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The Switch To Sunday

Lewis

Lewis

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Okay people of God why do we worship or gather on Sunday' when Jesus clearly did not. I mean He worshipped everyday, but temple day was on a Saturday. The Catholics changed the Sabbath and if you need proof go here' but this is not to put down the Catholics.
http://www.godssabbathtruth.com/catholicchurchchangedsabbathsunday.html

Lewis


Why Do Christians Worship on Sunday?

http://christianity.about.com/od/whatdoesthebiblesay/f/sundayworship.htm
I do have a query about Sundays. It seems to me that Peter still attended the Synagogue on the Sabbath in Acts 15:21. So, why and when did we decide that Sunday is set aside for Christ, rather than the Sabbath, or the seventh day of the week?" Many Christians and non-Christians alike have asked this question. After all, in Bible times the Jewish custom was, and still is today, to observe the Sabbath day on Saturday. We'll take a look at why a Saturday Sabbath is no longer observed by most Christian churches and attempt to answer the question, "Why do Christians worship on Sunday?"
Answer:
There are many references in the book of Acts about the early Christian church meeting together on the Sabbath (Saturday) to pray and study the Scriptures. Here are some examples:


  • Acts 13:13-14
    Paul and his companions ... On the Sabbath they went to the synagogue for the services.
    (NLT)
    Acts 16:13
    On the Sabbath we went a little way outside the city to a riverbank, where we thought people would be meeting for prayer ...
    (NLT)

    Acts 17:2
    As was Paul’s custom, he went to the synagogue service, and for three Sabbaths in a row he used the Scriptures to reason with the people. (NLT)
However, some Christians believe the early church began meeting on Sundays soon after Christ rose from the dead, in honor of the Lord's resurrection, which took place on a Sunday, or the first day of the week. This verse has Paul instructing the churches to meet together on the first day of the week (Sunday) to give offerings:

  • 1 Corinthians 16:1-2
    Now about the collection for God's people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made.
    (NIV)
And when Paul met with believers in Troas to worship and celebrate communion, they gathered on the first day of the week:

  • Acts 20:7
    On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.
    (NIV)
While some believe the transition from Saturday to Sunday worship began right after the resurrection, others see the change as a gradual progression over the course of history.
Today, many Christian traditions believe Sunday is the Christian Sabbath day. They base this concept on verses like Mark 2:27-28 and Luke 6:5 where Jesus says he is "Lord even of the Sabbath," implying that he has the power to change the Sabbath to a different day. Christian groups that adhere to a Sunday Sabbath feel that the Lord's command was not specifically for the seventh day, but rather, one day out of the seven week days. By changing the Sabbath to Sunday (what many refer to as "the Lord's Day"), or the day the Lord resurrected, they feel it symbolically represents the acceptance of Christ as Messiah, and his broadening blessing and redemption from the Jews to the entire world.

Other traditions, such as Seventh-day Adventists, still observe a Saturday Sabbath. Since honoring the Sabbath was part of the original Ten Commandments given by God, they believe it is a permanent, binding command that should not be changed.

Interestingly, Acts 2:46 tells us that from the start, the church in Jerusalem met every day in the temple courts and gathered to break bread together in private homes.

So, perhaps a better question might be, are Christians under obligation to observe a designated Sabbath day? I believe we get a clear answer to this question in the New Testament. Let's look at what the Bible says:

These verses in Romans 14 suggest that there is personal freedom regarding the observance of holy days:


  • Romans 14:5-6
    In the same way, some think one day is more holy than another day, while others think every day is alike. You should each be fully convinced that whichever day you choose is acceptable. Those who worship the Lord on a special day do it to honor him. Those who eat any kind of food do so to honor the Lord, since they give thanks to God before eating. And those who refuse to eat certain foods also want to please the Lord and give thanks to God.
    (NLT)
In Colossians 2 Christians are instructed not to judge or allow anyone to be their judge regarding Sabbath days:

  • Colossians 2:16-17
    Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
    (NIV)
And in Galatians 4, Paul is concerned because Christians are turning back like slaves to legalistic observances of "special" days:

  • Galatians 4:8-10
    So now that you know God (or should I say, now that God knows you), why do you want to go back again and become slaves once more to the weak and useless spiritual principles of this world? You are trying to earn favor with God by observing certain days or months or seasons or years.
    (NLT)
Drawing from these verses, I view this question of the Sabbath similar to the tithe. As followers of Christ, we are no longer under legalistic obligation, for the requirements of the law were fulfilled in Jesus Christ. Everything we have, and every day we live, belongs to the Lord. At the very minimum, and as much as we are able, we happily give God the first tenth of our income, or a tithe, because we know that everything we have belongs to him. And not out of any forced obligation, but joyfully, willingly, we set aside one day each week to honor God, because every day truly belongs to him!
Finally, as Romans 14 instructs, we should be "fully convinced" that whichever day we choose is the right day for us to set aside as a day of worship. And as Colossians 2 warns, we should not judge or allow anyone to judge us regarding our choice.
 
The late Walter Martin used to say we worship on the 8th day (new beginning / new covenant) rather than the 7th day (completion / old covenant) citing the sabbath day was a memorial to the old creation which fell (few passages state to keep the sabbath holy without a reference to the creation week), and the sunday (1st / 8th) is a celebration of the new creation...

Good words and they did comfort me for years.

But

When we consider the fullness of the Body Christian organism verses the Christian organization... the real answer is in the Sabbath Age / Era we have entered into wherein every day is a day of rest and peace with God and believing man. And everyday is a day of priestly work for the priesthood of every believer.

Matthew 12:5 (KJV)
5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

So in that regard the Church organization's unwarranted change of Sabbath to Sunday worship is of no real consequence... everyday to the believer / priest of God is Shabbos.

But with regard to the actual reasons why the change was made in officiating Christianity... the faith was hijacked by Constantine (sun god worshiper to the day of his death) this forerunner to the transformation of the Roman Empire into the Roman Catholic Church and his mummy (mother) dealt the truth many blows that Roman Catholicism, Protestantism (to a lesser degree) and even the Messianic Movemnent regurgitate from their pulpits to this day. This is where for example the misplaces Mt. Sinai and crucifixion site have their origins... to name a couple.
 
I believe that the answer to that lies in the Festival of Weeks of Shavot. In addition to it being a feast to remember when Moses received the Ten Commandments It is ALWAYS 50 days after the Passover Sabbath, and ALWAYS on a Sunday, not Saturday. Christians celebrate it as the day of the birth of the Church, and call it Pentecost.

Like the other good Jews of the day, the Disciples gathered on Resurrection day )Sunday) and then together celebrated the Feast of Pentecost:

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
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No, this not a "pro Pentecostalism" piece, but have you not known that there are no "coincidences" with God. Jesus Christ came in the "fullness of time"

Galatians 4: 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
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Therefore it is no coincidence that Holy Spirit came on Pentecost, and that from the time of Moses, The Festival of Weeks was on a Sunday? Historians call the period of time in which Jesus was born, grew and crucified "Pax Romana" meaning that Rome had such control on the Middle East and parts of Europe that there were no wars during the span of the life of Jesus. It was not until 70 that the (Second) Temple was destroyed. One result of the pillage of the Temple is that from that time onward, and including 2014 there is no Jew who can say "I am a member of this tribe, or that tribe." because the records and lineages of the Jews can not be traced. That is why the lineages of both Mary in Matthew and of Joseph in Luke 3:23 and following:
Luke 3: 23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,...​

Look at Matthew 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham...
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost...

ALL of this, plus the genealogy of Joseph in Luke came from records that the well-educated tax collector, and the beloved physician could research at the Temple.

Are you also aware that EACH of the Feasts in Judaism is a precursor (or type of indicator for the future) work of Jesus Christ? They are called using theological words, "type" and "antitype". That is another good reason to study Christianity in the light of Judaism, (but that is a derail) because if we fail to understand the culture and the times of the first century Judaism, we miss out on much for 21st century Christianity.

What I give is a sketch, and an outline. I do this because I am too tired to write a loooong article, and if this sorta tickled your curiosity, you have enough data to research, and to come to your own conclusion. It is also my hope that in researching the data, you will have a wonderful worship experience and then see how great God is, and how much awe He deserves for creating something so complex and so delight some from the beginning of Judaism, and written by Moses.
 
I think the point of the Sabbath is that we get a day of rest each week. I don't think it matters which day. We'd be in trouble if the police all took Saturday off.
 
Kathi said:
It is whatever day you want to make it.A person is not going to hell if they go to Church on Wednesday,Thursday,Saturday or Sunday.
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Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. (Ex. 20:9-10 ESV)
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The seventh day (i.e. Saturday) is the Sabbath. The Bible doesn't say that about any other day. People may debate on whether the Sabbath is for Gentile Christians today (I believe it is) or whether it was only for the Iraelites, but there's no doubt that the Sabbath is from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. The Bible is very clear on that. As for going to hell, that is not what the law is about. Contrary to what is commonly taught, the purpose of keeping the law was not to earn salvation.

The TOG​
 
Lewis said:
Okay people of God why do we worship or gather on Sunday' when Jesus clearly did not. I mean He worshipped everyday, but temple day was on a Saturday. The Catholics changed the Sabbath and if you need proof go here' but this is not to put down the Catholics.
http://www.godssabbathtruth.com/catholicchurchchangedsabbathsunday.html

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Agreed. Sunday worship is essentially a pagan holyday, as is Christmas falling on December 25th, as proclaimed by a pope to honor what was a sun god's birthday rather than that of Christ.

But it is tradition now and many people have a hard time cutting off from that. I don't think as a Christian it is my responsibility to lead all to the truth. I think it is up to the individual to recognize the truth and live by that.
I don't celebrate Christmas. And I do recognize Sabbath as falling from sundown Friday unto sundown Saturday. It is uniquely personal for every believer in our Lord I think.
 
tinykitten said:
Agreed. Sunday worship is essentially a pagan holyday, as is Christmas falling on December 25th, as proclaimed by a pope to honor what was a sun god's birthday rather than that of Christ.

But it is tradition now and many people have a hard time cutting off from that. I don't think as a Christian it is my responsibility to lead all to the truth. I think it is up to the individual to recognize the truth and live by that.
I don't celebrate Christmas. And I do recognize Sabbath as falling from sundown Friday unto sundown Saturday. It is uniquely personal for every believer in our Lord I think.
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Good post
 
And, of course, as good law keeping Christians, we also stone our teens to death when they backtalk us. (It IS the law)

How do you people justify picking and choosing which laws demand that we follow them, and which we can say, "Aw, God didn't really mean it when He made THAT particular law."

And how do you shape your mouth to say Jesus only fulfilled "certain" laws........... others, we have to follow to be "legal."?
 
Willie T said:
And, of course, as good law keeping Christians, we also stone our teens to death when they backtalk us. (It IS the law)

How do you people justify picking and choosing which laws demand that we follow them, and which we can say, "Aw, God didn't really mean it when He made THAT particular law."

And how do you shape your mouth to say Jesus only fulfilled "certain" laws........... others, we have to follow?
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We should keep all the laws which it is possible to keep (we obviously can't keep any commandment that requires the Temple, since it no longer exists) and which apply to us. Some commandments were only for men, others only for women, first born, farmers or some other group. If you are not a member of a specific group, then you need not worry about the laws that were specifically for that group. The oft quoted commandments concerning the death penalty were for the courts to follow. If you are a judge on a Torah based court, such as the Sanhedrin, then you should follow those laws, otherwise, they were not intended for you.

The TOG​
 
Willie T wrote
And, of course, as good law keeping Christians, we also stone our teens to death when they backtalk us. (It IS the law)
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I stoned mine, may they rest in peace:)
 
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