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The parable of the ten virgins

abide said:
YOU CANNOT BORROW A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
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I like the fact that the pastor used the word "Relationship", and I relate that especially to our understanding rather than what many attempt to show that the foolish virgins were not saved.

Oil is especially pertinent to the Holy Spirit, and the cares of this world many times diminish our personal fellowship and love we should be aware of. They are all virgin, but even there we see a difference in the spiritual walk of Christians, and thus these guests at the wedding of the bride will be separated as to being witnesses to it.

Their reward? Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion (The heavenly Jerusalem - Heb 12:22), and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
 
abide said:
In Matthew 25 is the parable of the ten virgins. Five were wise and five were foolish.

Matthew 25 Commentary - Matthew Henry Commentary on …

This seems to be a good commentary. A few years ago the pastor at my church gave a sermon on this topic. One of the things that stuck in my mind to this day is.. YOU CANNOT BORROW A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
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I always just thought that it was foolish to only bring so much oil in their lamps - which of course led to the foolishness of thinking they could get some from others when the time was at hand.

Makes you wonder how many people think they 'have enough' right now?

Letter to the laodiceans comes to mind.
 
I found the commentary both amazing and ironic to how many times he used the term tradesman in it, because that was the name of my hvac business in Colorado. I thought I left Tradesman behind, but I did not. I suppose I was promoted into a different division so to speak, lol.

Have enough? No. Who could think that they have enough oil?

Good thread and a good read.
 
Edward said:
I found the commentary both amazing and ironic to how many times he used the term tradesman in it, because that was the name of my hvac business in Colorado. I thought I left Tradesman behind, but I did not. I suppose I was promoted into a different division so to speak, lol.

Have enough? No. Who could think that they have enough oil?

Good thread and a good read.
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There is no possible way to know how much oil we need. "No man knows the hour"

But, we know who gives us the oil and if we abide in Him then we have an unending source of oil.
 
Nathan said:
There is no possible way to know how much oil we need. "No man knows the hour"

But, we know who gives us the oil and if we abide in Him then we have an unending source of oil.
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Amen to that, Brother. To abide in Him...is difficult. That speaks of a moment by moment perspective and walking in Him and in the natural at the same time is the goal. At first it seemed an impossible thing to do, but as time goes on, I'm learning that it is possible. It's just one of those things that are easy to do, but hard to learn. Not even that it's hard to learn, but to discipline the flesh to train it so it is possible is what is hard.
 
Im just a sinner in need of God's mercy. I understand that so i have my oil and God's grace is on me.

Serious, what am I suppose to try and be?. Some perfect saint in the flesh thats impossible?. Its hypocricy. God is no respecter of man.

If Christ called the Teachers of the law hypocrites and they followed the torah down to the word, then who am I to boast.

Who is seeking Christ?. Christ comes for those who seek God's mercy and want a connection with God, not the boasters.

Dont just believe in the birth, death and ressurection of Christ, believe your a sinner in need of God's mercy and then Christ is not mocked and will deliver.
 
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Jesus came to Israel acclaiming "Repent for the kingdom is at hand" (John 4:17). This was the Messianic Kingdom, the hope of Israel. I understand the parable of the ten virgins to be a warning to Israelites to be prepared in their hearts, and not give up,
be ready for Christ Jesus glorious return to the earth
to destroy their enemies and receive the remnant of believers to Himself.
The church body of Christ will already be caught away to be with Christ (1Cor. 15:51-57).
 
kiwidan said:
Im just a sinner in need of God's mercy. I understand that so i have my oil and God's grace is on me.

Serious, what am I suppose to try and be?. Some perfect saint in the flesh thats impossible?. Its hypocricy. God is no respecter of man.

If Christ called the Teachers of the law hypocrites and they followed the torah down to the word, then who am I to boast.

Who is seeking Christ?. Christ comes for those who seek God's mercy and want a connection with God, not the boasters.

Dont just believe in the birth, death and ressurection of Christ, believe your a sinner in need of God's mercy and then Christ is not mocked and will deliver.
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hello kiwidan, dirtfarmer here

As a believer are we still a sinner or are we a saint that sins sometimes? I have yet to find any scripture that states that believers are sinner, but I do find scripture that states that as believers we have been translated from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of his dear Son.
 
dirtfarmer said:
hello kiwidan, dirtfarmer here

As a believer are we still a sinner or are we a saint that sins sometimes? I have yet to find any scripture that states that believers are sinner, but I do find scripture that states that as believers we have been translated from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of his dear Son.
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If we were not sinners the new testament wouldn't be consistently talking to christians about sin. All Paul ever talked about not sinning, everything he spoke about was about sin. If we were not sinners why even brother preaching against sin. I look at the bigger picture.

And the verse "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace."

Sinners saved by grace but sin is not held against us and has dominion over us.

Anyone who says they have no sin or has not sinned is a liar.

Its not a wise move to think one is more righteous than everyone else because they to had to repent seeking God's mercy so its hypocrite.

Im more righteous than you when i once had to get on my knees and beg for God's mercy and now i live a Holy life and dont sin and been reading the bible for 50 years. That would be hypocrite. Everyone is on the same level. All needed God's forgiveness.
 
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kiwidan said:
If we were not sinners the new testament wouldn't be consistently talking about sin. All Paul ever talked about not sinning, everything is about sin, if we were not sinners why even brother preaching against sin. I look at the bigger picture.

And the verse "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace."

Sinners saved by grace yet not sinners because sin is not held against us or has dominion over us.
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hello kiwidan, dirtfarmer here

The bigger picture is that at one time in your life you were a sinner separated from God, not because you sinned, but because you were born a sinner, condemned. Can you find scripture that says that a believer is still a sinner to God. We are of the household of faith, that makes us a saint now, but before salvation a sinner. Christ paid the debt of sin for the whole world and only unbelief will condemn a person.

It is my belief that the only sin that any one, since Christ's death, will be judged for is unbelief. As a believer when we stand at the "Bema seat of Christ" it is our works that are judged, not to determine entrance into heaven, but rewards. What we have done for Christ's glory we will receive a "stephanos", crown; what we have done for our glory will be burned in the fire. The unbeliever will also be judged at the "great white throne and receive punishment because they have rejected the gospel, and will receive degrees of punishment according to the number of times they have heard and rejected the gospel.
 
abide said:
In Matthew 25 is the parable of the ten virgins. Five were wise and five were foolish.

Matthew 25 Commentary - Matthew Henry Commentary on …

This seems to be a good commentary. A few years ago the pastor at my church gave a sermon on this topic. One of the things that stuck in my mind to this day is.. YOU CANNOT BORROW A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
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Beware of Spiritual Blindness

Revelation 3:2-3
2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

3 Remember (renew your mind daily) therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee. Revelation 3:2-3

Revelation 3:17-19
17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Remember: God only awards righteousness when the Believer places Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work, i.e., The Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus. Failure to maintain your Faith exclusively in Christ and Him Crucified, the light gets dimer and eventually dies.
No wonder you're running into things, tripping over things, falling over things, because that which is light is now dark and you can't see. In other words you get to take care of you.
 
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The pastor preached on the 10 virgins a couple weeks ago, and a thought hit me about the Foolish Virgins that I had never had before...

Their lamps are out of oil -- yet THEY CAN SEE TO TRAVEL TO GO BUY MORE??!!??

If they can see to go to the "oil merchant" -- can't they see to just go meet the Bridegroom even with their empty lamps?
 
abide said:
In Matthew 25 is the parable of the ten virgins. Five were wise and five were foolish.

Matthew 25 Commentary - Matthew Henry Commentary on …

This seems to be a good commentary. A few years ago the pastor at my church gave a sermon on this topic. One of the things that stuck in my mind to this day is.. YOU CANNOT BORROW A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.
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hello abide, dirtfarmer here

Hope everything is well with you and the Island that you live on.

It is so true that we can't borrow a relationship with God. We have to be born into that relationship. When we see someone in a crisis, they are calm, not moved, and able to take the pressure; it is then that we realize that that calmness is a life lived by faith.

One thing that I see in the parable that we are not to lose hope of the coming of the Lord. We need the relationship between him and ourselves. I also see that our relationship must go beyond the scriptures. Our eternal life is more that believing scripture. We can quote all the scripture and still not have a relationship with Jesus Christ. If our faith is based on scripture and not on Christ, do we have saving faith? It is from scripture that we hear of God's salvation, but there must be a deeper knowledge than scripture; we must know Jesus Christ personally as our savior. Jesus said in John5:39, "Search the scriptures: for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and(but) they are they which testify of me."

You and I both know, we are saved by faith not by works. That faith is in the cross work of Christ, not on what we do. There are those that believe the bible. Faith is deeper level of commitment than just to scriptures. Jesus said in John 5:39, "Search the scriptures: for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and(but) they are they which testify of me."
 
kiwidan said:
If we were not sinners the new testament wouldn't be consistently talking to christians about sin. All Paul ever talked about not sinning, everything he spoke about was about sin. If we were not sinners why even brother preaching against sin. I look at the bigger picture.

And the verse "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace."

Sinners saved by grace but sin is not held against us and has dominion over us.

Anyone who says they have no sin or has not sinned is a liar.

Its not a wise move to think one is more righteous than everyone else because they to had to repent seeking God's mercy so its hypocrite.

Im more righteous than you when i once had to get on my knees and beg for God's mercy and now i live a Holy life and dont sin and been reading the bible for 50 years. That would be hypocrite. Everyone is on the same level. All needed God's forgiveness.
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hello Kiwidan, dirtfarmer here

Have we, as believers been delivered from the kingdom of darkness? Colossians 1:13. Not only that, but, we have been translated into the kingdom of his dear Son.
Colossians 1:21-22 " And you, that were(past tense) sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now (present tense) hath he reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreprovable in his sight."
 
kiwidan said:
Serious, what am I suppose to try and be?. Some perfect saint in the flesh thats impossible?. Its hypocricy. God is no respecter of man.
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I'm a little unsure of your point here. Yes, it's true that we can do nothing without the Lord, and in no way could we be perfect while in the flesh, but you seem to think that trying to be perfect is hypocrisy? Am I reading that right?

Scripture does command us to...be ye perfect, even as I am perfect. So we do have to try. Just because we can not achieve perfection on our own is no reason to not try. Of course we will fail. Of course we will need the Lord's help...But the effort must be there.
Scripture says, those who practice iniquity will not enter into the Kingdom of God. The key word there is practice. It means a conscious repetitive pattern of sinful behavior.

Take King David for instance. We all know that the man sinned here and there, some pretty big sins too. But I don't think that David was what we could call, a practicing sinner. He was a practicing servant of the Lord...and occasionally stumbled. So therein is why David is a man after God's own heart. And that my friend, is not hypocrisy.
 
Nathan said:
There is no possible way to know how much oil we need. "No man knows the hour"

But, we know who gives us the oil and if we abide in Him then we have an unending source of oil.
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While no man or angel or even the Son knows that date set by the Father:

Rev 11 is a sign that can't be mistaken. The beasts reign is 42 months. That false prophet and his armies are defeated by the Lord. Rev 16:15. So from the time Rev 11 is fulfilled (1260 days) until the Lord returns is less than 4 years. The wise who know their God and Lord will understand this but the unbelievers who took joy in the killing of the two witnesses will be deceived into following the beast. They will be caught by surprise at the sudden appearance of Jesus and the armies of heaven that follow Him. Rev 16:15
Randy
 
Nathan said:
There is no possible way to know how much oil we need. "No man knows the hour"

But, we know who gives us the oil and if we abide in Him then we have an unending source of oil.
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I take a different path on the oil. The common use of oil was for light and without light you are lost and stumbling about, blindly. This one must be Spiritually Read, I believe. And what, in this case, does the oil represent? I have absolutely zero doubt that God is and because He Is He will do all He has said in His Book! My oil reservoir is full as is my tank on my lamp (Faith) and I will be able to endure to the end. Any time I use a little bit, I refill my spare oil reservoir, read the scriptures so that anything, and I do mean anything I seek to do is covered with Prayer and the oil, knowledge, provided, as everything is,by God but you must remain in study! I often read a passage or chapter and receive a different perspective from the Holy Spirit that I had not been ready for before.
 
My understanding of the parable is:
First,
I do not believe in a so called pretrib rapture.
Satan will come in pretending to be Christ.
If possible fool the very elect.
The oil represents anointing.
The 5 foolish are those that will be deceived by him.
They go to where they buy and sell.
To be able to buy or sell, you must receive the mark of the beast.
While they were at Satan's feet, the real Christ came.
The 5 wise remained virgins, spiritually.
The 5 foolish became part of the Great Harlot, no longer a virgin, spiritually.
The hour they think not, because they think He is already here.
Deception is Satan's game from the beginning.

MHO
 
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