The man of sin

[Corn Pop]

If I said 'The unbeliver', people would see that as a mass of unbelieving people.

So if I say ' The man of sin' why are people blinded and think its a single figure or 'antichrist' to come on the scene. Thinking some type of literal ruler.


Even scripture backs backs it up saying there are many antichrists.

Don't be deceived. There is no one single antichrist or false prophet.

 

[turnorburn]

The best description of antichrist I've found is in the profile of Judas.. everyone.. his disciples included.. thought that Judas was one of them..

 

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The best description of antichrist I've found is in the profile of Judas.. everyone.. his disciples included.. thought that Judas was one of them..

Most, when they read of Judas, only see Judas. Scripture does not see that way. Here is scriptures view of Judas:

Luke 22:3
Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

John 13:27
And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

There is no point in seeing only Judas. When Jesus said 'one of you is a devil' and we look at the above, why would we see Judas as 'the devil' when the devil himself is staring us in the face? It makes no sense to see that way.

Satan is "in man." Therefore Satan is THE MAN OF SIN, the son of perdition, who AGAIN makes his appearance in Paul's writings to the Thessalonians.

Satan is "in man." As are his minions. This is "how" scripture sees. Scripture sees, for example, an entire LEGION of devils in a single man. Are they the 'same' entities, that man, and the devils? Assuredly not. Jesus came to SAVE that one man, and condemn that man's adversaries in his flesh.

The exact same sight of Judas can also be seen with Peter as an open example of Satan IN Peter, speaking from Peter's own lips to Jesus' Face. When Jesus addressed Satan in Peter was Jesus then condeming Peter? Assuredly NOT.

Are we to think then that Peter's denial, thrice, of Jesus there was only Peter involved? Again, not. Jesus KNOWS what Satan does, in ADVANCE. There is no such animal as "free agency" in the scriptures. There is man and there are devils. These parties are intertwined, but they are not the same parties.

This is shown by many many scriptures. For example, the "god of this world" (Satan, for those who don't know who the "god of this world" is) is shown to be upon the entirety of unbelievers, here:

2 Corinthians 4:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

What do we see in the above example? We SHOULD be able to see "the god of this world" and "THEM." Two entirely different parties.

This exact same condition as above is shown to be OUR condition prior to belief as well, here:

Ephesians 2:
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

Do we see "just us" in the above? No. We see ourselves the same as 2 Cor. 4:4. Ourselves, blinded, by a disobedient spirit that is NOT US.

Disobedience IS an adverse spirit. A spirit that is against and opposed to Christ.

No man can believe unless God Himself, in Christ INTERVENES to remove that spirit, blinding them.

And conversely, God can and DOES also "harden" that spirit, arousing it to RESIST. Romans 7:13, 1 Cor. 15:56. The "fact" that Gods Words are sown on the earth CAUSES the "god of this world" to be "empowered" and to "resist" God in Christ.

Mark 4:15.

Anyone reading the scriptures who can not "account" for BOTH parties is, themselves, presently partly or completely blinded by that same working spirit of disobedience.

When John spoke of the anti-Christ what was John's WARNING?

2 John 1:
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

John is NOT warning us about "some other guy."

There is ample reason for John's WARNING, because this is what happens, where Gods Words are sown, and it is a hard line spiritual FACT:

Mark 4:
15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

This example is shown by Peter, it is shown by Judas, it is shown by Paul himself, in his own flesh. 2 Cor. 12:7.

We ourselves are called to ARMOR UP, precisely because we do wrestle and battle with WHO? Uh, yeah, THE DEVIL. Eph. 6:11-12.

Spiritually blinded people have no such battles. They are simply blinded CAPTIVES, of an adverse spiritual entity that is not them.

 

[turnorburn]

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

 

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John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Hmmm? It is such a BIG MYSTERY "who" that was isn't it?

Luke 22:3
Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

John 13:27
And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

The instant anyone says that a man or mankind is a devil, they have strayed from the path of Word disclosures.

Jesus didn't come to "save devils" or "convert devils."

 

[dianegcook]

Perdition
Strong's#684
Ruin or loss, spiritual or eternal, damnable, destruction, perish..
Der.of #622
Apollumi, to destroy fully
Part of #623
Apolluon, Apollyon, a destroyer, Satan...
Rev.9:11
They had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name is Appollyon, in the Greek..

 

[turnorburn]

Hmmm? It is such a BIG MYSTERY "who" that was isn't it?

Luke 22:3
Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

John 13:27
And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

The instant anyone says that a man or mankind is a devil, they have strayed from the path of Word disclosures.

Jesus didn't come to "save devils" or "convert devils."

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

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John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

None of us disagree with scripture. The devil is always in the details of "how or what" we think we hear.

 

[turnorburn]

All the characteristics of Antichrist are so marvelously answered in the Scriptures, anyone that doesn't see it, there is a marvelous blindness upon them

Statement made by Cotton Mather...

(1663-1728)

 

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All the characteristics of Antichrist are so marvelously answered in the Scriptures, anyone that doesn't see it, there is a marvelous blindness upon them

Statement made by Cotton Mather...

(1663-1728)

You inherited a long history of protestant blindness, trying vainly to make a string of guys, "the god of this world" "the spirit of disobedience" "the devil."

Not an uncommon form of spiritual blindness in protestants in failing to discern the "real" culprit.

What do the protestants and the orthodox have in common? Same thing. Both sides of the aisle can't see the obvious culprit, and instead quite blindly blame and accuse each others. Pity really. But that's how the adversary rolls.

Titus 3:2
To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

 

[Sinthesis]

The best description of antichrist I've found is in the profile of Judas.. everyone.. his disciples included.. thought that Judas was one of them..

Yet you believe you've identified antichrist? I suspect all the Christians on this board believe you are one of us. Could we also be mistaken?

 

[turnorburn]

Yet you believe you've identified antichrist? I suspect all the Christians on this board believe you are one of us. Could we also be mistaken?

Antichrist is sticking out like a sore thumb if you can't see him there must be a reason...

 

[Corn Pop]

Judas sirnamed Iscariot. I didn't think they had surnames 2000 years ago. I wonder what Jesus last name was. Jesus surnamed Christ. Oh yea. Mary surnamed magaline.

I don't think there were surnames, its just like you say Peggy Sue.

 

[ezrider]

People are blinded because they fear to look within, and when they try, they find a beam in their way and they cannot see past it. Perhaps the scales will drop and the blind may see when they stop looking for the man of sin in others, but instead know themselves as the man of sin and son of perdition.

 

[jasonc]

Yet you believe you've identified antichrist? I suspect all the Christians on this board believe you are one of us. Could we also be mistaken?

I have,its Collussus and Apollo.

Freedom is an illusion, soon you will come to even love me

 

[smaller]

People are blinded because they fear to look within, and when they try, they find a beam in their way and they cannot see past it. Perhaps the scales will drop and the blind may see when they stop looking for the man of sin in others, but instead know themselves as the man of sin and son of perdition.

The short account is this:

2 Corinthians 12:
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

Is there a "man of sin" in the above equation? Of course. The messenger of Satan is in the flesh of man, in this case, shown in Paul's flesh.

But are they the same party? Never.

We all walk with our own warring in the flesh. We seldom see that it is with another party that is not us as Gods children. This is why Paul describes the sin dwelling in his flesh as "no more I." Romans 7:17-21.

 

[turnorburn]

i find this interesting.. enter "he sitteth between the cherubims" into Google images

Psalm 99:1 ...'The Lord reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.'

 

[Eugene]

i find this interesting.. enter "he sitteth between the cherubims" into Google images

Brother turnorburn, have you considered who the cherubim represent?

In Rev 4:6 John is shown saints he describes as four beasts possibly due to their incredible power and following description in Rev 4:6-7. Also notice their location as being in the midst and round about the throne.
Rev 4:7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. (These characterizations representing the four are also themes used in the four gospels of Christ; Lion the King, calf the servant, Jesus was man, and the eagle Christ in His diety.)
Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night.

Ezekiel described them as four Living creatures in Eze 1:5. In Rev 5:9 they Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

 

[turnorburn]

Thanks for that Eugene.. First i read the verse.. Psalm 99:1 ...'The Lord reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.'


then i saw this..

 

[Particular Baptist]

If I said 'The unbeliver', people would see that as a mass of unbelieving people.

So if I say ' The man of sin' why are people blinded and think its a single figure or 'antichrist' to come on the scene. Thinking some type of literal ruler.


Even scripture backs backs it up saying there are many antichrists.

Don't be deceived. There is no one single antichrist or false prophet.

That is a critical misunderstanding of the doctrine of antichrist, of which in the Scripture of truth are only four mentions. What are they?
I John 2.18, 22 Authorized Version

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

There is AN ANTICHRIST, as well as many anti-messiahs, literally opponents of The Anointed. Pay close attention to the other couple, for something or someone has seduced you (I Jn. 2.26).

I John 4.2-3, II John 7

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: and every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

This singular antichrist is identical to Paul's Wicked. II Thess. 2.7-10

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, and with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

Perhaps if you took the hermenutic to seek interpretations of unclear passages in the light of the clear, fellow servant, you might be delivered from such a deep abyss of error by heretical twisting of scripture. The 1689 Second London Confession offers, I.7 and XXVI.4

All things in Scripture are not alike mplain in themselves, nor alike clear unto all; yet those things which are necessary to be known, believed and observed for salvation, are so nclearly propounded and opened in some place of Scripture or other, that not only the learned, but the unlearned, in a due use of ordinary means, may attain to a sufficient understanding of them. (m 2 Pe 3:16; n Psa 19:7; 119:130).

The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the church, in whom, by the appointment of the Father, gall power for the calling, institution, order or government of the church, is invested in a supreme and sovereign manner; neither can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof, but is hthat antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that ex- alteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God; whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming. (gCol 1:18; Mat 28:18-20; Eph 4:11-12; h2Th 2:2-9)

Dearly beloved, do not let the mystery of iniquity beguile you. II Jn. 3.12; II Cor. 11.3. Here is a hint: Vicar of Christ means the Vicarious Anotinted One. What is the title of the Antichrist among many others? Paragraph 822 of the Roman Catechism:

882 The Pope, Bishop of Rome and Peter's successor, "is the perpetual and visible source and foundation of the unity both of the bishops and of the whole company of the faithful."[402] "For the Roman Pontiff, by reason of his office as Vicar of Christ, and as pastor of the entire Church has full, supreme, and universal power over the whole Church, a power which he can always exercise unhindered."[403]

Good day.