Three Days and Three Nights

[veteran]

John 19:31
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
(KJV)

Our Lord Jesus had died at evening just prior to sunset, and at sunset began a "high day", a high sabbath day. That was not the regular weekly sabbath. It should be quite evident that 3 days and 3 nights could not have passed that quickly, since as soon as the weely sabbath ended, Mary visited our Lord's tomb before dawn of the first day of the week (Sunday). The Friday to Sunday idea is a tradition based on midnight to midnight 24 hour reckoning.

Also, the Hebrew reckoning for a day (sunset to sunset) is what was used back then, not our later midnight to midnight reckoning for a day. The Scriptures are in perfect agreement with our Lord being crucified on a Wednesday, and Mary coming to visit the tomb after 3 literal days and 3 literal nights on Sunday before dawn. Per the Hebrew reckoning, Sunday began at sunset Saturday, and that's why many get confused about the days.

 

[archangel_300]

:P I was just havin fun Glory. It has to roll around to hit on the weekly Sabbath every once in awhile, I'm not smart enough to do the math but it seems to me like it would be every 7 yrs or so if it backs up like our calender does. I was really refering to the part about the exact date on the crucifixtion of our Lord and I know this can't be verified or this discussion would not take place yr after yr after yr.

Let me try to make my point a different way but I need an answer from you first. You have studied the Hebrew feasts also. Do you agree that the wave offering (as per Lev. 23:11) would fall on the day after the Passover Sabbath?
Westtexas

I like it, I like it!
Glory, in addition we need to know all the feast days that were fulfilled. I've only briefly studied the feast days... wasn't pentecost a feast day that was fulfilled? Is there anything else other than Pentecost?

 

[archangel_300]

John 19:31
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
(KJV)

Our Lord Jesus had died at evening just prior to sunset, and at sunset began a "high day", a high sabbath day. That was not the regular weekly sabbath. It should be quite evident that 3 days and 3 nights could not have passed that quickly, since as soon as the weely sabbath ended, Mary visited our Lord's tomb before dawn of the first day of the week (Sunday). The Friday to Sunday idea is a tradition based on midnight to midnight 24 hour reckoning.

Also, the Hebrew reckoning for a day (sunset to sunset) is what was used back then, not our later midnight to midnight reckoning for a day. The Scriptures are in perfect agreement with our Lord being crucified on a Wednesday, and Mary coming to visit the tomb after 3 literal days and 3 literal nights on Sunday before dawn. Per the Hebrew reckoning, Sunday began at sunset Saturday, and that's why many get confused about the days.

Hi Veteran,

But I think the question I have is did Christ really mean 3 days and 3 nights being dead or did he mean the entire atonement period for sin? For instance when Christ stated to the Jews "destroy this temple" everyone thought it was the physical temple he was going to destroy but really what he meant was his body. Often times Christ spoke in parables (Matthew 13:34) and as far as I can see it the 3 days and 3 nights could actually be understood in two different ways.

If Wednesday is the day of Christ's crucifixion please see my previous post to Vic and solve that problem. I would definitely like to hear back from you or anyone on this issue.

 

[glorydaz]

John 19:31
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
(KJV)

Our Lord Jesus had died at evening just prior to sunset, and at sunset began a "high day", a high sabbath day. That was not the regular weekly sabbath. It should be quite evident that 3 days and 3 nights could not have passed that quickly, since as soon as the weely sabbath ended, Mary visited our Lord's tomb before dawn of the first day of the week (Sunday). The Friday to Sunday idea is a tradition based on midnight to midnight 24 hour reckoning.

Also, the Hebrew reckoning for a day (sunset to sunset) is what was used back then, not our later midnight to midnight reckoning for a day. The Scriptures are in perfect agreement with our Lord being crucified on a Wednesday, and Mary coming to visit the tomb after 3 literal days and 3 literal nights on Sunday before dawn. Per the Hebrew reckoning, Sunday began at sunset Saturday, and that's why many get confused about the days.

It was a High Sabbath because of the Feast of Unleavened bread.

Most importantly...it was a commandment sabbath. No other sabbath was that.

And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

He died Friday, the preparation day, as the passover lamb. He rested in the tomb on the seventh day, Sabbath, "according to the commandment." That was Saturday. Then on Sunday, the first day of the week, Jesus arose from the grave. The third day. The day of the crucifixion was the first as the Jews always counted time, the commanded sabbath was the second and He was raised the third day.

We see the officials understood the meaning of that...guard it "until the third day".

Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.

Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

Notice how Jesus counts time....today (he was slain), tommorow (the sabbath), the third day (he raises).

And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

 

[glorydaz]

Glory, in addition we need to know all the feast days that were fulfilled. I've only briefly studied the feast days... wasn't pentecost a feast day that was fulfilled? Is there anything else other than Pentecost?

There are seven main feasts...

Passover...sacrificial lamb

Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

Unleavened Bread...sinless sacrifice

Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

First Fruits...resurrection

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Feast of Weeks (Pentecost)...50 days after Passover

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

Then the fall feasts of Rosh Hashanah...new beginnings.
Atonement
Feast of Tabernacles


Those require a thread in themselves because some claim they are future, and others say Christ fulfilled them at His coming...at least partly.

 

[veteran]

Hi Veteran,

But I think the question I have is did Christ really mean 3 days and 3 nights being dead or did he mean the entire atonement period for sin? For instance when Christ stated to the Jews "destroy this temple" everyone thought it was the physical temple he was going to destroy but really what he meant was his body. Often times Christ spoke in parables (Matthew 13:34) and as far as I can see it the 3 days and 3 nights could actually be understood in two different ways.

If Wednesday is the day of Christ's crucifixion please see my previous post to Vic and solve that problem. I would definitely like to hear back from you or anyone on this issue.

The three days and three nights our Lord Jesus gave is not a parable, but it can be symbolic of many things, just as our Lord Jesus Himself was symbolic of the Passover Lamb that was to be sacrificed at the going down of the sun. He became our Christian Passover sacrificed for us.

The sabbath of Matthew 28:1 was the regular weekly sabbath. It had just ended which allowed Mary to go visit our Lord's tomb. But that particular sabbath of Matt.28:1 was NOT the sabbath "high day" which began right after our Lord's crucifixion and burial. There were two sabbaths in that same week...

John 19:31
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
(KJV)

The first sabbath day of that week was associated with OT Passover time reckoning, and is what John 19:31 means with "(for that sabbath day was an high day)". The reason for that parenthetical clause was to point out that day was NOT the regular weekly sabbath, and was why they hurried to bury our Lord's body before sunset on a different day other than Friday. It's truly that simple.

 

[archangel_300]

The sabbath of Matthew 28:1 was the regular weekly sabbath. It had just ended which allowed Mary to go visit our Lord's tomb. But that particular sabbath of Matt.28:1 was NOT the sabbath "high day" which began right after our Lord's crucifixion and burial. There were two sabbaths in that same week...

John 19:31
31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
(KJV)

The first sabbath day of that week was associated with OT Passover time reckoning, and is what John 19:31 means with "(for that sabbath day was an high day)". The reason for that parenthetical clause was to point out that day was NOT the regular weekly sabbath, and was why they hurried to bury our Lord's body before sunset on a different day other than Friday. It's truly that simple.

It's actually not that simple.

Mark 15:42 Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, coming and taking courage, went in to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 44 Pilate marveled that He was already dead; and summoning the centurion, he asked him if He had been dead for some time. 45 So when he found out from the centurion, he granted the body to Joseph. 46 Then he bought fine linen, took Him down, and wrapped Him in the linen. And he laid Him in a tomb which had been hewn out of the rock, and rolled a stone against the door of the tomb. 47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses observed where He was laid.
Mark 16:1 Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. 2 Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

Matthew 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

"Now when the Sabbath was past" in the book of Mark is a reference to the Sabbath mentioned in verse 42. It is also the same Sabbath mentioned in Matthew 28:1

To say that there is a time gap in between Mark 16:1 and verse 2 would be a gross misinterpretation of scripture. I would be inserting my interpretation into the scriptures to make it say something it clearly doesn't. I can place a time gap there to make it say that it was three weeks instead of three days or whatever time period I want but doing so is clearly wrong.

Again if Wednesday is the crucifixion date then it means the scriptures would have said Friday is the day Mary visited the tomb.

 

[veteran]

It was a High Sabbath because of the Feast of Unleavened bread.

Most importantly...it was a commandment sabbath. No other sabbath was that.

And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

There is nothing in Luke 23 which changes God's command for His Passover to include holy convocation days to be observed as sabbaths (Leviticus 23).

Luke 23:53-56
53 And he took it down, and wrapped it in linen, and laid it in a sepulchre that was hewn in stone, wherein never man before was laid.
54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.

The Greek word for "drew on" is epiphosko, the same word used in Matt.28:1 for "began to dawn". As used in Luke 23 it does NOT mean the sabbath had yet started, but that it was drawing near, getting ready to begin. That sabbath which was getting ready to begin was a Passover "high day" per John 19:31, not the regular weekly sabbath. The preparation day was first, then at sunset a high sabbath per the Passover reckoning.

55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.
(KJV)

They rushed and hastily buried our Lord's body. In John 19:39-40, at the burial, they wrapped our Lord's body in linen with spices which Nicodemus brought. Then the sepulchre was closed, and the next day (a high sabbath day) it was sealed by the chief priests per Matt.27. Then after the Passover high sabbath day, the women prepared spices and ointments to do another burial application to our Lord's body, since the first one had been rushed. So they prepared the spices, then came the regular weekly sabbath and they rested. The next day they came to our Lord's tomb on the first day of the week.

None of that disagrees with the 3 literal days and 3 literal nights. Instead, it supports our Lord being crucified on a Wednesday evening, and buried at sunset hastily. The next day (Passover high sabbath), the chief priests had the tomb sealed for the 3 days. That's probably why only "three days" is mentioned there, and not also the 3 nights, because 1 night had already passed by the time they considered sealing the tomb. Thus the Scripture is even accurate in accounting for why they only said 3 days, instead of saying 3 days and 3 nights.

 

[veteran]

It's actually not that simple.

Mark 15:42 Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, 43 Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, coming and taking courage, went in to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 44 Pilate marveled that He was already dead; and summoning the centurion, he asked him if He had been dead for some time. 45 So when he found out from the centurion, he granted the body to Joseph. 46 Then he bought fine linen, took Him down, and wrapped Him in the linen. And he laid Him in a tomb which had been hewn out of the rock, and rolled a stone against the door of the tomb. 47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses observed where He was laid.
Mark 16:1 Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. 2 Very early in the morning, on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen.

Matthew 28:1 Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

"Now when the Sabbath was past" in the book of Mark is a reference to the Sabbath mentioned in verse 42. It is also the same Sabbath mentioned in Matthew 28:1

To say that there is a time gap in between Mark 16:1 and verse 2 would be a gross misinterpretation of scripture. I would be inserting my interpretation into the scriptures to make it say something it clearly doesn't. I can place a time gap there to make it say that it was three weeks instead of three days or whatever time period I want but doing so is clearly wrong.

Again if Wednesday is the crucifixion date then it means the scriptures would have said Friday is the day Mary visited the tomb.

You yourself do the very thing you accuse me of, for nowhere in that did you ever consider the John 19:31 passage about the sabbath that was coming being a "high day", meaning a high sabbath per the OT Passover reckoning.

So you all here that want to think our Lord was crucified on Friday, go ahead and leave out that John 19:31 verse some more, but I suspect it will just keep popping up after attempts to silence it.

 

[archangel_300]

You yourself do the very thing you accuse me of, for nowhere in that did you ever consider the John 19:31 passage about the sabbath that was coming being a "high day", meaning a high sabbath per the OT Passover reckoning.

So you all here that want to think our Lord was crucified on Friday, go ahead and leave out that John 19:31 verse some more, but I suspect it will just keep popping up after attempts to silence it.

This question has been answered.
It doesn't mean that the weekly Sabbath has to be a different day than the Annual Passover (High Sabbath). What glory has stated before was that the weekly Sabbath falls on the same day as the Annual Passover Sabbath and this occurs 10 - 14 times a century.

 

[glorydaz]

Veteran,

The problem with your scenario is that the First Fruits is the Resurrection Day. 14 Nisan is the Passover, 15 Nisan is the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and 16 Nisan is First Fruits. Those three day absolutely have to be in a row. Therefore it was a High Sabbath because of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and Passover fell on the weekly Sabbath that year. If Passsover would have been mid-week then Jesus would not have been raised the first day of the week (Sunday). He would had to have been raised Friday, and there are just too many verses that say it was Sunday morning. Also the other Sabbaths were convocations and not commandments. Anyway, no matter the other questions, we know He was raised the first day of the week and that had to be the day of First Fruits. I see no way of getting around that.

The reason there is dissension about this is because people can't get over the one verse that says three days and three nights. Men are ever outsmarting themselves, and trying to prove contradictions in the Word. I'm not saying that about you, but that's when all the questions started arising. If they insist on three days and three nights, the Lord would have had to have been raised on the fourth day. There are other examples in Scripture where they used the same phrase when it's obvious the night was not included. Even one small part of a day counted as a day, and they always counted the day of the event as the first day.

 

[westtexas]

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Yes, I do agree the wave offering (first fruits) (speaking of the ressurection) would fall the day after the Sabbath.

I'd be interested in seeing where you find a "Passover Sabbath", though. The Passover was a week-long feast. What made the timing so important was the Jesus must raise the third day, and it had to be the day after the Sabbath, in order to fulfill the first fruits (wave sheaf). He also had to be sacrificed at the exact time as the Passover Lamb, which means 14 Nisan. It was called a "High Sabbath" because it was the weekly Sabbath

Hello Glory, part of this statement is incorrect as Veteran has pointed out. Grab a good bible dictionary or Google "High Sabbaths". The High Sabbaths refer to the 7 annual festivals which the Israelite people were commanded by God to observe. The Passover being one of them. Lev. 23:4-5
John 19:14 tells us it was the preparation day of the Passover

Now I'd like to look at the Feast of Firstfruits and the Feast of Weeks. I'm not going to write all the scripture, it's in Lev. 23:9-22, but I would like to summarize it. On the Feast of Firstfruits the Israelites were to bring a sheaf of barley and the priest would wave it to the Lord for them and this was to take place the day after the Passover. Lev. 23:11
The day after the wave offering took place began the Feast of Weeks (Harvest of Pentecost). The Israelites were to count 7 Sabbaths and then 50 days after this 7th Sabbath were to bring a new grain offering to the Lord. Lev. 23:15 and 16

Now let's at Matthew 28:1 out of Young's Literal Translation
"And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre"
I believe this scripture is very clear. Christ was crucified on Wed. the preparation day of Passover. Thurs was the Passover Sabbath. Friday the women prepared spices and as per Lev. 23:11 the Israelite people brought the wave offering. Saturday was the weekly sabbath and as per Lev. 23:15-16 the Israelite people began Feast of Weeks and this was the first weekly Sabbath of the 7 they were to count.
Young's references 2 sabbaths and says the women went to the tomb at dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths (the first of 7) . I believe this one scripture ties all the feasts together perfectly, and has our Lord in the belly of the earth three days and three nights just as he said.

Westtexas

 

[glorydaz]

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Yes, I do agree the wave offering (first fruits) (speaking of the ressurection) would fall the day after the Sabbath.

I'd be interested in seeing where you find a "Passover Sabbath", though. The Passover was a week-long feast. What made the timing so important was the Jesus must raise the third day, and it had to be the day after the Sabbath, in order to fulfill the first fruits (wave sheaf). He also had to be sacrificed at the exact time as the Passover Lamb, which means 14 Nisan. It was called a "High Sabbath" because it was the weekly Sabbath

Hello Glory, part of this statement is incorrect as Veteran has pointed out. Grab a good bible dictionary or Google "High Sabbaths". The High Sabbaths refer to the 7 annual festivals which the Israelite people were commanded by God to observe. The Passover being one of them. Lev. 23:4-5
John 19:14 tells us it was the preparation day of the Passover

Now I'd like to look at the Feast of Firstfruits and the Feast of Weeks. I'm not going to write all the scripture, it's in Lev. 23:9-22, but I would like to summarize it. On the Feast of Firstfruits the Israelites were to bring a sheaf of barley and the priest would wave it to the Lord for them and this was to take place the day after the Passover. Lev. 23:11
The day after the wave offering took place began the Feast of Weeks (Harvest of Pentecost). The Israelites were to count 7 Sabbaths and then 50 days after this 7th Sabbath were to bring a new grain offering to the Lord. Lev. 23:15 and 16

Now let's at Matthew 28:1 out of Young's Literal Translation
"And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre"
I believe this scripture is very clear. Christ was crucified on Wed. the preparation day of Passover. Thurs was the Passover Sabbath. Friday the women prepared spices and as per Lev. 23:11 the Israelite people brought the wave offering. Saturday was the weekly sabbath and as per Lev. 23:15-16 the Israelite people began Feast of Weeks and this was the first weekly Sabbath of the 7 they were to count.
Young's references 2 sabbaths and says the women went to the tomb at dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths (the first of 7) . I believe this one scripture ties all the feasts together perfectly, and has our Lord in the belly of the earth three days and three nights just as he said.

Westtexas

And I'll say to you the same thing I said to Veteran. The Lord rose the first day of the week. The Feast of First Fruits had to fall on that day in order for Him to have fulfilled it. The weekly Sabbath was the commanded Sabbath.

Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Coulda, woulda, shoulda doesn't cut it. The fact is that Jesus could not have been sacrificed mid-week and have been raised on Sunday. He had to have been sacrificed on 14 Nisan, and the First Fruits are on 16 Nisan. None of the sabbath feasts were "commandment" Sabbaths. The weekly Sabbaths were also called the sabbaths of the Lord. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath.

Yes, it was the preparation day...thurs sundown to fri. sundown, with the Feast of Unleavened Bread on Sat. It was a "high sabbath" because of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Let's look to a completed Jew...maybe this will make it clearer.

Turn to Leviticus 23.
Pesach begins on the 14th of Nisan, the first month, as it is written:
5 The LORD's Passover begins at twilight on the fourteenth day of the first month.
It is immediately followed by Chag HaMatzot, the Feast of Unleavened Bread:
6 On the fifteenth day of that month the LORD's Feast of Unleavened Bread begins;
for seven days you must eat bread made without yeast.
So what's the deal? Does it start on the 14th or the 15th of Nisan?
Exodus 12:6 provides some clarification: "Take care of them [i.e., the Passover lambs,
which were brought into each Israelite home on the 10th of Nisan, for four days]
until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel
must slaughter them at twilight."
So the Paschal lamb was slaughtered at the end of the 14th day, shortly before twilight.
It was then roasted and eaten than night, the evening of the 15th day.
The evening of the 15th day is now known as Erev Pesach and the beginning of Chag HaMatzot.
Indeed, the whole week of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is known as Passover.
This bit of background can help us understand John 19:14 (you may want to turn there):
KJV: "And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour:
and Pilate said unto the Jews, Behold your King!"
Some have wondered whether John is saying that the condemnation of Yeshua
thus took place before Passover (and thus contradict the synoptic gospels--
which indicate that Yeshua celebrated the Passover with his disciples the evening before)
In this case, the NIV gives a better translation of the Greek words "paraskeue tou pascha":
14 "It was the day of Preparation of Passover Week, about the sixth hour."
The "preparation" was and is a Jewish idiom referring to the day before the Shabbat or festival,
since no work is to be done on the holy day itself.
Here's the JNT translation: "It was about noon on Preparation Day of Pesach."
I.e., "the preparation of the Passover week" is simply the Friday of Passover week.
David Stern notes, "This particular Preparation Day was also the first day of Pesach."
Thus, according to this reading, the Pachal lambs were slain in the Temple Thursday afternoon,
Yeshua celebrated the Passover with this disciples Thursday night,
and his trial, condemnation and crucifixion took place Friday or "Preparation Day."
Gleason Archer suggests that the lambs for each household were slaughtered on the 14thAXS Nisan.
Another lamb was sacrificed, for the whole nation, on the 15th--while Yeshua died on the tree.

 

[watchman F]

Coulda, woulda, shoulda doesn't cut it. The fact is that Jesus could not have been sacrificed mid-week and have been raised on Sunday. He had to have been sacrificed on 14 Nisan, and the First Fruits are on 16 Nisan.

Not only could Jesus have been crucified mid-week He was, and it was on the 14th of Nisan, and He did rise of first fruits, but that Sunday was not the 16th of Nisan. The Passover meal is eaten ion the night of the 14th (Remember the Jewish calender runs from evening then morning) so that next the next day He was Crucified was still the 14th. So even that the passover meal is eaten on a certain date first fruits is not a certain date, first fruits is the Sunday that proceeds Passover no matter what date it might fall on. In the case of the week Christ died, Seeing how passover or the 14th of Nisan fell on Tuesday evening Wednesday morning the first day of the week, Saturday evening Sunday morning would have been 18th of Nisan if the Passover ever started Monday evening then first fruits would be on the 19th or if Passover fell on Wednesday evening then first fruits would be on the 17 and so on and son.


To bad you don;t just take Jesus words for it glory.

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 

[archangel_300]

Now let's at Matthew 28:1 out of Young's Literal Translation
"And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre"
I believe this scripture is very clear. Christ was crucified on Wed. the preparation day of Passover. Thurs was the Passover Sabbath. Friday the women prepared spices and as per Lev. 23:11 the Israelite people brought the wave offering. Saturday was the weekly sabbath and as per Lev. 23:15-16 the Israelite people began Feast of Weeks and this was the first weekly Sabbath of the 7 they were to count.
Young's references 2 sabbaths and says the women went to the tomb at dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths (the first of 7) . I believe this one scripture ties all the feasts together perfectly, and has our Lord in the belly of the earth three days and three nights just as he said.
Westtexas

West Texas could you elaborate more on how you arrive at this verse pointing to your conclusion?
I don't see how this proves Wednesday crucifixion?

I only see one type of Sabbath being discussed in this verse.

 

[westtexas]

Coulda, woulda, shoulda doesn't cut it.

Glory, except for tradition I don't believe you'll find anything un-scriptural in my last post. To the contrary, I believe it ties all the Israelite feasts together as well as our Lord's words of three days and three nights. Anyway, as I said at the first of this thread, I believe in a literal 72 hrs and you don't, and that's OK.
God bless ya my friend, Westtexas

 

[glorydaz]

Tex,
The reason I asked earlier why you called the Passover a Sabbath is because Passover isn't a Sabbath, although some may call it that.

Speaking here of the Passover...it's called a "service".

And it shall come to pass, when ye be come to the land which the LORD will give you, according as he hath promised, that ye shall keep this service. And it shall come to pass, when your children shall say unto you, What mean ye by this service?

And it shall be when the LORD shall bring thee into the land of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, which he sware unto thy fathers to give thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, that thou shalt keep this service in this month.

The Hebrew word for service is No. 5656, abodah in Strong’s Concordance, and is defined as "work of any kind." How could the Passover be a Sabbath when the Hebrew word that depicts the Passover means to engage in work? Work is strictly prohibited on a Sabbath or Feast High Day.

Passover is a non-High Day because the Passover itself is referred to as a preparation day for the Feast. Jesus was crucified on the Passover, which is called the preparation day, the day before the high Sabbath or the first high day of the Feast. Passover is the seven-day holiday of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. I'm not sure why it's even included in some lists of the feasts, actually.
I'd better look into that...Jesus fulfilled it, whether it's a feast or holiday. Seems like more a memorial to me.

And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.

 

[westtexas]

West Texas could you elaborate more on how you arrive at this verse pointing to your conclusion?
I don't see how this proves Wednesday crucifixion?

I only see one type of Sabbath being discussed in this verse.

Archangel, if you read this verse in Young's Sabbaths is PLURAL. I believe the first Sabbath would be the Passover Sabbath. Then when scripture says at the first of the sabbaths, this would be the first of 7 weekly sabbaths for the Feast of Weeks which began after the wave offering. I gave my interpretation in the post above this one. (it's long and drawn out ) anyway, as I said I believe in a literal 72 hrs and believe scripture substantiates this view.
God bless ya my friend, Westtexas

 

[glorydaz]

Coulda, woulda, shoulda doesn't cut it.

Glory, except for tradition I don't believe you'll find anything un-scriptural in my last post. To the contrary, I believe it ties all the Israelite feasts together as well as our Lord's words of three days and three nights. Anyway, as I said at the first of this thread, I believe in a literal 72 hrs and you don't, and that's OK.
God bless ya my friend, Westtexas

No, I'm not saying you're saying anything unscriptural. But how about you tell me how Jesus could be three days and three nights in the tomb without raising on the 4th day. Twenty verses say, "in three days", or within three days, and only one says, "three days and three nights".

Why don't you even consider the other places in scripture where three days and three nights obviously mean it wasn't a 72 hour period? Why ignore the perfect example Jesus, himself, gave?

Today...Fri. To morrow...Sat. The third day...Sun.

And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

Don't donkey down on me, brother. Come, let us reason together.

 

[glorydaz]

Coulda, woulda, shoulda doesn't cut it. The fact is that Jesus could not have been sacrificed mid-week and have been raised on Sunday. He had to have been sacrificed on 14 Nisan, and the First Fruits are on 16 Nisan.

Not only could Jesus have been crucified mid-week He was, and it was on the 14th of Nisan, and He did rise of first fruits, but that Sunday was not the 16th of Nisan. The Passover meal is eaten ion the night of the 14th (Remember the Jewish calender runs from evening then morning) so that next the next day He was Crucified was still the 14th. So even that the passover meal is eaten on a certain date first fruits is not a certain date, first fruits is the Sunday that proceeds Passover no matter what date it might fall on. In the case of the week Christ died, Seeing how passover or the 14th of Nisan fell on Tuesday evening Wednesday morning the first day of the week, Saturday evening Sunday morning would have been 18th of Nisan if the Passover ever started Monday evening then first fruits would be on the 19th or if Passover fell on Wednesday evening then first fruits would be on the 17 and so on and son.


To bad you don;t just take Jesus words for it glory.

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

LOL After reading that mixed-up bit of accounting, I can safely say, I am taking Jesus' Word for it. I just happen to know what He was saying. :biglaugh