I didn't really understand this. Can somebody please explain it?
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Bible Study The Purpose of The Harvest Story
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Not_Now.Soon
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I'm not sure which verses you're referring to. Is it one of the parables Jesus gave, and if so which one? Right how's I'm guessing it's one of three or four parables (three that I can think of). If it's a story in the old Testiment then I'm at a blank to where It's from.
Not_Now.Soon
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The three parables that I'm guessing at are:
•the parable of the 4 soils. (Mathew 13:1-23, Mark 4:1-20, Luke 8:4-15)
•A parable of a rich man hiring workers. (Mathew 20:1-16)
•A parable of a rich man building a bigger barn to house his crops. (Luke 1216-21)
I think each of these have a different reason for Jesus sharing them. But they might not be the the story you were talking about so I don't know what to say.
•the parable of the 4 soils. (Mathew 13:1-23, Mark 4:1-20, Luke 8:4-15)
•A parable of a rich man hiring workers. (Mathew 20:1-16)
•A parable of a rich man building a bigger barn to house his crops. (Luke 1216-21)
I think each of these have a different reason for Jesus sharing them. But they might not be the the story you were talking about so I don't know what to say.
I was going to reply to this but I see that you have posted them already and I was talking about all of them. :yes
Not_Now.Soon
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There are more parables that deal with a harvest also. Or at least have in them a land and a crop that is worked on. The parable of the Tares and the wheat are in Mathew 13 next to the parable of the 4 soils. And there's a parable of wicked farm tenets that kill the oandowner's son.
Let's just start with Mathew 13 in the parable of the 4 soils. When you read this what do you get from it. (Jesus gave an explaination about it too, so read that part too to understand that this is about how people recieve and react to Jesus's message. The message of the Kingdom of Heaven). Read it and say what you get from it.
Let's just start with Mathew 13 in the parable of the 4 soils. When you read this what do you get from it. (Jesus gave an explaination about it too, so read that part too to understand that this is about how people recieve and react to Jesus's message. The message of the Kingdom of Heaven). Read it and say what you get from it.
Please post the reference so we know what you are talking about.
Not_Now.Soon
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Now I'm confused. Is this the parable you wanted to talk about?
I honestly don't know lol. I thought that was the one that you were asking me about.
Not_Now.Soon
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How about this, April. So that we're all on the same boat, choose one parable at a time for us to look at. If there's more then one that you want to look at, them we'll get to them too.
Alright, so how about you tell me more about the parable of the four soils first?
Matthew 13:31-32. Jesus is using an analogy or metaphor to explain what the kingdom of heaven is like. He said, "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field, which indeed is the least of all the seeds; but when it is grown it is greater than the herbs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches."
Here's my take. God uses the least, the lowliest, the most humble and uses them to spread and grow the gospel message and further His kingdom. When it is complete, it is the greatest kingdom of all.
When a seed is planted, what does it do? It spouts and grows and when it reaches maturity it produces more fruit. When we share the gospel we plant seeds and those seeds can grow and product much fruit.
For example, you share the gospel with one person. That person hears and accepts the gospel and then that person tells another who tells another who tells another and so on.
Here's my take. God uses the least, the lowliest, the most humble and uses them to spread and grow the gospel message and further His kingdom. When it is complete, it is the greatest kingdom of all.
When a seed is planted, what does it do? It spouts and grows and when it reaches maturity it produces more fruit. When we share the gospel we plant seeds and those seeds can grow and product much fruit.
For example, you share the gospel with one person. That person hears and accepts the gospel and then that person tells another who tells another who tells another and so on.
th1b.taylor
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You need to begin, as others have implied, to use the scripture addresses, i.e. Matt. 1:1, that confusion for any or all can be avoided that frustration that leads to angry, pointless, retorts that can and often do degenerate into pointless fights, a.k.a. confusion, that have nothing to do with anyone serving YHWH with their hearts.Well I'm not really sure if that was the four soils thing but I absolutely one hundred percent agree with you.
Thanks, I know that now but Not_Now.Soon already posted the four soils verses and I was responding to him.
Not_Now.Soon
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The parable of the 4 soils is how I heard this parable explained to me when growing up, but reading the section in the bible, it seems most translations name this parable as the parable of the sower. If that caused confusion over which parable I was referring to I'm sorry. I didn't mean to.
The good news is that this parable is given and then explained by Jesus. So we already have a correct way to understand it. It's also good because three of the gospels have this parable in them, so we can compare the gospels and sometimes gain a better understanding of what was going on, or what was said. I'll try to keep it simple, but there's a few things from different gospels that help explain the parable.
In the parable all three gospels tell of a farmer who sows seed. Scattering the seed on the ground. Of the ground it's scattered on, one type of ground is a hard path; a second type of ground is rocky ground; the third is ground that is full of weeds; and the fourth is good soil. Each of these are explained what happens to the seed on the different soil types, but let me come back to that, Instead first Lets look at Jesus's explanation so far.
From Mathew 13:18-23 and Mark 4:13-20, Jesus's explanation explains the seed and the soil together saying that the seed that fell on each type of ground represents a person when the hear the word of God. In Luke 8:11-14 however Jesus's explanation starts with explaining that the seed is the word of God. Because of this we know what the parable is talking about. It's about the Word of God being spread and how it is received and reacted to by the people. Here are the 4 soils along with their explanations. I hope this way of looking at it will help explain which soil is which and help in a better understanding of the parable.
The good news is that this parable is given and then explained by Jesus. So we already have a correct way to understand it. It's also good because three of the gospels have this parable in them, so we can compare the gospels and sometimes gain a better understanding of what was going on, or what was said. I'll try to keep it simple, but there's a few things from different gospels that help explain the parable.
In the parable all three gospels tell of a farmer who sows seed. Scattering the seed on the ground. Of the ground it's scattered on, one type of ground is a hard path; a second type of ground is rocky ground; the third is ground that is full of weeds; and the fourth is good soil. Each of these are explained what happens to the seed on the different soil types, but let me come back to that, Instead first Lets look at Jesus's explanation so far.
From Mathew 13:18-23 and Mark 4:13-20, Jesus's explanation explains the seed and the soil together saying that the seed that fell on each type of ground represents a person when the hear the word of God. In Luke 8:11-14 however Jesus's explanation starts with explaining that the seed is the word of God. Because of this we know what the parable is talking about. It's about the Word of God being spread and how it is received and reacted to by the people. Here are the 4 soils along with their explanations. I hope this way of looking at it will help explain which soil is which and help in a better understanding of the parable.
Not_Now.Soon
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•The first soil type is a hard path. What happens to it is that it is trampled on (Luke 8:5) and the birds eat it up. Jesus explains the meaning in Mathew 13:19. "When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart. This is the seed sown along the path." Luke's explanation adds that the devil takes away the word from their hearts so that they can not be saved.
With this in mind the seed that falls on a hard path represents those who hear the word and don't understand it and reject it. Satan is in the battle here by stealing the message from their hearts and they reject it and remain unsaved.
•The second soil type is the rocky ground that did not have much soil. On this ground the seed grows quickly into a plant because the soil is shallow. However, when the sun came the plants were scorched and withered because they had no root. They withered because they had no moisture and could not withstand the sun. Jesus's explanation in Mark 4:16-17 explains it this way. "Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away." In Luke 8:13 the persecution is referred to as " the time of testing."
The Rocky ground represents people who've heard the Word of God, and although they accept it at first when times are tougher they fall away. When their faith is tested it doesn't last. With this in mind it's important that after we become Christian we still keep our roots on God by studying like your doing, or going to church, or by staying in fellowship with other Christians to help us in the days that test us. That way our roots in our faith won't be shallow like the roots of a seed in Rocky ground.
•In the third soil type the seed falls among Thorns and Weeds. What happens to that seed is that the thorns grew up and chocked the plant from the seed, so it didn't bear any grain or fruit. Jesus explains this in Luke 8:14. "The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life’s worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature." In Mathew and Mark's explanation, instead of saying people don't mature due to life's worries and pleasures; instead it's e planned that they are unfruitful. Both explanations are agreeing with each other.
The ground with thorns represent people who are focused on different worries of life and different pursuits for wealth or happiness instead of on God. They don't mature and produce fruit in their faith, but instead are choked out by their worries and other pursuits.
•The last soil is the Good Soil. The seed that fell on the good soil produced a crop. Producing a harvest 30 times what was sown, 60 times what what was sown, and even 100 times what was sown. Basically that the good soil make a bumper crop at harvest, meaning we got more at harvest then what we planted in the beginning.
When Jesus explains this soil type in Mathew the Good soil is those who understand the word. In Mark the Good soil is those who accept the Word. And in Luke 8:15 he says, "the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop."
The Good soil produces mature Christians with a bumper crop of what was taught to them. They are the ones who when they hear the Word they understand it, accept it, and persevere to retain it. That way they overcome the obstacles that are represented by the other three soil types.
With this in mind the seed that falls on a hard path represents those who hear the word and don't understand it and reject it. Satan is in the battle here by stealing the message from their hearts and they reject it and remain unsaved.
•The second soil type is the rocky ground that did not have much soil. On this ground the seed grows quickly into a plant because the soil is shallow. However, when the sun came the plants were scorched and withered because they had no root. They withered because they had no moisture and could not withstand the sun. Jesus's explanation in Mark 4:16-17 explains it this way. "Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away." In Luke 8:13 the persecution is referred to as " the time of testing."
The Rocky ground represents people who've heard the Word of God, and although they accept it at first when times are tougher they fall away. When their faith is tested it doesn't last. With this in mind it's important that after we become Christian we still keep our roots on God by studying like your doing, or going to church, or by staying in fellowship with other Christians to help us in the days that test us. That way our roots in our faith won't be shallow like the roots of a seed in Rocky ground.
•In the third soil type the seed falls among Thorns and Weeds. What happens to that seed is that the thorns grew up and chocked the plant from the seed, so it didn't bear any grain or fruit. Jesus explains this in Luke 8:14. "The seed that fell among thorns stands for those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by life’s worries, riches and pleasures, and they do not mature." In Mathew and Mark's explanation, instead of saying people don't mature due to life's worries and pleasures; instead it's e planned that they are unfruitful. Both explanations are agreeing with each other.
The ground with thorns represent people who are focused on different worries of life and different pursuits for wealth or happiness instead of on God. They don't mature and produce fruit in their faith, but instead are choked out by their worries and other pursuits.
•The last soil is the Good Soil. The seed that fell on the good soil produced a crop. Producing a harvest 30 times what was sown, 60 times what what was sown, and even 100 times what was sown. Basically that the good soil make a bumper crop at harvest, meaning we got more at harvest then what we planted in the beginning.
When Jesus explains this soil type in Mathew the Good soil is those who understand the word. In Mark the Good soil is those who accept the Word. And in Luke 8:15 he says, "the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop."
The Good soil produces mature Christians with a bumper crop of what was taught to them. They are the ones who when they hear the Word they understand it, accept it, and persevere to retain it. That way they overcome the obstacles that are represented by the other three soil types.
Well thank you for taking the time to explain all of that to me but I still have a question First of all, I want to understand the Word of God but sometimes I don't, although what I do understand I try to keep. That, and I do sometimes feel like I worry too much but whenever I feel like my worries and problems are choking me I keep running to God instead of away from Him. So what category do I fall underneath?