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Was the “wing of abominations” in Daniel 9:27 a UFO powered by demons?

Randy

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I should point out, unlike all other interpretations of Revelation, I harmonized Daniel, Christ, Paul and John, in a detailed list of events that will begin in the near future. If I am wrong, everyone will know it soon enough:

When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child
vs 17
Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
 

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When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child
vs 17
Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
 

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When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child
vs 17
Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.
In context, the action is yet future and "when the dragon saw he had been hurled to the earth," then he pursued the woman....which puts it into the end time because of the "time reference," his pursuit causes her to flee into the wilderness for 1,260 days, the time of the first half of the end time week.
 

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In context, the action is yet future and "when the dragon saw he had been hurled to the earth," then he pursued the woman....which puts it into the end time because of the "time reference," his pursuit causes her to flee into the wilderness for 1,260 days, the time of the first half of the end time week.
Satan currently leads the nations astray. And demons are fallen angels. And you already have Jesus's witness of Satan's fall.
You really thin Ezekiel 28 is just about the King of Tyre?
You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
carnelian, chrysolite and emerald,
topaz, onyx and jasper,
lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl. b
Your settings and mountings c were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
14You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
 

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Satan currently leads the nations astray. And demons are fallen angels. And you already have Jesus's witness of Satan's fall.
You really thin Ezekiel 28 is just about the King of Tyre?
You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
carnelian, chrysolite and emerald,
topaz, onyx and jasper,
lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl. b
Your settings and mountings c were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
14You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
Don't confuse Satan has been roaming the earth since the Garden of Eden, and being cast out of the dimension of heaven by Michael the Archangel. The last occurs in the End Time when Satan knows he has little time left:

And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. (Job 1:7 KJV)

7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. (Rev. 12:7-12 KJV)

This is clearly different than Satan's usual roaming of the earth, after this war he cannot return to heaven.
 

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So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
This is a summary, a "telescoped prophecy" which ends with the "war in heaven". There is no contradiction between the text you cite and Revelation. "I threw you to the earth" = "war in heaven".
 

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This is a summary, a "telescoped prophecy" which ends with the "war in heaven". There is no contradiction between the text you cite and Revelation. "I threw you to the earth" = "war in heaven".
You won't except anything. You are bending the text to fit your belief.
Satan has already been cast down to earth.
The 72 returned with joy. They said, “Lord, even the demons obey us when we speak in your name.”
18 Jesus replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 I have given you authority to walk all over snakes and scorpions. You will be able to destroy all the power of the enemy. Nothing will harm you.

What makes them demons instead of angels? They are possessing people on earth. The angels who remained faithful to God are in heaven. They are not Gods enemies. Gods enemies do not dwell in heaven. He cast them to the earth.

And I do not find God stating UFO's are a sign of the end.
 

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This is a summary, a "telescoped prophecy" which ends with the "war in heaven". There is no contradiction between the text you cite and Revelation. "I threw you to the earth" = "war in heaven".
Its depicts Satan or a guardian cherub as a model of perfection and beauty until sin was found in him.
Is it your belief Sin hasn't been found in him yet and he's still in heaven with Gods angels?
 

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Its depicts Satan or a guardian cherub as a model of perfection and beauty until sin was found in him.
Is it your belief Sin hasn't been found in him yet and he's still in heaven with Gods angels?
No. I reject medieval metaphysical concepts of heaven and earth.

The TELEIOS (heaven) and MEROS (our partial) are two separate "realms generated by the infinite Mind of God," "alternate realms metaverse". In the realm of heaven Satan and his angels exist, they are physical and use technology to get from place to place. They are not "spirits". Like angels, they enter our "MEROS sphere of existence" through portals:

But, as soon as that which is complete (5046 τέλειος teleios) is come, that which is in part (3313 μέρος meros), shall be
done away. (1 Cor. 13:10 ROT)

 

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Gods enemies do not dwell in heaven. He cast them to the earth.
Incorrect:

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. (Eph. 6:12 NKJ)

This war is fought in heaven, Satan and his angels are there when it begins:

And war broke out in heaven
: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, (Rev. 12:7 NKJ)
 

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No. I reject medieval metaphysical concepts of heaven and earth.

The TELEIOS (heaven) and MEROS (our partial) are two separate "realms generated by the infinite Mind of God," "alternate realms metaverse". In the realm of heaven Satan and his angels exist, they are physical and use technology to get from place to place. They are not "spirits". Like angels, they enter our "MEROS sphere of existence" through portals:

But, as soon as that which is complete (5046 τέλειος teleios) is come, that which is in part (3313 μέρος meros), shall be
done away. (1 Cor. 13:10 ROT)

Ok you just went off the deep end. I am ending the discussion of UFO's and your beliefs of portals etc. I don't share them.
Peace
 

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Ok you just went off the deep end. I am ending the discussion of UFO's and your beliefs of portals etc. I don't share them.
Peace

The papal Council of the Lateran A.D. 1215 decreed angels are incorporeal, not scripture. Protestants faithfully advance Catholic dogma to this day, why is unknown.


Scripture never implies angels materialize functioning bodies to be seen in our realm (Gen. 18:8. Jdg. 6:11). On the contrary, they traverse the metaverse leaving their "Complete" (5046 τέλειος teleios) to appear in our "Partial" (3313 μέρος meros) (1Cor. 13:10) through portals (Gen. 28:12) without materialization at all.

Evidently they can be "cloaked with invisibility" until God opens eyes, not materialize bodies (2Kings 6:17).

The theory angels create and dissolve materialized bodies at will is a massive violation of Occam's razor, the sort of eisegeses the Roman magisterium is famous for.

The quaint medieval metaphysics are contradicted by Moses and Elijah who are so physical Peter wanted to build tents for them (Mark 9:1-2, 5) when the portal between realms was open.

John went physically into heaven through a door (Rev. 4:1).

Paul would have known he was "out of the body" if it were impossible to be physical in Third Heaven (2Cor. 12:2, 4).

Jesus sits on the throne in His resurrected human body (Ac. 1:9; 2:33).

When our LORD arrives with His Holy Myriads to descend upon the Beast at Armageddon, its through an opening between realms that will be as visible as flashing lightning, which portal opening is the "sign of Christ's coming" (Rev. 19:11-14; Mt. 24:3, 27, 30-31).


Following Scripture is not off the deep end.
 
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