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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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The two Kingdoms ?
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I'll be in heaven.
I already have a ticket.
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There is only one kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is within those who have been Spiritually renewed/born again as we continue in the will of God as in things that are done in heaven are also done through us here on earth until that of the time of Christ returning for His Bride and then the ushering down of the New Jerusalem described in Rev 21.
Dan 4:3 how great are his signs! And how mighty are his wonders! His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Dan 4:3 how great are his signs! And how mighty are his wonders! His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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I disagree with that rendering and believe it is better as:
20 Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed, 21 nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you." (ESV)
All believers will be in heaven, which, after the Judgement, will be on earth, when the New Jerusalem comes down.
The Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God are one and the same.twinc said:
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Midst and within are the same thing just as I live, yet not I but Christ lives in me. In the midst of my spirit, not my flesh, there is Christ found within me as I have been crucified with Christ I live by faith, which is Christ Jesus.
Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
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"Within" and "midst" are not necessarily the same--"within" is internal; "midst" can be external. The passage in Luke 17:21 is most likely speaking of an external kingdom, not one that is internal.
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There is only one kingdom of God and not one for the spirit and another for the flesh as flesh and Spirit can not mix as the flesh can never be in obedience with Gods Spirit. This is why Jesus said in John 3:3-6 that we have to be Spiritually reborn again in order to enter into the kingdom of God. Jacobs ladder was a vision representing the Mediator, Jesus Christ, who came to earth and became that ladder or stairway for us to reconnect the relationship with God that was severed because of sin.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
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I used to think like that, that Christ was within me and liveth in me but realised that whilst that was good for my ego it didn't say much for Christ and so on closely checking it out here is what I found viz blazing anger and jealousy, hot temper,fiery feelings, flaming fury = not a bit like a fit place to look for God = seems more like an abode fit for a devil and the Bible tells us nothing about us is much good either viz head = sick, heart only evil continually, lips poisonous, tongue full of deadly poison and deceit and from head to foot unsound, even all our good is bad - not at all a good place fit for a good God imho - maybe I had better commune with Him elsewhere - twinc
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Yes they can be different in that of the noun being literally descriptive, but I believe in this sense that they are the same as in the midst (being within) of my anguish of what I see within my carnal flesh I am now Spiritually renewed within my spirit that I have now entered into the kingdom of God.
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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so who exactly will populate/inhabit the new heavens and the new earth - repeat new earth - twinc
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If you are still living with all of this in you then you are not dead to the flesh and your life is not hid with Christ in God as you have not set your affection on things above where we are risen with Christ, Colossians Chapter 3.
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First it's new heaven, not heavens as the old heaven being atmosphere and earth will be destroyed and made new again. Those who will populate the new earth are those whose names are found written in the Lambs book of Life that will live with Christ forever in the New Jerusalem that will be ushered down after the old heaven and earth are made new again. Rev 21:1-5.
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no, no. no - it is because I am fallen and no longer in the image and likeness of God - see beloved Paul at Rmns.7:9-25 - twinc
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exactly so - thy will will be done in the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom on earth but for now my kingdom is not of this earth and I was promised it would be if I would just bow down and adore guess who ? - twinc
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within is the normal abode of you know who , so rightly within now reads among you or in your midst and not within - twinc
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I think I said the same thing as if we are in a fallen state then we have not Christ found in us.
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Matthew 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Thy kingdom comes when we are Spiritually born-again, John 3:3-7, as it is no longer I that lives, but Christ that lives in me, Galatians 2:20, and thy will that is being done here on earth as it is in heaven is Gods greatest commandment in the law, Matthew 22:36-39. Gods literal kingdom on earth will not come until this old one passes away as then the new earth will be established with the New Jerusalem, Rev 21:1,2.