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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join Hidden in Him and For His Glory for discussions on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/become-a-vessel-of-honor-part-2.112306/
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That invalidates continued discussion in this thread?
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no, just don't see the need when the two members that have posted back in 05 aren't here. we are preaching to the choir then.
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I guess that's one way of looking at it.......... But I had never seen that post (or hundreds of others someone might find)... neither had the latest responder. So the topic and information is all new to us. And probably to at least half the people here, maybe yourself, included.
If the OP is no longer around, well, that's fine. I'll just thank him or her for leaving a topic to discuss. This is actually one of my pet peeves... supposedly, if something has been discussed a little, then there is nothing more to be said about it today. I don't see things that way.
To take it directly to the Bible. Someone decided a long time ago that Peter was the first of a long line of Popes... and this has become an undisputed fact among certain people, never to be looked at again, nor ever discussed, because it is "old news", and it needs no further investigation.
Aren't you glad Protestant Leaders didn't think that way?
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I come for the view that the bible wasn't complete. I don't think luther had much to do with why I see the bible the way I do. not that I disagree with this statement, only that the Holy Spirit can convince man of the truth.
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I still say NIV is the best.
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About the only Bible translations I have trouble with are those that claim they have done a word-for-word rendering.
I speak four languages, (admittedly, a couple of them, not all that well, and NONE of them, perfectly), and there is one thing I have learned beyond the shadow of a doubt. And, that is that it is impossible to translate any language to English "word-for-word", and accurately convey the original intent of the speaker.
Discover WHAT the speaker meant to say, then tell me that "intent" as it would be said in MY language.... THEN maybe you can sell me on the idea that what you are saying is what the original speaker really meant to say.
I speak four languages, (admittedly, a couple of them, not all that well, and NONE of them, perfectly), and there is one thing I have learned beyond the shadow of a doubt. And, that is that it is impossible to translate any language to English "word-for-word", and accurately convey the original intent of the speaker.
Discover WHAT the speaker meant to say, then tell me that "intent" as it would be said in MY language.... THEN maybe you can sell me on the idea that what you are saying is what the original speaker really meant to say.
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Here's an example in Spanish....
A palabras necias, oidos sordos.
Literally says: "In words unwise , ears deaf ." (or more logically: "In unwise words, deaf ears")
But this is what it means: "Take no notice of the stupid things people say."
A palabras necias, oidos sordos.
Literally says: "In words unwise , ears deaf ." (or more logically: "In unwise words, deaf ears")
But this is what it means: "Take no notice of the stupid things people say."
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I think the Spirit of God gives you what you need in any language.
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But, then we end up, in effect, saying all of the various translators and then, the preachers reading those Bibles with differing meanings or "slants" for the same verses, must not have been led by the Spirit.
But, also, as I believe, it really doesn't matter WHAT version you read from, as long as you get the gospel message, and can keep from trying to make all the superfluous stuff out to be important doctrine.
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Isn't that what I just said?
Or at least I meant it that way.
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What either of us said would be fine, if it were not for the very real and divisive fact that most (or, many) "Christians" have been led to believe that it is super important that PRECISE and EXACT words MUST be read and spoken.... as though these interpreted words are actually the words God or Jesus spoke into the air.
Some people right on the very forums we frequent, honestly do believe that you are blaspheming if you do not quote scripture, "verbatim"... and from the correct version of the Bible.
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I don't like the niv nor the lxx but man I wouldn't say that. besides no bible is actually nor can be word for word from the original tounge to the language we use. be it Spanish, English or others.
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You said a mouthful here brother. This is exactly right. It does not matter which version you read, the Holy Spirit is on the job and will illuminate the scripture to you and put it in your heart what you need to know to become saved.
After one gives their life to Christ and begins to study, then, no matter what version you have, you still want to get a Strongs Concordance or similar to be able to get back into the original language and see how the words read in the original Hebrew or Greek. Also, one wants to look up all of the words. I have found that many even innocuous words may not have been translated effectively and many passages read very differently when you do this! It's worth the time and effort. A computer based Concordance is a huge help and time saver when doing this. Like E-Sword, which is free.
http://www.e-sword.net/