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The Mark of the Beast
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Hitch
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Not me. What is it that scares you ?
Just the fact that "those that dont take it will be persecuted. Be made an outcast. Even killed.
No!
While checking out what the scriptures say about the mark of the beast, Ya might try spending as much time researching the seal of God.
Welcome aboard.
The mark of the beast is said to also be a marking on the forehead. How do we differentiate the two? Are they "spiritual marks" and not really marks at all??
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Hitch
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That is scary but it is what Christ told us would come with the kingdom.
I have an old thread about it ,would you like to read it?
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Hitch
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MOB
I wonder if there has ever been and end time sermon
on Christian TV or radio concerned with the 'Mark of
the Believer". In contrast practically every day one of
the 'gang' has a new reason to extol the anti-Christ
(Anti-Christ does not appear in any text) But what’s
really cute is that the biblical 'Mark of the Beast' is
attributed to the anti-Christ. (These terms appear in
entirely different books of the bible.) And always in the
name of literalism! Go figure...
The first ‘mark’ I know of is from Gen. 3; 19, and it
Interesting just where its found,,, on the forehead. The
'Mark of the Beast' (MOB) though, is a counterfeit of
the marks found in Duet, 6; 8 and Ex. 28;36. The first
is a simple idea of a sort of bracelet with the
Commandments written in the design and worn on
the right wrist. There is also mention of the 'frontal'
the little box you may have seen modern Jews wearing
, on their foreheads in photos from the 'Wailing Wall'.
In Exodus we see the High Priest with golden
letters,again across the forehead, HOLY TO THE
LORD.The obvious question then is: What is of greater
import, the mark (or seal) or the reason and heart
behind it ?.
Reading the Sermon on the Mount should leave us
with little left to question. The real value of the seal is
contained in the thoughts and intents of heart of the
individual. Remember Jesus told the viperous brood
"You search the scriptures daily." To no avail. But
this seal would be an outward show of the devotion of
a devout believer. A proclamation of God's greatness
and protective will. It is the lawyer class (Pharisees) that
inevitibly elevates the seal over the intent. Well that
class was the religious elite in Jesus day and we are all
well aware of their various problems. They ,no doubt
were sure to wear the frontal and make every
outward show. The first century audience of the
Apacolypse was well aquainted with the seal of God, as
described above, and thus the allusion to a sorry
counterfeit of the same by the enemy wouldn’t seem
strange at all. And as Christ is the Stumbling Block to
unbelievers so becomes the frontal of scripture to
apostate Jews bent on persecuting our Lord through
His church. The very thing which sets apart the
believer,the Word, becomes a witness against the
Scribe.
This treatment of our Lord is prophetic in that the same
argument was used against the church by the Jews. The False
Prophet has denied the true faith and ran after foreign gods.
Namely Caesar. In filthy apostasy they continued the practice of
choosing the god of State ,Caesar, over the God of Abe. Pursuing
and killing church leaders and organizing economic sanctions
against all who would defiantly call on Jesus (acts 20;19,
,,4;1-3,,,5;17,18 acts is full of such references)
So the Mark (the frontal) that should have set them apart to God,
and helped incur the greatest blessings, become the mark that
seals their doom, even as Christ the Deliverer is Christ
the Wrathful Judge. They had a 'day' in which to choose whom
they would serve, they chose poorly and paid dearly.
So I reckon the MOB found in the Revelation was the once a token of
glorious Word of God, so abused as to become the device for the
regicide and thus becoming a witness as the blood of Abel. But
whether the frontal was actually the mark or not makes no
difference.
Whether a literal mark existed or not makes no difference. The
point is; at that particular time in history the last generation of
Old Covenant Jews murdered the Great King's Son, and His
servants as well. And that not being evil enough they did their
best to see that all in Israel had to make the same choice...
And some took the Mark, we will not see them. Some were
faithful to the end and we are blessed by their bravery and faith
today as they are the foundation of the church.
I wonder if there has ever been and end time sermon
on Christian TV or radio concerned with the 'Mark of
the Believer". In contrast practically every day one of
the 'gang' has a new reason to extol the anti-Christ
(Anti-Christ does not appear in any text) But what’s
really cute is that the biblical 'Mark of the Beast' is
attributed to the anti-Christ. (These terms appear in
entirely different books of the bible.) And always in the
name of literalism! Go figure...
The first ‘mark’ I know of is from Gen. 3; 19, and it
Interesting just where its found,,, on the forehead. The
'Mark of the Beast' (MOB) though, is a counterfeit of
the marks found in Duet, 6; 8 and Ex. 28;36. The first
is a simple idea of a sort of bracelet with the
Commandments written in the design and worn on
the right wrist. There is also mention of the 'frontal'
the little box you may have seen modern Jews wearing
, on their foreheads in photos from the 'Wailing Wall'.
In Exodus we see the High Priest with golden
letters,again across the forehead, HOLY TO THE
LORD.The obvious question then is: What is of greater
import, the mark (or seal) or the reason and heart
behind it ?.
Reading the Sermon on the Mount should leave us
with little left to question. The real value of the seal is
contained in the thoughts and intents of heart of the
individual. Remember Jesus told the viperous brood
"You search the scriptures daily." To no avail. But
this seal would be an outward show of the devotion of
a devout believer. A proclamation of God's greatness
and protective will. It is the lawyer class (Pharisees) that
inevitibly elevates the seal over the intent. Well that
class was the religious elite in Jesus day and we are all
well aware of their various problems. They ,no doubt
were sure to wear the frontal and make every
outward show. The first century audience of the
Apacolypse was well aquainted with the seal of God, as
described above, and thus the allusion to a sorry
counterfeit of the same by the enemy wouldn’t seem
strange at all. And as Christ is the Stumbling Block to
unbelievers so becomes the frontal of scripture to
apostate Jews bent on persecuting our Lord through
His church. The very thing which sets apart the
believer,the Word, becomes a witness against the
Scribe.
This treatment of our Lord is prophetic in that the same
argument was used against the church by the Jews. The False
Prophet has denied the true faith and ran after foreign gods.
Namely Caesar. In filthy apostasy they continued the practice of
choosing the god of State ,Caesar, over the God of Abe. Pursuing
and killing church leaders and organizing economic sanctions
against all who would defiantly call on Jesus (acts 20;19,
,,4;1-3,,,5;17,18 acts is full of such references)
So the Mark (the frontal) that should have set them apart to God,
and helped incur the greatest blessings, become the mark that
seals their doom, even as Christ the Deliverer is Christ
the Wrathful Judge. They had a 'day' in which to choose whom
they would serve, they chose poorly and paid dearly.
So I reckon the MOB found in the Revelation was the once a token of
glorious Word of God, so abused as to become the device for the
regicide and thus becoming a witness as the blood of Abel. But
whether the frontal was actually the mark or not makes no
difference.
Whether a literal mark existed or not makes no difference. The
point is; at that particular time in history the last generation of
Old Covenant Jews murdered the Great King's Son, and His
servants as well. And that not being evil enough they did their
best to see that all in Israel had to make the same choice...
And some took the Mark, we will not see them. Some were
faithful to the end and we are blessed by their bravery and faith
today as they are the foundation of the church.
H
Hitch
Guest
Layman's terms are the only ones I know , but it would help if you could be more specific..
In general, no I dont believe this is future, or wholly future anyway.
I dont believe the mark of the believer is a literal (physical) mark.
Same for the MOB .
I came across this yesterday...
http://www.markbeast.org/mark-beast-significance.html
You'll have to start at the first chapter, and its a long read but certainly interesting.
Would appreciated anyones thoughts on this?
http://www.markbeast.org/mark-beast-significance.html
You'll have to start at the first chapter, and its a long read but certainly interesting.
Would appreciated anyones thoughts on this?
H
Hitch
Guest
Well no body is calling you Mary Baker Reba
Sinthesis
Member
2Uhgg... My thoughts are that website is just about promoting more anti-Catholic garbage. Anything correct they may have to offer is just a lure to entice one into buying into the rest of their it.
Having read it yesterday, it certainly seemed interesting. Whether its anti catholic or pro catholic or whatever isn't what's important, finding the truth is (not saying what was on that website is truth btw)
What criteria do judge the truth on then? Does it have to hit certain points or avoid certain areas(catholic as an example)? Just because it doesnt shed the catholic church in a good light doesnt mean its wrong does it? It could well be a load of gobbledegook I agree, but who knows.
I
The mark is "in" the forehead, that makes it a mental situation. "Mark" in this case is as ---one makes his mark/reputation in the world. "Name" is the same context, as, one makes a name for them self. People are under dark age Euro interpretations that suffices them to maintain their superiority over the masses. They replace JC with themselves and did a very bad job of it.
The mark is "in" the forehead, that makes it a mental situation. "Mark" in this case is as ---one makes his mark/reputation in the world. "Name" is the same context, as, one makes a name for them self. People are under dark age Euro interpretations that suffices them to maintain their superiority over the masses. They replace JC with themselves and did a very bad job of it.
E
Elijah674
Guest
Re: I
It seems that a BRAIN is used in making a free choice.;)
'i' think (?) that the ones of Rev. 17:1-5 are prophesied as 'having' already had that brain (thinking) set in satans false 666, what'cha think?
And that mark in the hand?? Surely some could care the less about God's Words & they 'think' to not be able to buy or sell + death later, would be stupid!
--Elijah
The mark is "in" the forehead, that makes it a mental situation. "Mark" in this case is as ---one makes his mark/reputation in the world. "Name" is the same context, as, one makes a name for them self. People are under dark age Euro interpretations that suffices them to maintain their superiority over the masses. They replace JC with themselves and did a very bad job of it.
It seems that a BRAIN is used in making a free choice.;)
'i' think (?) that the ones of Rev. 17:1-5 are prophesied as 'having' already had that brain (thinking) set in satans false 666, what'cha think?
And that mark in the hand?? Surely some could care the less about God's Words & they 'think' to not be able to buy or sell + death later, would be stupid!
--Elijah
n2thelight
Member
Nothing new under the sun........
n2thelight
Member
Amen!!!
A person will take the mark by choice,not by force.............Deception,that's what the end is all about.....satan pretending to be Christ
II Thessalonians 2:4
"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."
2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.