The End Time and YOU

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The End Time and YOU

This thread is meant to bring to light some various aspects of END TIME to think about in the ‘personal’ vein.

I use the ‘singular’ tense application of the term TIME, in accordance with various statements of Revelation shown here specifically using that singular tense:

[FONT=&quot]Revelation 1:3[/FONT]
Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

[FONT=&quot]Revelation 10:6[/FONT]
And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

[FONT=&quot]Revelation 11:18[/FONT]
And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

[FONT=&quot]Revelation 12:12[/FONT]
Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Will insert a couple of what may be termed a ‘common sense’ application in studying ‘end time’ scenario’s at this juncture, looking specifically at the DEVIL having A TIME.

Time itself is not applied in the scriptures only to mankind or only the history of mankind. In Rev. 12:12 we can all clearly see that THE DEVIL does in fact have A TIME. Even a ‘short time.’

Now, anyone again with a half a wit might be able to see that TIME as it may apply to the DEVIL'S TIME, even being 'short' is as we perceive time in the worldly sense quite a long time.

If we take the serpent in the garden for example as being a pictogram of the DEVIL and extend that working clear through to the days of Jesus on earth, that would be it seems quite a LONG time in the worldly sense, but that is in fact SATAN'S TIME or the TIME of the DEVIL.

Any ‘believer’ reading the scriptures, particularly of Revelation and all the various relational components to these matters outside of the particular book of Revelation should be easily able to come to a position of understanding that these matters are laid out in parables, allegories, similitudes and terms such as ‘like’ and ‘as’ which are assuredly ‘associational’ terms.

They have about exactly ZERO to do with ticks on a worldly clock.

And at this point I'd request any 'full preterists' to with hold their ridiculous notions about 'short time' in this LIGHT of this particular application of TIME as it pertains to the DEVIL as that is just not the case of SHORT in the worldly sense of SHORT.

Will come back to this matter of TIME in the singular applications later.

Where Jesus for example said this as an ‘expression:’

[FONT=&quot]Matthew 3:2[/FONT]
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Now, you can look at your hand all the day long and you will not see heaven there on or at your hand. Obviously these again are all meant to be terms of association, of allegory, of parable. These kinds of statements are meant to FORCE us into allegorical sights rather than strictly literal applications.

Similar phraseology is displayed in the O.T. on these matters, here for example:

[FONT=&quot]Deuteronomy 17:20[/FONT]
That his heart be not lifted up above his brethren, and that he turn not aside from the commandment, to the right hand, or to the left: to the end that he may prolong his days in his kingdom, he, and his children, in the midst of Israel.

Again so very clearly having one’s heart lifted up does not mean standing on a chair placing ones heart higher than their brethren nor does turning either right or left in the strictly physical sense have anything to do with the statements above.

Neither is ‘his kingdom’ a ‘kingdom’ as we might perceive a ‘kingdom’ in the worldly sense, as an extension of external lands and possessions and servants.

The ‘kingdom’ that is referenced therein is A MAN himself in his own behaviors, attitudes and actions. That is, in effect A MAN’S KINGDOM, personally applied. His own kingdom. It has little to do with an external worldly application of that TERM.

Are we getting a ‘picture’ yet?

Let’s look then at ‘whom else’ has ‘a KINGDOM’ according to Jesus’ Disclosures:

[FONT=&quot]Luke 11:18[/FONT]
If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.

So, opening this thread, I’m laying down a few very basic principles of understandings as it will pertain to ‘END TIME’ studies.

A. They are allegorical in nature
B. Because they speak of matters unseen, as in Satan’s kingdom
C. Satan has both A TIME and A KINGDOM

Most believers tend to lean only to external views of these matters. In this thread I’ll make some observations of these very basic and simple premises that will KEEP you from getting waylaid by the fever of external applications and always and only looking on the OUTSIDE of the CUP as it relates to END TIME. You could search the scriptures all the day long and NEVER SEE in the physical senses, Satan, his TIME or his KINGDOM. That is why these matters are in part, expressed via ALLEGORIES so they can be perceived beyond the realm of the purely literalist sights, which not only do not, but can not work whatsoever.

Such sight are in fact quite CARNAL or FLESHLY.

I think you might find the matters much more interesting when viewed in the LIGHT of these simple facts.

enjoy!

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[Knotical]

Quite frankly the only thing anyone needs to be concerned with in regard to the end of the world is to live as if it will happen at anytime, which means to make sure you salvation is secure, but plan as if it will not happen in your lifetime, which means you should not just give up living. You should still go to work, pay your bills, and plan for the future.

Too many times have I come across people who believe that the end of the world will be happening any day now. There are some who have just stopped paying their mortgage or other bills, or taxes and suddenly they get foreclosed on, or evicted from where they are living just because they think Jesus is coming "tomorrow."

 

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Quite frankly the only thing anyone needs to be concerned with in regard to the end of the world is to live as if it will happen at anytime, which means to make sure you salvation is secure, but plan as if it will not happen in your lifetime, which means you should not just give up living. You should still go to work, pay your bills, and plan for the future.

Too many times have I come across people who believe that the end of the world will be happening any day now. There are some who have just stopped paying their mortgage or other bills, or taxes and suddenly they get foreclosed on, or evicted from where they are living just because they think Jesus is coming "tomorrow."

In this thread I will make observations that the 'end time' is in actuality about 'each' of us and has been for 'every' believer.

It is and always has been an 'internal' matter and has little if anything to do with 'external observations.'

As noted in the first post we see a KINGDOM of heaven and an KINGDOM of Satan.

Now, where we see KINGDOM rising against KINGDOM would we be looking then at KINGDOMS of mankind?

Uh, no. Not even close. In fact it is quite absurd to look in that direction.

And I'll delineate how this matter plays into 'time' and 'generation' singular tense later in this thread.

s

 

[JLB]

Quite frankly the only thing anyone needs to be concerned with in regard to the end of the world is to live as if it will happen at anytime, which means to make sure you salvation is secure, but plan as if it will not happen in your lifetime, which means you should not just give up living. You should still go to work, pay your bills, and plan for the future.

Too many times have I come across people who believe that the end of the world will be happening any day now. There are some who have just stopped paying their mortgage or other bills, or taxes and suddenly they get foreclosed on, or evicted from where they are living just because they think Jesus is coming "tomorrow."

I appreciate your practical advise. I would like to add to what you said, with what Jesus said -

After listing all the signs leading up to His Coming and the end of the age, Jesus said this -

45 "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season?

Wise, as in knowing what to do with whom and when, so that you are able to "feed them in due season".

[Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.]

Faithful in doing what you know to do.


JLB

 

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The first mention of time in the singular tense is with Cain, here:

Genesis 4:3
And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

Knowing that Cain obviously 'sinned' and that 'sin is of the DEVIL' who also has 'a time' what might one observe about this particular matter?

We know that the serpent was consigned, even 'cursed' by God to eat what?

DUST.

Genesis 3:14
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Are we then talking about a physical snake crawling on the ground and literally eating DIRT? Uh, no.

The 'habitation' of Satan is in fact within the flesh or DUST OF MAN.

We also know that DUST is where Adam, the first FLESH MAN was taken and formed from.

What is DUST then? Dust on the face of the earth or the DUST of our current, soon to fail earthly body?

Yeah, it's our DUST body. The 'ground' of our BODY. The 'serpent' does not eat 'dust' per se as dust on the ground, but US, in the dust of our own ground, our FLESH. If you do not perceive that the habitation of Satan/devils are factually 'in man' I'd suggest any casual read through the N.T. Gospels should quite thoroughly dispel that notion as this fact is shown on nearly every page of the Gospels.

Why then did God NOT accept Cain's offering? Look where it came from. THE GROUND.

What was really going on in the GROUND of Cain?

1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Now, before anyone mistakes this fact as the 'serpent seed' FALSE guesswork about Cain himself alone being a DEVIL let's dispense with this notion here and now.

Prior to Gods dispelling of Adam from the Garden, here was the FATE of Adam as it pertained to the GROUND:

Genesis 3:
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

Are we talking again about ground under our feet where thorns, thistles and herbs are planted?

Uh, no. The ground is the DUST BODY. The curse is the produce of same, THORNS AND THISTLES.

Well what in the 'world' is a THORN or THISTLE?

Let's look at PAUL'S THORN as an example. No, it was not a thorn off of a cactus or a plant.

2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

I would think that at least a few readers are kind of getting the picture here that 'terms' are not as they appear to be in the strictly literal sense.

Paul practiced comparative purposes in his own writings, that of comparing spiritual to spiritual.

The Spirit WILL divulge that the THORN and the THISTLE is in fact an 'allegory' of Satan and his messengers and there are MANY such terms of allegory for that working that will extend progessively into REVELATION.

2 Samuel 23:6
But the sons of Belial shall be all of them as thorns thrust away, because they cannot be taken with hands:

Belial: WICKED/UNGODLY/EVIL

Are Satan and his messengers THESE? Undoubtedly. And WHERE are these found but IN MAN? Within the GROUND. In the DUST.

Proverbs 22:5
Thorns and snares are in the way of the froward: he that doth keep his soul shall be far from them.

Physical 'thorns' and traps set for game? Uh, no. Not in the physical sense whatsoever.

Proverbs 26:9
As a thorn goeth up into the hand of a drunkard, so is a parable in the mouths of fools.

Fools are not very good at understanding PARABLES.

Song of Solomon 2:2
As the lily among thorns, so is my love among the daughters.

Will continue laying down some 'ground' work for this thread.

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In PROPHECY, generally speaking, ALL of those matters are conveyed in SYMBOLS or SIMILITUDES.

As noted prior, any casual read of Revelation will find it filled to the brim with what?

Similitudes.

Hosea 12:10
I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

Again, anyone reading the Prophets should come to find that they too spoke PRIMARILY and ABUNDANTLY via what?

SIMILITUDE.

Similitude of WHAT is always then the question isn't it?

Jesus gave us ALL a most simple dissection tool for ALL parables. And yes, SIMILITUDES are also PARABLES. They are matters shown by 'allegories' or 'comparisons' or 'things similar' but not 'the same as' the terms being deployed.

Christians for example might consider themselves as both SHEEP and WHEAT.

Are you a literal sheep? Or a stalk of wheat?

Let's get real about the scriptures and the CONSTRUCTS~!!!

If one has 'no foundation' of what these matters are how in the 'world' would they even know what they are talking about or what they are reading? Fact is, those who 'know' parables 'know' what they mean by Jesus' statements of what they mean. It's not like we were left without any 'methods' of decipher other than idiotic guesswork.

And if any want to argue about the difference between a parable and a similitude take your observations to another thread as this will not be it. Similitudes are by nature the same as PARABLES. They covey in a 'physical sense' SOMETHING OTHER than that which is being shown. In this way a similitude, an allegory, a parable, terms such as 'as' or 'like' or 'likened to' are in fact ALL parables or similitudes.

Does that mean you as A SHEEP or a stalk of WHEAT do not exist or are an allegory or a parable? NO!

They are in fact REAL MATTERS of YOU being 'like' a SHEEP or 'as' WHEAT.

Jesus for example told this to Peter (even using his first name before intentionally rather than Peter:

Luke 22:31
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

Again and obviously Simon was not a literal WHEAT stalk NOR is Satan a 'visible' entity.

That's part, a BIG part of why these various matters are laid out in PARABLE forms because we are not dealing with PHYSICALLY TANGIBLE MATTERS.

That's also how you can 'tell' if someone discussing the 'end time' even has a CLUE about what they are discussing because believers who are always and only looking to OUTSIDE and EXTERNAL measures of those matters are in reality speaking nearly entirely as BLIND MEN in the arena of PARABLE and ALLEGORY. 99.9% of the time they don't even have the very BASIC components of any similitude nailed down to any particular determinative measures and they are almost all entirely void of at least ONE of the MAJOR COMPONENTS to every last similitude/parable and allegory.

So, let's take a LOOK at what those components are by Jesus Own Mouth and try to 'get real' about 'end time.'

If you do happen to get the picture by now that the matters are parable/allegory and steeped in symbols, by what measures might we apply to GET some understandings?

Let's start with what Jesus Himself gave us for ALL PARABLES:

Will take this apart on a one line dissection from MARK 4:

13 And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables?

Here is Jesus speaking to the untrained MASSES:

This is noted as HIS DOCTRINE:

2 And he taught them many things by parables, and said unto them in his doctrine,
3 Hearken; Behold, there went out a sower to sow:
4 And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.

IT IS ONLY unto DISCIPLES who are actually INTERESTED in WHAT Jesus has to say that the MEANINGS are applied. To others who are NOT INTERESTED they do not GET TO HEAR.

Disciples are those who SEEK to understand OUR MASTER and what HE has to say about these things.

If one has no interest in HEARING then they are simply NOT a disciple, but are in fact only interested in hearing what 'they alone' think, NOT what Jesus actually SAID. Such are NOT Disciples.

Disciples LISTEN to our MASTER. And from HIM we 'gain' ALL of our 'in'sights so to speak.

So, what did Jesus teach His Disciples about that same matter of fowls of the air?

11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

14 The sower soweth the word.
15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

The above is what 'this' means:

4 And it came to pass, as he sowed, some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and devoured it up.

Can any Disciple NOW see that the 'fowls of the air' are in fact PARABLES of SATAN?

Does that mean SATAN is just a parable? No. Just as YOU are in fact a SHEEP or a WHEAT, so is SATAN a form of 'fowl of the air.' Paul even termed SATAN a PRINCE OF THE POWER OF THE AIR. Paul also termed Satan as 'the spirit of DISOBEDIENCE.'

Let's apply some 'Disciple LOGIC' here. IF that parable is the method of understanding ALL parables, what then are the basic components to ALL PARABLES?

Very simply THESE:

A. Wherever the Word of God is sown
B. They are sown, ALL such Words of God, with PEOPLE
C. Satan is attracted by DIVINE PRINCIPLE to come into the heart immediately where such WORDS are sown by THE SOWER, GOD or as such 'sown' by Disciples/Apostles.

Anyone who is trying to READ Revelation/SIMILITUDE without the basic components that JESUS GAVE us is in effect TOTALLY BLIND in their sights.

Every last LINE is in fact going to be 'FACTUALLY' about:

GOD
PEOPLE
DEVILS

If these components are missing, then the understanding is VOID and the SEER is not LISTENING TO JESUS.

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If we were to take Jesus Word fact of Parable back to the Garden of Eden what might we see happened to ADAM as it pertains to 'his ground?'

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

Did this then happen to Adam?

Of course! Was Satan hanging in the tree of the knowledge of good and evil?

No! Satan entered the heart of Adam 'immediately' after God sowed His Blessings upon him.

And this has in fact been the continuing condition of MAN ever since.

But there is MORE WORD that we need to understand to find our understandings of Gods Words.

And to this we again turn to whom? That's right. Jesus, who had this to say about GODS WORD as it applies to MAN:

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

I'd suggest that as a supposed Disciple, if you hear DEATH WORDS of God and do not think you yourself can FIND LIFE therein, you are simply not LISTENING.

Here are THE WORDS that Jesus had/has and WILL HAVE:

John 6:68
Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

I might suggest that if you do not have THE WORD OF LIFE 'in you' you are NOT going to get through the END TIME.

And I only mean that in the sense of UNDERSTANDING.

s

 

[JLB]

The first mention of time in the singular tense is with Cain, here:

Genesis 4:3
And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.

Knowing that Cain obviously 'sinned' and that 'sin is of the DEVIL' who also has 'a time' what might one observe about this particular matter?

We know that the serpent was consigned, even 'cursed' by God to eat what?

DUST.

Genesis 3:14
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Are we then talking about a physical snake crawling on the ground and literally eating DIRT? Uh, no.

The 'habitation' of Satan is in fact within the flesh or DUST OF MAN.

We also know that DUST is where Adam, the first FLESH MAN was taken and formed from.

What is DUST then? Dust on the face of the earth or the DUST of our current, soon to fail earthly body?

Yeah, it's our DUST body. The 'ground' of our BODY. The 'serpent' does not eat 'dust' per se as dust on the ground, but US, in the dust of our own ground, our FLESH. If you do not perceive that the habitation of Satan/devils are factually 'in man' I'd suggest any casual read through the N.T. Gospels should quite thoroughly dispel that notion as this fact is shown on nearly every page of the Gospels.

Why then did God NOT accept Cain's offering? Look where it came from. THE GROUND.

What was really going on in the GROUND of Cain?

1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Now, before anyone mistakes this fact as the 'serpent seed' FALSE guesswork about Cain himself alone being a DEVIL let's dispense with this notion here and now.

Prior to Gods dispelling of Adam from the Garden, here was the FATE of Adam as it pertained to the GROUND:

Genesis 3:
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;

Are we talking again about ground under our feet where thorns, thistles and herbs are planted?

Uh, no. The ground is the DUST BODY. The curse is the produce of same, THORNS AND THISTLES.

Well what in the 'world' is a THORN or THISTLE?

Let's look at PAUL'S THORN as an example. No, it was not a thorn off of a cactus or a plant.

2 Corinthians 12:7
And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

I would think that at least a few readers are kind of getting the picture here that 'terms' are not as they appear to be in the strictly literal sense.

Paul practiced comparative purposes in his own writings, that of comparing spiritual to spiritual.

The Spirit WILL divulge that the THORN and the THISTLE is in fact an 'allegory' of Satan and his messengers and there are MANY such terms of allegory for that working that will extend progessively into REVELATION.

2 Samuel 23:6
But the sons of Belial shall be all of them as thorns thrust away, because they cannot be taken with hands:

Belial: WICKED/UNGODLY/EVIL

Are Satan and his messengers THESE? Undoubtedly. And WHERE are these found but IN MAN? Within the GROUND. In the DUST.

Proverbs 22:5
Thorns and snares are in the way of the froward: he that doth keep his soul shall be far from them.

Physical 'thorns' and traps set for game? Uh, no. Not in the physical sense whatsoever.

Proverbs 26:9
As a thorn goeth up into the hand of a drunkard, so is a parable in the mouths of fools.

Fools are not very good at understanding PARABLES.

Song of Solomon 2:2
As the lily among thorns, so is my love among the daughters.

Will continue laying down some 'ground' work for this thread.

s

Are we then talking about a physical snake crawling on the ground and literally eating DIRT? Uh, no.

The 'habitation' of Satan is in fact within the flesh or DUST OF MAN.

We also know that DUST is where Adam, the first FLESH MAN was taken and formed from.

What is DUST then? Dust on the face of the earth or the DUST of our current, soon to fail earthly body?

Yeah, it's our DUST body. The 'ground' of our BODY. The 'serpent' does not eat 'dust' per se as dust on the ground, but US, in the dust of our own ground, our FLESH. If you do not perceive that the habitation of Satan/devils are factually 'in man' I'd suggest any casual read through the N.T. Gospels should quite thoroughly dispel that notion as this fact is shown on nearly every page of the Gospels.

Why then did God NOT accept Cain's offering? Look where it came from. THE GROUND.

What was really going on in the GROUND of Cain?

The fruit of the ground was not the issue.

Cain's offering was not the issue.

Cain was the issue.


5 but He did not respect Cain and his offering. And Cain was very angry, and his countenance fell.


He did not respect Cain, therefore what ever he brought made no difference.

Cain wasn't right, therefore his works were not right, and certainly his offering was not acceptable, not because it was of the ground, because he was not right!

Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.


JLB

 

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The fruit of the ground was not the issue.

Cain's offering was not the issue.

Cain was the issue.

I'd say only that so far you have missed nearly the entirety of these matters.

Perhaps wade through the simplicities and try again.

Will even give you a short track if you can even see it?

WAS it just CAIN there in 'his own ground?'

And my answer to that question is NO.

Now, if you have been paying any attention whatsoever WHO ELSE was in the ground of Cain, seeing how you see CAIN was the problem?

???

s

 

[JLB]

I'd say only that so far you have missed nearly the entirety of these matters.

Perhaps wade through the simplicities and try again.

Will even give you a short track if you can even see it?

WAS it just CAIN there in 'his own ground?'

And my answer to that question is NO.

Now, if you have been paying any attention whatsoever WHO ELSE was in the ground of Cain, seeing how you see CAIN was the problem?

???

s

I didn't miss anything.

Cain was the problem, not the ground, not the offering.

If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it."

Notice it doesn't say, Satan is at your door. Sin is at your door.

Answer this question -

What was really going on in the GROUND of Abel?



JLB

 

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Notice it doesn't say, Satan is at your door. Sin is at your door.

Answer this question -

What was really going on in the GROUND of Abel?

Sin is of the devil.

Slice the fact however you please.

s

 

[JLB]

Sin is of the devil.

Slice the fact however you please.

s

Answer this question -

What was really going on in the GROUND of Abel?

What different about Abel's GROUND?



JLB

 

[Stormcrow]

Too many times have I come across people who believe that the end of the world will be happening any day now. There are some who have just stopped paying their mortgage or other bills, or taxes and suddenly they get foreclosed on, or evicted from where they are living just because they think Jesus is coming "tomorrow."

Beliefs have consequences.

 

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Answer this question -

What was really going on in the GROUND of Abel?

What different about Abel's GROUND?

Not much difference whatsoever. You think Abel was sinless?

As stated prior you are missing the point entirely and again.

If and when you see this fact:

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

then come back and tell me how you manage to see any person alone when that fact happens.

fact is, they aren't and that includes ALL of us.

s

 

[JLB]

Not much difference whatsoever. You think Abel was sinless?

As stated prior you are missing the point entirely and again.

If and when you see this fact:

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

then come back and tell me how you manage to see any person alone when that fact happens.

fact is, they aren't and that includes ALL of us.

s

And the Lord respected Abel and his offering,

By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts; and through it he being dead still speaks.

 

[JLB]

Yeah, it's our DUST body. The 'ground' of our BODY. The 'serpent' does not eat 'dust' per se as dust on the ground, but US, in the dust of our own ground, our FLESH. If you do not perceive that the habitation of Satan/devils are factually 'in man' I'd suggest any casual read through the N.T. Gospels should quite thoroughly dispel that notion as this fact is shown on nearly every page of the Gospels.

Go ahead and quote some scriptures that validate your point.


JLB

 

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And the Lord respected Abel and his offering,

By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts; and through it he being dead still speaks.

Both men were sinners regardless.

One of them happened to be internally controlled by the wicked one to the extension of murder. The other, not as much. Both sacrificed.

Sin is never just a question of 'man alone.' That is the point of this thread and our HOPE for the END of that TIME of the wicked one.

To see only man alone in sin is to remain blinded.

This has been addressed (to you in particular) many times. This happens to 'every sinner' and 'all' have sin, inclusive of believers:

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

This particular scripture set (abundantly provided in the N.T. many places) is also the 'basis' to understand ALL PARABLES.

These matters are conveyed 'allegorically' or 'in parables' because it concerns matters that are not and can not be 'viewed' by FLESH EYES.

Does what Jesus said in Mark 4:15 apply to you? My answer is YES for me and I see YES for 'all' others as well. These are not then merely discussions between 'you and I' are they?

There is in fact A RESISTOR to God in the hearts of ALL mankind. That RESISTOR has AN END TIME.

Your role in the END TIME of the RESISTOR only begins when you realize what is going on.

It's not about 'the other people' or the 'other blinded sinners' or some 'brick and mortar' building in another country.

It IS about Gods Promise of the END of the RESISTOR in the hearts of all of us.

And it is there, upon that fact that we also meet our own inevitable beheading.

s

 

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Yeah, it's our DUST body. The 'ground' of our BODY. The 'serpent' does not eat 'dust' per se as dust on the ground, but US, in the dust of our own ground, our FLESH. If you do not perceive that the habitation of Satan/devils are factually 'in man' I'd suggest any casual read through the N.T. Gospels should quite thoroughly dispel that notion as this fact is shown on nearly every page of the Gospels.

Go ahead and quote some scriptures that validate your point.

JLB

That's always the interesting part of theology. One can cite numerous proof texts showing certain facts. But when it comes to the TIME for them to be taken 'personally' is where rejection enters the heart and then they are not seen, heard or understood, as the facts being discussed are in effect unveiled by the rejectors.

It's a predictable phenomena. Happens every TIME.

s

 

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Quite frankly the only thing anyone needs to be concerned with in regard to the end of the world is to live as if it will happen at anytime, which means to make sure you salvation is secure, but plan as if it will not happen in your lifetime, which means you should not just give up living. You should still go to work, pay your bills, and plan for the future.

Too many times have I come across people who believe that the end of the world will be happening any day now. There are some who have just stopped paying their mortgage or other bills, or taxes and suddenly they get foreclosed on, or evicted from where they are living just because they think Jesus is coming "tomorrow."

This post takes me back in time......Mom and Dad are discussing the Lord and 'higher' education for my brothers...It is the late 50s Israel has become a state so rapture will be "soon'. the good ol 1948 + 40 ... The first i can remember was 1948 + 7 then 1955 and no rapture... Remembering setting out in the shade looking at the sky ..The clouds were thin those kind that look like steps i wondered if He would be walking down those steps...
Back to my point they decided higher education was not needed . To me this is just a small example of the Christian world being so concerned with escape we left God's creation to the world... We stepped out of being good conservators of the earth He gave us.... We are no reaping what we sowed...

PS some things change with mom and dad over time the child they had late in life got the education. He is a wonderful country doctor...

Great outlook Knotical!

 

[JLB]

That's always the interesting part of theology. One can cite numerous proof texts showing certain facts. But when it comes to the TIME for them to be taken 'personally' is where rejection enters the heart and then they are not seen, heard or understood, as the facts being discussed are in effect unveiled by the rejectors.

It's a predictable phenomena. Happens every TIME.

s

I'd suggest any casual read through the N.T. Gospels should quite thoroughly dispel that notion as this fact is shown on nearly every page of the Gospels.

Based on your statement, I am asking you to quote the scriptures in the new testament that should quite thoroughly dispel that notion as this fact is shown on nearly every page of the Gospels.

That doesn't mean for you to quote more of your theories, SCRIPTURE!


JLB