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The False Christ

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Litebeam

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Revelation is a huge and complicated subject. I have come to believe that in this age where our knowledge is increased and we have abilities such as the internet where knowledge may be shared and discussed, that we should be trying to help each other understand.

Here is how I am beginning to see things. I would appreciate any and all HELP in understanding the following passages.....





The Spirit of anti-Christ is in the world now. Soon Satan himself will make an appearance, claiming to be Christ Himself.


Rev. 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

This verse means that Satan was permitted or allowed to speak and have power for 42 months.


Of course we know that Jesus overrode this time period and shortened it,
else no flesh would be saved.


Mark 13:20 "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved:
but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."


We learn in Rev. 9 that the shortened period is 5 months, the time of the swarming locusts.



Rev. 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.


Many people when they read these last two verses imagine that the dragon, Satan,
the anti-Christ, is going to say evil things against God.

But he's not going to be speaking "bad things" about God.
He's going to be speaking AS GOD,

i.e. everything that comes out of his mouth is blasphemous because he is claiming that HE IS GOD.

That's the blaspheme!


Remember what Paul told us would happen BEFORE our gathering back to Christ?

2 Thes. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


2 Thes. 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Satan sits in the temple of God claiming to be the Messiah


-and all those Christians who didn't have enough oil in their lamps,
i.e. were Biblically illiterate and were not sealed with the knowledge of His Word,
are bowing to the dragon, worshipping Satan, believing he is Jesus!

The dragon is really good at deception.




And don't forget he's claiming he is Jesus Christ, King of kings and Lord of lords,
the ruler of the whole world with power over all kindred’s and tongues and nations.


And all the world believes this impostor!

Rev. 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


There it is, the Great Apostasy!


If you don't know ahead of time that there are two Christ’s, one real and one false.
If you don't understand God’s word real, real good,
then you will worship Satan as Jesus.


You see, from Ezekiel 28 we know how beautiful and marvellous
and wonderful and charismatic this guy really is!

And from Daniel we know he enters in peacefully and prosperously with a booming economy,
meaning big bucks for everyone

And from Revelation, chapter 12,
we know that he drew a third of God's children away from God in the first earth age!

And we know how He beguiled Adam and Eve

Folks, he's really, really good at swooning people!

They just love him to death (both figuratively and literally)!


Those who do not have the word of God ( seal of God ) in their minds will have the mark of the beast in their minds.

They will be Satan's RIGHT HAND MEN. (service)

All this takes place up to and at the sounding of the 6th trumpet.

When the 7th trumpet sounds, Christ returns and the flesh age will end.


God bless!
 
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Of course we know that Jesus overrode this time period and shortened it,
else no flesh would be saved.

Mark 13:20 "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved:
but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days."
___________
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Remember what Paul told us would happen BEFORE our gathering back to Christ?

2 Thes. 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

___________
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-and all those Christians who didn't have enough oil in their lamps,
i.e. were Biblically illiterate and were not sealed with the knowledge of His Word,
are bowing to the dragon, worshipping Satan, believing he is Jesus!

The dragon is really good at deception.
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1 The days will be shortened to 16hrs Rev.8:12
2 Paul is speaking here of the coming of Christ not the rapture.
3 The 5 foolish virgins are the ones being killed Rev.6:9-11.
 
"and all those Christians who didn't have enough oil in their lamps,
i.e. were Biblically illiterate and were not sealed with the knowledge of His Word,
are bowing to the dragon, worshipping Satan, believing he is Jesus!"


That's not exactly what it means. Oil signifies the Holy Spirit not knowledge.
You can be biblically illiterate yet be filled with the Holly Spirit. It's not the
ideal situation, yet possible. Likewise it's the Spirit that seales, not knowledge
about the Spirit.

Foolish virgins means carnal believers, or pastors that work without annointing
of the Holy Spirit. Both will, at one pont in time, understand their error they're in
and will seek to obtain the annointing of the Holy Spirit. However, they will be not
be ready on time to catch up and come to life. And the door was shut.

The help you're looking for is: Jesus . And Jesus only.

Nobody that will draw their life directly from Him will mistake the 'signs and wonders'
of the 'prince to come' for being from God. The Spirit indwelling will warn you.

That's why "knowledge about.." is not sufficient, your mind and all your senses
will try to convince you that antichrist is God. It's not his charm, it's his wonders
that are so convincing.

Only the Holy Sprit will separate you from these influences and will witness truth
to each believer. That's why it's Jesus who saves, not knowledge, doctrine or teaching.
 
Darrell dunn

Thanks for responding. You’ve got me thinking. I wonder what would cause the Earths rotation to slow. Perhaps a close pass of another planet. Maybe there is something to the planet X theory. At this point I am not dismissing anything.

I am trying to keep my mind open and am trusting God. I seek God’s wisdom and do not rely on my own understanding.


I would tend to agree that Paul is speaking about the coming of Christ…..


2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,


2nd Th 2:1 refers to our gathering together unto Him as well. There may not be a rapture. I would venture to say that a partial rapture is possible, for those who have truly given Christ their whole hearts, obey God and have turned away from sin. They would be the remnant, a very small minority.

Perhaps the 5 foolish virgins represent the luke warm church. The majority.


Geo said it quite well…..

Foolish virgins means carnal believers, or pastors that work without annointing
of the Holy Spirit. Both will, at one pont in time, understand their error they're in
and will seek to obtain the annointing of the Holy Spirit. However, they will be not
be ready on time to catch up and come to life. And the door was shut.
 
Geo

You are quite right, it is the Holy Spirit that seals the true believer.

Romans 10:17
Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ.

Being biblically illiterate is not the ideal situation. Without faith who can stand? Fortunately in this day and age being able to read is not as important as being able to listen well and having ears that hear. There are many TV, Radio and Audio programs that God uses to get His word into the hearts and minds of those He has called.

It is God’s word that transforms us.

It is not simply knowledge. Some are given God’s wisdom, some are given God’s understanding. Some knowledge. Some get more of these things than others. There are many gifts of The Spirit.

It isn’t necessary to be a biblical scholar or a great theologian. The Holy Spirit makes sure each believer gets exactly what is needed to do God’s will. To obey Him and walk in love and forgiveness. To turn away from sin.

It isn’t about who is the most knowledgeable. It’s about who has given God their whole heart and truly made Christ Lord of their life.
 
Litebeam,

I agree with your final conclusion. That's the truth: "It’s about who has given God
their whole heart and truly made Christ Lord of their life."

Myself I came from the knowledge side of things, so I know and appreciate its value,
however this got shattered to pieces looking at my own possible death from a blood
poisoning and no help within reach. My knowledge didn't save me. Jesus saved me.

I now see it again in my wife's life, who is still a new believer with little Bible
knowledge. Yet she has a strong faith, and her prayer was already answered
a few times where people had 'unsolveable problems' yet got helped. One of
them was a terrible traffic accident and the guy had unstoppable internal bleedings
and was officially given up by all doctors in that hospital. Jesus healed him.
From one hour to the next with complete restoration. When you look at these
things you cannot but see reality with open eyes. Jesus Christ is this reality.
 
2 vital points from Greek original

1 - anti = in place of, as well as against - as he is in Daniel 11 prophecy that he will set himself up in God's temple & proclaim himself to be God, demanding worship, as in Revelation 13 & 17 too

2 - apo stasis = to stand against, as well as to fall away - hence the intense hatred & persecution of Matthew 24, 2 Thessalonians 2, etc

God bless!

Ian
 
The anti christ is the system and leaders that govern this planet. They and it are in direct conflict with the recommendations of Jesus. Now that knowledge is so easily communicated it is time to operate as the religions of the world preach. If you think incompetent and unqualified people like George Bush and Prince Charles are in any way capable of solving even one problem permanently you are very deceived. And sadly that is who much of the world puts their trust in. I am not saying that another land is on track either but the world needs to unify under a system that is efficient and safe and the world leaders and systems are just the opposite.
 
I like to comment on what Jake said: The conflict of the world and Jesus is
not based on recommendations, but much deeper. It's the conflict of the flesh
of man and the Spirit of God.

"knowledge is so easily communicated" yes, but it belongs to the flesh, and
flesh cannot be refined. It's under sentence of death by God, and cannot come
alive. No cultural increase or religious teaching can enhance the flesh.
It's the new creation in Christ that God desires. Nothing else.

"world needs to unify under a system" Every unification under a system
is of Satan, however nice or good or religious it may look. There will be no
peace on earth (except for 3 1/2 years) until the world unifies under God
at the time Jesus comes back at the end of the tribulation.
 
I am as you say biblically illiterate and yet I have heard the bible taught to me many times as a youth. I also appreciate the links that some of you use in your posts and I sometimes watch biblical programs on TV. That being said I would like to respond to many things that have been written in this thread in a way that shorthands what you said without intention of distorting it.

The knowledge age can automate many things which is what needs to be done to stop the spread of disease and maximize resources. For instance the best reason to eliminate the middleman and currency is because it is easier and cheaper to feed people at home than to drive them to work. Work from home and you don't heat an office, stop advertising and the post office and marketing firms stop producing and distributing paper products and commercials. Demonstrate all products on the manufacturers internet site.

I ran out of time but will write again tomorrow.

PS: George W. Bush is the anti christ......
 
George Bush the (false Christ) wants you to follow his way and his way is the way of Satan. Not only have I not seen him resolve a single problem but he uses military might to make matters worse. I guess its ok for him to kill, waste and pollute since he says God is on his side and that is who guides him. He is not very different than the rest of the world leaders but he is in the lead position against God.

The (real Christ) comes during a booming economy and demonstrates the method of creating peace and prosperity from chaos, stress and failure. That economy and demonstration was in the 1980's and 90's and he was revealed at Y2K by the judicial system of Massachusetts. The largest US unions and companies loved him for the prosperity he brought until he stepped forward and stood against their ways. At which time they try to kill him for saying he is the messiah rather than follow him for proving who he is. I suggest you look into the trails Christ defended himself in that were very much like the one Jesus did not survive. This Christ has never been defeated in court or anywhere else and the trials and experiences have been many, many, many times that of any other man in all of time, including Jesus. He is a rebel who comes as a conquerer of all that afflicts mankind.

Only one man is gifted in every way and filled with the holy spirit and he is the Christ. No one that will draw their life from him will mistake the signs and wonders of the prince to come. You must be watchful or you will miss him, and you must investigate or you will not see what he did. He is at your door and all you have to do is listen to what he has to tell you and follow his example.

His red chariot ( 2dr 1997 GMC Jimmy) was found parked in front of a tomb after he appeared with a bow and arrows over his shoulder at his arraignment three days after his Friday Nov. 13, 1998 arrest. No jail has been able to hold him for he escapes every time but not unscathed. Christ works in strange ways which is by intention and this is not an unusual method of resolving issues with people or systems he stands against. Even though he was a defendant he was never on defense in any trial, for it was intended and defended as an offense that relied on the evidence being uncontested and even verified by the defense.

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So there you have it the 6th trumpet has been sounded and the seventh is knocking on your door. All the religious books say the same things about the messiah and they are all correct even though I have not read them. I did not have time and it would have been counter produtive to have had the word recited in my head by a book rather than trained into my spirit by the holy ghost. I stand with all people and religions just as the books say I do and yet I stand against the ways of man. I seem to be the only one that understands the bible otherwise life would be as it is designed to be. This world could not be further from the way and yet it is only a moment away that you can enter into the eternal kingdom on Earth. Every piece, player and technology is in place (thanks be to all) for the messiah to do what he has been doing for decades only on a larger, more peaceful and prosperous global scale. You don't have to ask me to do something new for I have already done all the things you need of me many times before in this life.

Long life is happy, safe and guarded from harm, and that is my promise to every human being and resource. No I do not control the weather but I can dramatically reduce mans errors that cause weather and emergency problems. I am a highly experienced efficiency expert in regards to modifying operating systems and all of them have changed lives and operations for the better instantaneously. Its like going from pen and paper to the computer age in every facet of life at the same time and the world slows down and lives happily ever after, just like the manufacturing facilities I redesigned. I don't have a college degree and yet I am the best lawyer, healer, leader and engineer ever to walk the earth. And that does not include my turbulent and outstanding four years as a US Marine AV8A Harrier ordnance technician. Nor does it take into consideration the defiance and special gifts I demonstrated from grade eight thru twelve when my public school day was shortened by 2 hours each day just to accommodate me. And going back to birth I am the best all around athletic competitor you will ever hear of. From little league and sand lots to tournaments the military, the big business world and the jails. I have performed in ways you have never seen before on television and have only read about in your religious books. Captain and or most valuable player of every team everywhere I have ever been and I have been many places doing many things. I specialize in healing and I don't even have to touch you or see you to restore your health.
 
I have performed in ways you have never seen before on television and have only read about in your religious books.
Sadly (or not), your performance in this thread is over.

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You have suceeded in hijacking Litebeam's thread and it ends now unless you have something worthwhile to contribute.
 
Sorry I thought I was on subject but I will go elsewhere if that is what is requested.
 
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