to Vic....

[cj]

I was confronted with the matter of the first day that God rained manna down from heaven being a certain day on the Jewish calendar, and therefore, because I said that it was the "first" day of the week, meaning a seven day week such as we have today, and that the seventh day is what became known as the Jewish Sabbath Day.

See below for the actual speaking....

cj said - .... "The "first" day of the week was counted as starting on the morning when God first rained down "bread" from heaven. The "rest" day, the Sabbath Day, was the day that came after the sixth day, on which God rained down twice as much "bread"."

Wavy said - .... "Here you make some wild claim about the day he first rained bread down was the "first day of the week". That is absolutely nowhere in the text. I then explained to you that he gave them bread on Aviv 16th, continued that till the 21st, and commanded them to rest the 22nd. This is irrelevant to your point."

Well, I don't quite agree with it not being relevant since according to scripture the giving and collecting of God's heavenly manna is most definitely tied into the Jewish Sabbath Day. For God said it was perfectly righteous to eat His manna on the Sabbath, just not work for it. He even change the fact that on the sixth day worms would not devour the extra supply of manna (as worms did on every other day).

God had to change what took place on the sixth day in order that there was manna to eat on the seventh day. Manna that could be eaten yet not worked for on that day.

And scripture declares that Jesus is the true bread from heaven, Jesus is the true Manna of God. Therefore what was done with Jesus on the sixth day must, according to typology, be connected with man receiving a free portion of manna for our enjoyment of rest on the seventh day.

And what happened on the sixth day? Jesus suffered death.

Yet, it was in His death that He accomplished everything for man's redemption, man's eternal rest in God. And when He rose again on the first day, having been in death on the old Jewish Sabbath Day, Jesus was now forever the eternal free portion of manna that man could receive and thus enter into God's eternal Sabbath to truly enjoy His rest.

Jesus is no longer a one day supply of heavenly manna, Jesus is the eternal free extra portion that brings us into the eternal seventh day rest of God.

And this free "portion" of manna can be collected on any day of the week. Thus God's Sabbath can be entered into on any day of the week.

Which is greater...... the Sabbath Day or God's free portion of heavenly manna that supplys and sustains man on the Sabbath Day?


Anyway Vic, what I'd like you to speak on is the connection between (if any) the structure of God's supply of manna, from the first day He supplied it to the stipulation He made regarding it and the seventh day. And also, how this seven day period is (if in any way) connected/related to the seven day week of Sunday through Saturday we all know today.

Also, based on your OT knowledge, do you see a connection between the heavenly manna of God and the Jewish Sabbath Day of God? Or are they totally unrelated?

Thanks,
cj

 

[Vic C.]

:o LOL, whoa, you give me way too much credit. I only know what God has revealed to me through Scripture, tradition and my Jewish co-workers, pertaining to what I am studying at the time. I will ask my Jewish co-workers for some insight on this.... when we get a chance to speak.

And scripture declares that Jesus is the true bread from heaven, Jesus is the true Manna of God. Therefore what was done with Jesus on the sixth day must, according to typology, be connected with man receiving a free portion of manna for our enjoyment of rest on the seventh day.

And what happened on the sixth day? Jesus suffered death.

I know asking this question is going to derail the subject at hand, but I'm going to ask anyway.

Where does it say Jesus suffered death on the sixth day?

Peace,
Vic

 

[cj]

:o LOL, whoa, you give me way too much credit. I only know what God has revealed to me through Scripture, tradition and my Jewish co-workers, pertaining to what I am studying at the time. I will ask my Jewish co-workers for some insight on this.... when we get a chance to speak.

It was meant to challenge you to higher heights.

I know asking this question is going to derail the subject at hand, but I'm going to ask anyway.

Where does it say Jesus suffered death on the sixth day?

Peace,
Vic

Follow me.....

Exodus 16, "And on the sixth day when they prepare what they bring in, it will be twice as much as they gather daily."

Sixth day of what?

Sixth day of gathering the heavenly manna.

This God said, not in realtion to just one particular "sixth day" that came five days after the first day He rained down manna from heaven (because He knew that it would continue for forty years) but to every following "sixth day".

If it was to be taken in any other way God would have said "On the sixth day, and then the fourteenth day, and then on the 20th day, etc. etc...


Now that we know the "sixth day" is the "double manna day (notice in these early verses of Exodus 16 there is not yet a mention of the Sabbath Day), let's tie in the Sabbath day.....

Exodus 16:23, "And he said to them, This is what Jehovah has spoken, Tomorrow is a Sabbath of complete rest, a holy Sabbath to Jehovah. Bake what you will bake, and boil what you will boil, and all that is left over put aside for yourselves to be kept until the morning.

And Moses said, Eat it today, for today is a Sabbath to Jehovah; today you will not find it in the field. Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day is the Sabbath; on it there will be none.

And on the seventh day some of the people went out to gather, and they found none. And Jehovah said to Moses, How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? See, Jehovah has given you the Sabbath, therefore He gives you bread for two days on the sixth day. Let each of you stay in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

So the people rested on the seventh day."

Here in this verse we find two interesting things, the first mention of this Sabbath/rest word, and the direct connection of the manna to it.

On the sixth day God did something that supplied the needs of men on the seventh day.

Now to the commandment....

Exodus 20:8, "Remember the Sabbath day so as to sanctify it. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to Jehovah your God; you shall not do any work, you nor your son nor your daughter, your male servant nor your female servant, nor your cattle nor the sojourner with you, who is within your gates.

For in six days Jehovah made heaven and earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore Jehovah blessed the Sabbath day and sanctified it."

So again we see "six days" and "seventh day".

Now to Jesus' death on the sixth day....

John 1:1, "Then Jesus, six days before the Passover, came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, whom Jesus had raised from the dead."

Scripture tells us that Jesus entered into Jerusalem on what would have been the day after the Sabbath (a Sunday).

Jewish law says that the sacrificial lamb for the Passover must be inspected by the priests for four days (the four days before the Passover day (which would be Monday thru Thursday, Friday being Passover). During these four days Jesus was inspected by the priest and found to be perfectly in accordance with the law, i.e. the perfect sacrificial lamb.

John 19:14, "Now it was the day of preparation for the Passover; it was about the sixth hour. And he said to the Jews, Behold, your King!"

John 19:30-42, "Then when Jesus had taken the vinegar, He said, It is finished! And He bowed His head and delivered up His spirit.

Then the Jews, since it was the day of preparation and so that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath day was a great Sabbath), requested of Pilate that their legs might be broken and that they might be taken away.

The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man and of the other man who had been crucified with Him. But coming to Jesus, when they saw that He had already died, they did not break His legs; But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately there came out blood and water."

According to Jewish law the annual tradition of the killing of the Passover lamb was always on the sixth day, the day before the Sabbath day.


But what is this "sixth day" symbolic of?

It is symbolic of the sixth day after God began to supply His heavenly manna, the same day that a double portion would be rained down so that the Jews could, in one collection, collect enough for the Sabbath day and therefore not have to go out and by their own effort get God's provision.

And the manna tie-in....

John  6 : 31 ---- John  6 : 35, ""Our fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, as it is written, "He gave them bread out of heaven to eat.''

Jesus therefore said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Moses has not given you the bread out of heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread out of heaven. For the bread of God is He who comes down out of heaven and gives life to the world.

They said therefore to Him, Lord, give us this bread always. Jesus said to them, I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me shall by no means hunger, and he who believes into Me shall by no means ever thirst."

Jesus tells us here that He is the true manna of the Father, and if so, according to typology, on the sixth day this Manna must increase in measure so as to supply enough for the coming Sabbath.

And He did increase, for in His death and resurrection He became the life-giving Spirit, He who can enter into men and become their life and life-supply.


I hope that helps.

In love,
cj

 

[Vic C.]

Jewish law says that the sacrificial lamb for the Passover must be inspected by the priests for four days (the four days before the Passover day (which would be Monday thru Thursday, Friday being Passover). During these four days Jesus was inspected by the priest and found to be perfectly in accordance with the law, i.e. the perfect sacrificial lamb.

This is speculation. The Bible doesn't give specifics about which day of the week it was.

According to Jewish law the annual tradition of the killing of the Passover lamb was always on the sixth day, the day before the Sabbath day.

Which Sabbath cj, the weekly or the Passover Sabbath?

We differ on when He was crucified and I'm not up to debating that again (done so many times here before). Plus, I take the three days, three nights literal. So, I may not be the best person to answer your original question out of bias. Sorry.

 

[guibox]

cj, your views of the manna/Christ thing is creative at best but speculative and without merit at the least.

Because Christ died and rose on the weekend we can find many parallels to the rest of scripture.

For example:

To me, this event shows the cosmic fulfillment of the Sabbath command which ENHANCES it's sanctity. As God created the earth in six days and rested on the seventh to celebrate a completed work, so Christ died, finishing the plan of salvation for all men "It is finished!" and then rested the Sabbath day in the tomb.

The parallel is unmistakable:

God creates and finishes His perfect work-----------> He rests from His work

Christ establishes victory over sin and finishes His perfect work-----> He rests from His labors.

As in life, even in death Christ upholds the sanctity of the day He established for ALL mankind from the foundation of the world, outside of man's experience, blessed and sanctified and made Holy.

It is established as God's holy day, not man's.

You can continue to spin whatever stories and complex theories you want about the validity of the Sabbath but you cannot get past that or explain it away.

If find it funny that as part of the 10 commandments, 9 are still kept but merely in the spirit but the Sabbath has some sort of typological, metaphorical, allegorical, OC-NC linkage and enough theological mumbo-jumbo meaning to make a scholar's head spin, as to why it isn't valid anymore.

Sounds more like desperation and smoke and mirrors then plain biblical truth.

 

[wavy]

Well, cj, if you want my comment on it, I'll agree with Vic and guibox.

Another speculative, weak, lumped together argument (no offense).

Also, could you direct me to the scripture that said the passover lambs had to be inspected by the priests? I may have forgotten where that was...

And btw, uh...

According to Jewish law the annual tradition of the killing of the Passover lamb was always on the sixth day, the day before the Sabbath day.

You completely made this up...

 

[Vic C.]

Also, could you direct me to the scripture that said the passover lambs had to be inspected by the priests? I may have forgotten where that was...

You will find in Exodus this...

Exo 12:3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month (Nisan 10) they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:...

... Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

There is a four day "examination period" where it is inspected for blemishes.

Exo 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:

As to who is doing the inspection, you may want to refer to the Jewish Talmud. Here is a commentary...

"I. A lamb was to be bought, approved, and fit for the Passover.

"II. This lamb was to be brought by them into the court where the altar was.

"'The Passover was to be killed only in the court where the other sacrifices were slain: and it was to be killed on the fourteenth day after noon, after the daily sacrifice, after the offering of the incense,' &c. The manner of bringing the Passover into the court, and of killing it, you have in Pesachin, in these words: 'The Passover is killed in three companies; according as it is said, [Exo 12:6] "and all the assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it (the Passover); assembly, congregation, and Israel." The first company enters and fills the whole court: they lock the doors of the court: the trumpets sound: the priests stand in order, having golden and silver vials in their hands: one row silver, and the other gold; and they are not intermingled: the vials had no brims, lest the blood should stay upon them, and be congealed or thickened: an Israelite kills it, and a priest receives the blood, and gives it to him that stands next, and he to the next, who, taking the vial that was full, gives him an empty one. The priest who stands next to the altar sprinkles the blood at one sprinkling against the bottom of the altar: that company goes out, and the second comes in,' &c...

"IV. The blood being sprinkled at the foot of the altar, the lamb flayed, his belly cut up, the fat taken out and thrown into the fire upon the altar, the body is carried back to the place where they sup: the flesh is roasted, and the skin given to the landlord."

http://philologos.org/bpr/files/p004.htm

cj, I agree with guibox in that this is creative. It is something I might embrace if my belief was that Jesus died on the sixth day. I think we can all agree that the parallels between the passover and Jesus are similar and intentional; much more so than the manna and Jesus. Manna wasn't bread, though Jesus is the "bread of Life". Moreso is this...

"...Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." (John 1:29 b)

 

[cj]

Well, cj, if you want my comment on it, I'll agree with Vic and guibox.

Another speculative, weak, lumped together argument (no offense).

Also, could you direct me to the scripture that said the passover lambs had to be inspected by the priests? I may have forgotten where that was...

And btw, uh...

According to Jewish law the annual tradition of the killing of the Passover lamb was always on the sixth day, the day before the Sabbath day.

You completely made this up...

See Wavy, I didn't even need to point out your scriptural ignorance, Vic did.


BTW,...... you just proved how kindergartenish your understanding is.


Keep speaking, you're making it easy for me.


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

Vic and Guibox, your response are both understandable, but don't sell me short just yet.

Because you don't see any further view than you do at present does not mean that a further view does not exist.

And yes, all biblical.


I'll get back when I have more time.


On another note,.... you know what's great,..... not having to think that what I know is of any consiquence.

If I know I know, and if I don't know I don't.

What I know does not change God. And that's all that counts.


In love,
cj

 

[wavy]

See Wavy, I didn't even need to point out your scriptural ignorance, Vic did.

No he didn't. I asked a question, he answered it. You did make up what I said you made up though. That isn't true.

BTW,...... you just proved how kindergartenish your understanding is.

Keep speaking, you're making it easy for me.

:roll:

***sigh*** It has grown increasingly evident, to me at least, that all you want to do is be acknowledged for being right (which no one obviously believes that you are). You can't seem to stand the fact that I disagree with you. Then you must make comments like these. It's just...anyway, I'm going to drop it.

Can I get a witness? This type of thinking and comments are just...unbiblical. Vic, did you prove me wrong, or did you give me insight and an answer to a question?

 

[cj]

Another speculative, weak, lumped together argument (no offense).

Also, could you direct me to the scripture that said the passover lambs had to be inspected by the priests? I may have forgotten where that was...

And btw, uh.......... You completely made this up...

Wavy, this will be the last time here that I address you silliness.

When one reads your post one gets a definite sense of a desire to insult.

Based on this overall context and the specificnees of your end conclusion, "(I) completely made it up", it was not hard for me to believe that when you said "I may have forgotten where that was..." you were being sarcastic.

See, either someone forgets or doesn't forget, but to say "may have forgotten", well, it just seems more sarcatic a comment then a question.

But only you and God really know.

For me, I just think you never knew anything about the priests inspecting the lamb and thought you'd find a clever way of trying to insult me while giving yourself a way out if what I said was true.

But that's just my thoughts.


Anyway Wavy, I invite you to stick around and if you're open, learn some more stuff you may have forgotten..

In love,
cj

 

[BenJasher]

CJ,
I have been reading through this thread trying to make sense of what it is you are saying.

I have to agree with Wavy. Much of what you are saying here is pure conjecture. Not only that, but when you make statements like:

Wavy, this will be the last time here that I address you silliness.

When one reads your post one gets a definite sense of a desire to insult.

any credibility you may have had was lost. You are the last person who should be calling someone else silly or accusing them of having a desire to insult.

 

[cj]

Jewish law says that the sacrificial lamb for the Passover must be inspected by the priests for four days (the four days before the Passover day (which would be Monday thru Thursday, Friday being Passover). During these four days Jesus was inspected by the priest and found to be perfectly in accordance with the law, i.e. the perfect sacrificial lamb.

This is speculation. The Bible doesn't give specifics about which day of the week it was.

First, as you pointed out in your response to Wavy's question, the law required four days of inspection for the lamb that was to be sacrificed.

So, although you sort of seem to apply your "speculation" conclusion to my entire above speaking, you yourself have confirmed that it would not be correct to do so.

The fact is, four days are required to inspect the lamb.

And when would these four days of inspection take place?

On each of the four days preceding the time of the killing of the lamb, which would have been just before the evening of the Passover.

Again, this is from scripture and is therefore not speculation.


Your "speculation" conclusion only comes into play regarding the killing of the Lamb being on the day before the weekly Sabbath (what we call Friday afternoon), and although I believe that there are many factors other than this four-day inspection that point to a "paraskeue-preparation" day death of our Lord, let's just speak about these days of inspection, as in my research I have found very little mention of this very relevant matter.


So, since you are a person who believes in literal days and nights, I would expect you to take four days as four days (sunrise to sunset). This being the case, if our Lord was crucified on a Wednesday the required inspection would have had to have taken place on Wednesday, Tuesday, Monday, and Sunday.

Wonderful,.... so all we need to clarify is where our Lord was on all these days, and when (if it is possible to see) the bible tells us the inspection of Jesus began.

Could the inspection of the Lamb of God have begun on Sunday?

Was the Lamb of God available for a Sunday inspection?


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

Which Sabbath cj, the weekly or the Passover Sabbath?

My wrong, its on the 13th day, the evening of the 14th being the Passover.

Yet my belief is that the two Sabbaths overlaped in this particular year. Thus the 13th day in relation to the Passover would also have been the 6th day of the weekly Sabbath.

And this is where I was attempting to present the tie-in between the sacrificial Lamb and the true heavenly Manna.

In one sense Christ is the Lamb of God, but in another sense He is the true bread from heaven.

On the day before the Passover evening, when Christ was crucified, He was both the sacrificial Lamb of God, His blood covering our sins and whom we have to eat/receive (the Jews ate the flesh of the Passover lamb, born-again believers receive what Christ accomplished on the cross), and He became the true heavenly Bread/Manna that can be received into our spirit, and thus eternally supply our need (bring us into God's eternal rest).

We differ on when He was crucified and I'm not up to debating that again (done so many times here before). Plus, I take the three days, three nights literal. So, I may not be the best person to answer your original question out of bias. Sorry.

Don't be sorry, you believe what you do.

But your understanding of the Lord's death being on a Wednesday does not allow for the four-day inspection of the sacrificial Lamb as the questioning of Jesus by the authorities (which is akin to the inspecting of the lamb) did not begin until the third day of His final visit to Jerusalem.

If we were to take a Wednesday as the day of His crucifiction then His questioning had to have started on the Sunday prior, which means that His final entrance to Jerusalem had to take place on a Friday.

This would have meant that on His second day in Jerusalem it would have been a weekly Sabbath day, yet, scriptures say that He was staying in Bethany. But scripture also says that on this second day ".... they came to Jerusalem. And He entered into the temple and began to cast out those who were selling and those who were buying in the temple, and He overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling the doves;"

This does not sound like your typical weekly Sabbath day temple activity.

Fact is, it wasn't,.... it was your regular Monday temple activity.

And if it was Monday that He did this, and His four-day inspection began on the following day, the day that ".... the chief priests and the scribes and the elders came to Him, and said to Him, By what authority do You do these things, or who gave You this authority to do these things?"

This would mean that the four-day inspection began on Tuesday,.... and,.... ended on Friday,..... with first,.... "Now the chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were seeking testimony against Jesus in order to put Him to death, and they could not find it." (inspected by the Jews for their salvation)...... and then Pilate's declaration,.... "You have brought this man to me as one who turns the people away, and behold, I have examined Him before you and found no fault in this man regarding the accusations you bring against Him." (inspected by a Gentile for the salvation of the Gentiles).


In love,
cj

 

[Vic C.]

Sorry cj, I read yout post wrong. Somehow I thought it said, Friday crucifixion, not Friday Passover.

See Wavy, I didn't even need to point out your scriptural ignorance, Vic did.

I didn't do this to point out anyone's ignorance. I just like to share what I learn and hope I will be corrected if found in err.
________________________________________________________________________

I never suggested Wed. to be the day of crucifixion. I believe it to be Thurs. and can explain.

Nisan 10 was the day the Hebrews procured their passover lamb and the day the four day "inspection" started. Nisan 10 is also the day Jesus rode into the city. (Palm Sunday)

Nisan 14 is the day the Jews sacrificed their lamb.

Exodus12:6 And it shall be for you to keep until the fourteenth day of this month. And all the assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it between the evenings. (LITV)

6`And it hath become a charge to you, until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole assembly of the company of Israel have slaughtered it between the evenings; (YLT)

"Between the evenings", or "bain ha’arbayim" in Hebrew, would be the waning hours of the aftornoon, after 12 and before 6 PM. ("between" would suggest halfway or 3 PM) It was right after the ninth hour (or 3PM) when Jesus said from the cross, "Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit:" (Luke 23:46) 8-)

So lets count forward from Nisan 10 (Sunday) Sunday to Monday; day one. Monday to Tuesday; day two. Tues. to Wed.; day three. Wed. to Thurs.; day four. (Nisan 14, the day of the sacrifice) Can you imagine that; as the high priest was killing the lamb, Jesus was uttering His last words. His death was "perfectly" timed. It usually took someone a couple of days to die on a cross; He submitted His spirit in a matter of hours.

John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.


His death, occuring on a Thurs., also helps fullfill Jesus' prophecy...

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The remainder of Thurs. would give us the first day. From sunset 'til dawn would give us the first night. Dawn 'til sunset Fri. is day two. Sunset Fri. 'til dawn is the second night. Saturday 'til sunset is day three. Sunset 'til the Resurrection would be the third night. (we do know from scripture that He rose before dawn of the first day of the week)

There we have it; thrre days and three nights.

A couple things to note: there were two "sabbaths" during that week.

A proper interpretation of Matthew 28:1 indicates this.

1 ¶ But late in the sabbaths, at the dawning into the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene and the other Mary came to gaze upon the grave. (LITV)

1And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre, (YLT)

A Wed. crucifixion would not be possible, as it adds a fourth day and night into the equasion. Also, a Friday crucifixion accounts for only two days and two nights. Both days would leave Jesus' prophesy as a false prophecy. :o

 

[cj]

cj, your views of the manna/Christ thing is creative at best but speculative and without merit at the least.

The scriptures aren't speculative.

Everything in the OT scriptures are a shadow of that which was to come (and has come), therefore, what do you say the manna that God provided to the Jews while they were in the desert (it stopped immediately they were brought into the promised land) is a type of? Also, tell us what you think the manna that was placed in the golden pot which was then placed in the ark is a type of?

Because Christ died and rose on the weekend we can find many parallels to the rest of scripture.

For example:

To me, this event shows the cosmic fulfillment of the Sabbath command which ENHANCES it's sanctity. As God created the earth in six days and rested on the seventh to celebrate a completed work, so Christ died, finishing the plan of salvation for all men "It is finished!" and then rested the Sabbath day in the tomb.

Scripture does not say that Christ "rested" in His tomb. Fact is, Christ wanted nothing to do the any tomb, what He wanted was to be with the Father and seated on the throne in the heavens, as only when this had been accomplished would everything be in order.

Christ does not find rest in a tomb, Christ finds rest in the Father, just as the Father finds His rest in the Son.

The parallel is unmistakable:

God creates and finishes His perfect work-----------> He rests from His work

Christ establishes victory over sin and finishes His perfect work-----> He rests from His labors.

As in life, even in death Christ upholds the sanctity of the day He established for ALL mankind from the foundation of the world, outside of man's experience, blessed and sanctified and made Holy.

It is established as God's holy day, not man's.

So a dead Christ upholds the sanctity of the day huh?

Give me a break. Do you even read what you write?

You can continue to spin whatever stories and complex theories you want about the validity of the Sabbath but you cannot get past that or explain it away.

Don't have to,... its self-condemning in its foolishness.

If find it funny that as part of the 10 commandments, 9 are still kept but merely in the spirit but the Sabbath has some sort of typological, metaphorical, allegorical, OC-NC linkage and enough theological mumbo-jumbo meaning to make a scholar's head spin, as to why it isn't valid anymore.

Sounds more like desperation and smoke and mirrors then plain biblical truth.

The "funniness" you "find" issues out of your ignorance of scriptures and desire to hold onto self-serving religiousity.

Every born-again believer is in the eternal rest of God, for every born-again believer is in Christ and Christ is God eternal rest.

Yet not every born-again believer manifests this truth in their present living.

But rest easy, one day you will come to know that what you think you do on a Saturday is nothing before God (even worse, is evil in His eyes as it works against His Son), and that all the time, on every day since you believed, you have been in the true Sabbath, the eternal Sabbath of God, Christ Jesus.


This is what scriptures declare.

In love,
cj

 

[cj]

Sorry cj, I read yout post wrong. Somehow I thought it said, Friday crucifixion, not Friday Passover.

Still, I wasn't clear and should have been. I haven't been down this road with others before so I should be more careful.

I didn't do this to point out anyone's ignorance. I just like to share what I learn and hope I will be corrected if found in err.

A pattern I should follow, and hope to one day.

I never suggested Wed. to be the day of crucifixion.

You're right, you didn't, I should have asked you which day you believed it took place on.

I guess I was thrown by your "literal days/nights" statement.

If He had been crucified on a Wednesday then counting from sunset to sunset, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday would be three nights and three days.

I believe it to be Thurs. and can explain......

It works for me,..... except for a couple of things.

And please, understand that these things are not terribly important to our salvation, but they do become important when contending for the truth, particularly against religiousity. So for me what we are doing (since I in no way see you as religious and a perpetrator of religiousity) is just fellowshipping, seeking the deeper things of God. Like we were hanging out talking stuff.

Anyway, back to those things,.....

The Passover was according to the law, but the weekly Sabbath was according to a commandments.

Therefore consider this from Luke,.... "And it was the day of preparation, and the Sabbath was coming on. And the women who had come together with Him out of Galilee followed after and beheld the tomb and how His body was laid. And they returned and prepared spices and ointment. And on the Sabbath they rested..... according to the commandment.

".... according to the commandment." Not the law/statute.

Also, as I pointed out in the post above, the "inspecting of Jesus did not begin until Tuesday when the questions from the various authorties began.

A Wed. crucifixion would not be possible, as it adds a fourth day and night into the equasion. Also, a Friday crucifixion accounts for only two days and two nights. Both days would leave Jesus' prophesy as a false prophecy.

I agree Wednesday is out,

As for the three days, I understand that three in some way indicates resurrection and I think this is the way it needs to be looked at.

But we can explore this some more.

In love,
cj