it out there and will not debate it.

Ezra 6:14-15 the Jews did not build the second Temple according to the vision Ezekiel received, Ezekiel 40-48. Instead, God commanded his prophets Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi not to build the Temple according to Ezekiel's vision because it was intended to be an everlasting edifice connected with everlasting redemption, something the Israelites were not ready to receive after their exile from Babylon.

When the Jewish people emerged from exile at the decree of Babylon's King Cyrus their repentance was only partial and many of the Jews remained under foreign rule. The second Temple was built under Ezra’s leadership and Israel continued practicing Judaism and their Temple was desecrated as part of an effort to impose Greek-oriented culture and customs on the entire population. Roman rule refurbished the temple as Herod, Romans vassal king, rules the land of Israel. In 70 A.D. the Temple is once again destroyed. The Temple Mount was taken over in 691 A.D. as the Arab nation built the Dome of the Rock and there has not been any other Temple built since that time on the original Temple Mount.

The cornerstone for the new Temple was brought to Jerusalem on May 21, 2009 and still remains on the street. "Jerusalem Day" in 1967 was to celebrate the liberation of the Temple Mount, but there is a problem there as the Dome of the Rock sits on the Temple Mount. Baruch Ben-Yosel , chairman of the Movement to Restore the Temple, made it clear that the Temple had to be built in the exact spot where the Dome of the Rock sits.

There will never be a third Temple built by hands, Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24. When the veil of the Temple was torn from top to bottom after Jesus gave up the ghost, Matthew 27:50, 51, this symbolized that the sacrifice of Jesus and the shedding of his blood was now made for the atonement of sin and that all, Jew and Gentile, can come before Him as He is the only way to the Father, John 14:6.

There is no more veil for the Priest to enter into the Holy of Holies once a year to make atonement for Israel's sin, nor is there any more animal sacrifices as we are no longer under the Old Covenant nor the preaching of the law, but are under a new and better covenant of Gods grace through Christ Jesus as our High Priest, Hebrews 4:14-16. Jesus prophesied of the Temple being desolate and that no one will see Him again until His time comes meaning when He returns on the last day, Matthew 24:1, 2; Luke 13:34, 35, John 6:40.

God no longer dwells in a Temple made by hands, Acts 7:48, 49, and this is why God left it desolate all these years when it was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD, Hebews 9:11-28; 10:1-4. Now the Dome of the Rock sits on the Temple Mount and was built around 692 AD. The Muslims will never give it over to Israel, plus the Dome of the Rock is being refurbished for the son of perdition (not a Muslim man) to come and sit on his throne on the very Temple Mount of God and will cause a great falling away from truth, Isaiah 14:12-14; 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.

Jesus fulfilled everything the temple stood for being the last sacrifical lamb taking away all the sin of the world. God no longer dwells in a temple made by hands, Acts 7:48-50; 17:22-31; Hebrews 10:7-18

Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name shall be great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense shall be offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name shall be great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The church, (body of Christ) is the temple where God dwells by His Holy Spirit, Zechariah 6:9-15 (prophecy of coming Messiah); 1 Corinthians 3:16, 17; Ephesians 2:19-22, Galatians 3:19-29.

In 70AD the second temple was destroyed and put an end to the temple made by hands and the sacrifices made there. The Temple of God now dwells in all who are Spiritually born again and indwelled with the Holy Spirit, John 3:5-7; Romans 10:9, 10.

So do you believe part of Matthew 24 was fulfilled?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Jesus's referring to the destruction of the present Temple his disciples were looking at that moment , and the future events surrounding a Temple prophesized by Daniel regarding the " Prince who is to come", are two separate events & times

Dan 9:26
..... and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

This wicked Prince who will confirm a covenant with Israel at the beginning of the tribulation as prophesized by Daniel :

Dan 9:27
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week

And when he breaks the covenant with Israel in the middle of the tribulation he will outlaw the Temple sacrifice that he had instituted in peace :

Dan 9:27
..... and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

He can't outlaw the Temple sacrifice in the middle of a covenant he has made if there is no Temple.

This Temple continues to play a paramount role as this vile prince then takes up his throne in the Temple and demand that he be worshiped as God .

Thank you for this explanation. My question was real and I appreciate your response. It is interesting to come to understand how others think in a matter that interests you.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

its Bible

The idea that there is more than one view of eschatology and scripture in general does not seem to occur to you. Tolerance is accepting that real devoted christians don’t all think alike and wisdom is learning what those with whom you don’t agree think.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

sigh its future read the book of Daniel the Abomination of desolation the antichrist will make a cov with the jews then break it. . it has no bearing on those saved. but then again i wont be here. the great tribulation is also referred to as time of jacobs trouble Jer. 30:4–10--Dan. 9:27. but for those with tunnel vision its very hard to see

It was future for Daniel.

 

[jerry63935]

It was future for Daniel.

noooooooooo it future for us

 

[jerry63935]

It was future for Daniel.

and i guess Isiah 9:6 was just for Isiah only