What believing means

[K2CHRIST]

According to Christianity, we have this triune God that is the powerful, knowledgeable, and Omni-present being that created and rules everything. Jesus Christ said He would never leave you. And I encounter people that say He left a book, and that we are not worthy for God to talk to. On the contrary: who are you that you do not listen to Him!

If in fact God is who we say He is, then He is with us at all times. And if He is our Lord, like we claim, He is giving us instructions. And if we really believe this we are going to be seeking those instruction and we be careful to follow them. Yet I regularly run across Christians who rarely hear from Him and who even doubt that it possible for others to regularly hear from Him. To them, the Scriptures are the almighty God, instead of sacred writings explaining that they need to listen to the Almighty God. I saw where to them God is a God of Wrath, when it is written that God is love. Well, if they really know the Lord and listened to Him, they would know that He is love, but again; who are they to not listen to Him? Will not even His patience run out and the very thing they fear (the Wrath of God) come down on them.

We need to listen to Him. And if we do, we get faith that He is there, because we do start hearing from Him. And so if you regularly hear from Him you will seek Him more and more, and thus hear Him more and more. So truly believing that God does exist (like Christians are suppose to believe) means a relationship with God via regular conversations with Him.

There are men of God that know this. And I believe the most anointed are going to know this, because of the connection of faith and hearing.

Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The Greek word used for word in the above verse in Rhema, and means an utterance. God talks to us personally, we hear that utterance (word), and that gives us the belief and understanding that He is indeed the powerful, knowledgeable, and Omni-present being that created and rules everything.

Benny Hinn once said, "It is not thus said the Lord, it is thus saith the Lord. He is still saying today."

So where did Benny's faith come from, if not from having conversation with the Lord?

Bill Johnson in his book 'When Heaven Invades Earth' wrote " The emphasis is on hearing... in the now! In Genesis God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. As Abraham raised the knife to slay his son God spoke again. This time He told him not to slay his son, as he had passed the test of being willing to do anything for God. It is a good thing that Abraham's only connection with God was not just over what was said, but was based upon what He was saying!"

The emphasis in the Bible is on hearing God now, and that is what believing means. So if someone is putting the emphasis on reading what God said in the past and thus are not hearing God now for that reasons, what faith do they have, really?

 

[Cygnus]

Before we can believe, does the following verse suggest Father God has to give us the ability to believe?

John 6:64 However, there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray Him.) 65 Then Jesus said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father” has granted it to him.

 

[th1b.taylor]

According to Christianity, we have this triune God that is the powerful, knowledgeable, and Omni-present being that created and rules everything. Jesus Christ said He would never leave you. And I encounter people that say He left a book, and that we are not worthy for God to talk to. On the contrary: who are you that you do not listen to Him!

If in fact God is who we say He is, then He is with us at all times. And if He is our Lord, like we claim, He is giving us instructions. And if we really believe this we are going to be seeking those instruction and we be careful to follow them. Yet I regularly run across Christians who rarely hear from Him and who even doubt that it possible for others to regularly hear from Him. To them, the Scriptures are the almighty God, instead of sacred writings explaining that they need to listen to the Almighty God. I saw where to them God is a God of Wrath, when it is written that God is love. Well, if they really know the Lord and listened to Him, they would know that He is love, but again; who are they to not listen to Him? Will not even His patience run out and the very thing they fear (the Wrath of God) come down on them.

We need to listen to Him. And if we do, we get faith that He is there, because we do start hearing from Him. And so if you regularly hear from Him you will seek Him more and more, and thus hear Him more and more. So truly believing that God does exist (like Christians are suppose to believe) means a relationship with God via regular conversations with Him.

There are men of God that know this. And I believe the most anointed are going to know this, because of the connection of faith and hearing.

Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The Greek word used for word in the above verse in Rhema, and means an utterance. God talks to us personally, we hear that utterance (word), and that gives us the belief and understanding that He is indeed the powerful, knowledgeable, and Omni-present being that created and rules everything.

Benny Hinn once said, "It is not thus said the Lord, it is thus saith the Lord. He is still saying today."

So where did Benny's faith come from, if not from having conversation with the Lord?

Bill Johnson in his book 'When Heaven Invades Earth' wrote " The emphasis is on hearing... in the now! In Genesis God told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. As Abraham raised the knife to slay his son God spoke again. This time He told him not to slay his son, as he had passed the test of being willing to do anything for God. It is a good thing that Abraham's only connection with God was not just over what was said, but was based upon what He was saying!"

The emphasis in the Bible is on hearing God now, and that is what believing means. So if someone is putting the emphasis on reading what God said in the past and thus are not hearing God now for that reasons, what faith do they have, really?

Acts 17:11
New American Standard Bible
Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.

In Mal. 3:6 we learn that God never changes and in 2Tim. 3:16 we learn, virtually, all scrip6ture is useful for guiding our Lives in all things. I hear, in the Biblical Sense of the word, from not every day but rather in my sleep and all day long. and like the Bereans and the Thessalonians, I check the Written Word to insure it is God speaking because angels can appear as angels of light, the Son of God.

If we are true to God and to do as God has directed and taught us in Mal. 3:6 and James 1:17 we are not likely to err. Receiving messages from a Spirit and not checking them against what God has had recorded to use the tools God has presented us with for us to use, our yard stick, if you will, failure to measure in construction, always meant failure but failure to measure in Spiritual matters carries the penalty of Eternal, continuing, Death in the Abyss, a.k.a. the Lake of Fire.

Now, the Heretic Thief, Benny Hinn. he is not a God Called Minister, flat out truth of the matter. He has been exposed as such 5 or 6 times and People are very hungry for a way to work their way into Heaven or to purchase a ticket to enter Heaven but unfortunate for the Suckers Mr. Hinn rips off, there is but one way to enter into the Kingdom and that to believe on Jesus by Faith.

The writer of the OP as over-extended, added words, to what I and other Scripturally Based Followers of God have tried, in vain to help this issue but the writer rejected sound Godly instruction. Please do not fall into Satan's trap here. If you seek the face of God, this is the correct site to find the trail to Him but there are also those lurking about that have cork-screwed the truth into being false.

 

[Eugene]

I regularly run across Christians who rarely hear from Him and who even doubt that it possible for others to regularly hear from Him.

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son (Jesus), whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
How did this come to be manifest? Would you consider Jesus choosing someone with a gospel hidden from ages and generations (Col 1:26) that we’re going to be judged by? (Rom 2:16)

I encounter people that say He left a boo

Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. Do we in Christ all have the same gifts? Do all in Christ even receive the Holy Ghost since they believed? (Acts 19:2)

 

[iLOVE]

Question? After salvation begins sanctification. How does the Believer grow in grace in the knowledge of Lord Jesus Christ (2 Peter 3:18)? 1. How are we blessed? 2. Who blesses us...God or Jesus?

 

[K2CHRIST]

Before we can believe, does the following verse suggest Father God has to give us the ability to believe?

John 6:64 However, there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray Him.) 65 Then Jesus said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to Me unless the Father” has granted it to him.

The Lord is the creator. He, being God, should know what He created and how it would respond. Never-the-less, we still have Jn 3-16 and other verses about being saved by faith. So whether a man believes or not has nothing to do with "What believing means" - the topic presented.

 

[K2CHRIST]

Question? After salvation begins sanctification. How does the Believer grow in grace in the knowledge of Lord Jesus Christ (2 Peter 3:18)? 1. How are we blessed? 2. Who blesses us...God or Jesus?

I think the short answer is through their relationship with the Lord.

Relationships, any relationship, its something that is developed. A new believer is someone that has just entered into a relationship with our Lord Jesus Christ. You can't expect them to have a really close relationship with Him to begin with. Just like we get to know people, we get to know the Lord. Relationships are developed by spending time together.

Concerning how we are blessed, the simple answer is in a number of ways. Concerning who blesses us... God or Jesus? God is Father, Son, and Spirit. Jesus is fully God. It is written - In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God... and it goes on to say that the Word walk among them. That was Jesus Christ, the Word, that took on flesh and walk among them. He is with God and is God. And the Father said, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased, Listen to Him." So it is God the Son, Jesus Christ, whom we are commanded to listen to. It is the Son that the Father want to glorify. And the Spirit is in agreement. Of the Spirit it is written that He does not speak on His own imitative, but as He hears He speaks. And that He (the Spirit) take form what belongs to the Son and gives it to us (the words of God). The words of God belong to the Son.

Jn 16:13-15 (NASB) But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

So both the Father and the Spirit glorify the Son! So is it the Father who gave all things to the Son, which include the words God has for you personally, or is it the Son whom in the lawful owner of all things the Father has, which would include the words God has for you personally, or is it the Spirit whom takes those words for you which the Father gave to the Son and discloses them to you? Who blesses you? Clearly God blesses you, and we see that God is One. Yet, Jesus Christ the Son gets the glory, according to the desire of the Father and the Spirit. And if the Father and the Spirit wish to give the glory to Jesus Christ, I will also give Jesus Christ the glory for giving us blessings. I think you should too.

 

[K2CHRIST]

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son (Jesus), whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
How did this come to be manifest? Would you consider Jesus choosing someone with a gospel hidden from ages and generations (Col 1:26) that we’re going to be judged by? (Rom 2:16)

Co 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. Do we in Christ all have the same gifts? Do all in Christ even receive the Holy Ghost since they believed? (Acts 19:2)

Jn 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me

His sheep hear His voice. So every believer should hear His voice. Are all prophets? What is the Lord going to have you personally do? I don't know, but whatever it is a believer hears His voice and He knows them.

Concerning: "Would you consider Jesus choosing someone with a gospel hidden for age and generations"

What is a hidden gospel? There is one gospel which we preach. We preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified. He is a King with a kingdom, but that is just preaching Him. The good news is that we can have access to the King, Jesus Christ. He said He stands at the door and knocks and if anyone hears His voice and opens the door, He will come into them and eat with them and them with Him. (Rev 3:20) So I have just told you that, and it is written in the Scriptures for all to see, so is it hidden?

God maybe a God that hides Himself, but do you not know that He hides Himself to be found? There is joy in finding Him.

He once told me He hid Himself for much the same reason a Father might play Peek-a Boo with their child. It bring excitement to the child and helps focus the child's attention on his father.

We can read things in the Bible, and we should, but still not have understanding unless we listen to the Lord.

Prov 2:3-6 For if you cry for discernment, lift up your voice to understanding; If you seek her as silver and search for her as for hidden treasure; Then you will discern the fear of the Lord and discover the knowledge of God. For the Lord gives wisdom; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

Maybe the gospel is a bit hidden, but if you seek you shall find, and what you will find is that knowledge and understanding come from His mouth. So we need to seek to hear what He has to say to us. You will do that if you truly believe that He is.

 

[K2CHRIST]

Acts 17:11
New American Standard Bible
Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.

In Mal. 3:6 we learn that God never changes and in 2Tim. 3:16 we learn, virtually, all scrip6ture is useful for guiding our Lives in all things. I hear, in the Biblical Sense of the word, from not every day but rather in my sleep and all day long. and like the Bereans and the Thessalonians, I check the Written Word to insure it is God speaking because angels can appear as angels of light, the Son of God.

If we are true to God and to do as God has directed and taught us in Mal. 3:6 and James 1:17 we are not likely to err. Receiving messages from a Spirit and not checking them against what God has had recorded to use the tools God has presented us with for us to use, our yard stick, if you will, failure to measure in construction, always meant failure but failure to measure in Spiritual matters carries the penalty of Eternal, continuing, Death in the Abyss, a.k.a. the Lake of Fire.

Now, the Heretic Thief, Benny Hinn. he is not a God Called Minister, flat out truth of the matter. He has been exposed as such 5 or 6 times and People are very hungry for a way to work their way into Heaven or to purchase a ticket to enter Heaven but unfortunate for the Suckers Mr. Hinn rips off, there is but one way to enter into the Kingdom and that to believe on Jesus by Faith.

The writer of the OP as over-extended, added words, to what I and other Scripturally Based Followers of God have tried, in vain to help this issue but the writer rejected sound Godly instruction. Please do not fall into Satan's trap here. If you seek the face of God, this is the correct site to find the trail to Him but there are also those lurking about that have cork-screwed the truth into being false.

John called some vipers, and Jesus said he was correct to do so. Jesus told the Jews they searched the Scriptures thinking in them they had eternal life instead of coming to Him, and Jesus said His sheep hear His voice. He said His words were spirit (Jn 6:63). Ink on paper is not spirit. The Spirit did talk to those who wrote the Bible, but the words they wrote are ink on paper now.

Jesus told some who studied the Scriptures, Jn 8:47 (NASB) He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.

They told Jesus ( which is incredible if you think about it) "Do we not say rightly You are a Samaritan and have a demon". (Jn 8:48) Wow - did they ever get that wrong! And there is nothing new under the sun. There are those still like that. They are searching the Scriptures thinking in them they have eternal life. They are "Scripturally Based Followers of God". Instead of Christian they should probably be called Scripturians." But we are to be follower of Jesus Christ, and are to know Him as our Lord.

He said, Jn 10:4 (NASB) When he puts for all his own, he goes ahead of them, and they follow Him because they know his voice.

Note: It doesn't say because they know His book. The first words He told me were, "Read Your Bible", so I think He is going to tell us to read and study the Bible, just like it is written

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be adequately equipped for every good work.

So to be equipped we need to study the Bible. But if you studied it, you will notice it does not say to following it, but to follow Jesus Christ and that by being lead by His voice. WOE, somebody got that wrong! We are not Scripturians, we are Christians because we hear His voice and do what He says. That is what is means to believe in Him, and what it means to call Him Lord.

 

[Cygnus]

The Lord is the creator. He, being God, should know what He created and how it would respond. Never-the-less, we still have Jn 3-16 and other verses about being saved by faith. So whether a man believes or not has nothing to do with "What believing means" - the topic presented.

God did know what He created and how we would respond. God knows we will reject Him. John 3:16-18 tells us we are already condemned.

 

[th1b.taylor]

God did know what He created and how we would respond. God knows we will reject Him. John 3:16-18 tells us we are already condemned.

AMEN!

 

[K2CHRIST]

Jn 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed.

God knows who believes and who doesn't. He knows who by faith listens to Him and who doesn't. He created us and is going to know what we are going to do and under what circumstances. But if is also written, "if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will com in to him and will dine with him. " Rev 3:20 (NASB) So anyone, as in everyone that is anyone, wills to hear His voice and open the door to Him, can come to know Him. The fact that He create everyone that is anyone and know how their will works is irrelevant to the message and what it means. We all need to hear from Him, and that still small voice of His.

(NASB) Jer 7:2 "Stand in the gate of the Lord's house and proclaim there this word and say, 'Hear the word of the Lord, all you of Judah, who enter by these gates to worship the Lord.

The message has not really changed. We are supposed to 'Hear the word of the Lord'. Still there were those then that didn't!

Jer 7:13 ... "and I spoke to you, rising up early and speaking, but you did not hear, and I called you but you did not answer.

So the message Jeremiah had then is the message today. He speaks to us when we get up and even through the day. He stands the knocking with His voice, and if anyone hears His voice and opens the door, He will indeed come in to them. So a believer is the anyone that hears His voice and opens the door. And that mean from the time they arise in the morning.

As for me, we (the Lord and I) started talking from right about the time I opened my eyes this morning. He took me to the above verse even before I got out of bed. I had my pad next to my bed and He had me go to the Bible on it. I got up and He asked me to turn on my computer and go for a walk with Him. And when I came back, the computer was of course on and up, and He asked me to post the above verses. I didn't understand then how they were going to work in to the thread, but clearly they do. He must have known.

Of course I find that if I testify to hearing Him like that, and walking with God like that there is always going to be someone thinking you have it all wrong. But who really has it wrong. Isn't it the one that doesn't "Hear the word of the Lord" like commanded. Yet there are those thinking the Bible is the command of the Lord. NO, the Bible has the command to "Hear the word of the Lord" in it. It has wisdom that can lead to salvation which is in Jesus Christ, whose name is called "The Word of God".

Jer 7:21,22 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, "Add you burnt offerings to your sacrifices and eat flesh. For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. But this is what I commanded the, saying "Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you My people:"

 

[Cygnus]

But if is also written, "if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will com in to him and will dine with him. " Rev 3:20 (NASB)

Is this message limited to salvation only?
Can a christian not be listening to Christ..and Christ is saying, open the door, lets eat, lets talk?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Jn 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed.

God knows who believes and who doesn't. He knows who by faith listens to Him and who doesn't. He created us and is going to know what we are going to do and under what circumstances. But if is also written, "if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will com in to him and will dine with him. " Rev 3:20 (NASB) So anyone, as in everyone that is anyone, wills to hear His voice and open the door to Him, can come to know Him. The fact that He create everyone that is anyone and know how their will works is irrelevant to the message and what it means. We all need to hear from Him, and that still small voice of His.

(NASB) Jer 7:2 "Stand in the gate of the Lord's house and proclaim there this word and say, 'Hear the word of the Lord, all you of Judah, who enter by these gates to worship the Lord.

The message has not really changed. We are supposed to 'Hear the word of the Lord'. Still there were those then that didn't!

Jer 7:13 ... "and I spoke to you, rising up early and speaking, but you did not hear, and I called you but you did not answer.

So the message Jeremiah had then is the message today. He speaks to us when we get up and even through the day. He stands the knocking with His voice, and if anyone hears His voice and opens the door, He will indeed come in to them. So a believer is the anyone that hears His voice and opens the door. And that mean from the time they arise in the morning.

As for me, we (the Lord and I) started talking from right about the time I opened my eyes this morning. He took me to the above verse even before I got out of bed. I had my pad next to my bed and He had me go to the Bible on it. I got up and He asked me to turn on my computer and go for a walk with Him. And when I came back, the computer was of course on and up, and He asked me to post the above verses. I didn't understand then how they were going to work in to the thread, but clearly they do. He must have known.

Of course I find that if I testify to hearing Him like that, and walking with God like that there is always going to be someone thinking you have it all wrong. But who really has it wrong. Isn't it the one that doesn't "Hear the word of the Lord" like commanded. Yet there are those thinking the Bible is the command of the Lord. NO, the Bible has the command to "Hear the word of the Lord" in it. It has wisdom that can lead to salvation which is in Jesus Christ, whose name is called "The Word of God".

Jer 7:21,22 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, "Add you burnt offerings to your sacrifices and eat flesh. For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. But this is what I commanded the, saying "Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you My people:"

This ¿discussion?

Jn 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed.



God knows who believes and who doesn't. He knows who by faith listens to Him and who doesn't. He created us and is going to know what we are going to do and under what circumstances. But if is also written, "if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will com in to him and will dine with him. " Rev 3:20 (NASB) So anyone, as in everyone that is anyone, wills to hear His voice and open the door to Him, can come to know Him. The fact that He create everyone that is anyone and know how their will works is irrelevant to the message and what it means. We all need to hear from Him, and that still small voice of His.



(NASB) Jer 7:2 "Stand in the gate of the Lord's house and proclaim there this word and say, 'Hear the word of the Lord, all you of Judah, who enter by these gates to worship the Lord.



The message has not really changed. We are supposed to 'Hear the word of the Lord'. Still there were those then that didn't!



Jer 7:13 ... "and I spoke to you, rising up early and speaking, but you did not hear, and I called you but you did not answer.



So the message Jeremiah had then is the message today. He speaks to us when we get up and even through the day. He stands the knocking with His voice, and if anyone hears His voice and opens the door, He will indeed come in to them. So a believer is the anyone that hears His voice and opens the door. And that mean from the time they arise in the morning.



As for me, we (the Lord and I) started talking from right about the time I opened my eyes this morning. He took me to the above verse even before I got out of bed. I had my pad next to my bed and He had me go to the Bible on it. I got up and He asked me to turn on my computer and go for a walk with Him. And when I came back, the computer was of course on and up, and He asked me to post the above verses. I didn't understand then how they were going to work in to the thread, but clearly they do. He must have known.



Of course I find that if I testify to hearing Him like that, and walking with God like that there is always going to be someone thinking you have it all wrong. But who really has it wrong. Isn't it the one that doesn't "Hear the word of the Lord" like commanded. Yet there are those thinking the Bible is the command of the Lord. NO, the Bible has the command to "Hear the word of the Lord" in it. It has wisdom that can lead to salvation which is in Jesus Christ, whose name is called "The Word of God".



Jer 7:21,22 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, "Add you burnt offerings to your sacrifices and eat flesh. For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. But this is what I commanded the, saying "Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you My people:"

Not a very skillful ruse to change the subject! This all began with you not checking the the spirit that speaks to you against the recorded Word of God, you indicated that there was no need and I brought up the Bereans and the Corinthians and how they were considered faithful to check the words of Paul's words against the scriptures.



The Bible is not worshiped by any Christian but it is many thing to them. The Bible, every word of it is the Sacred Word of The Only God Head. And as i have explained to you, God never changes. (Numbers 23:19, Mal. 3:6, Heb 13:8, and James 1;17)



The Bible being the never changing Word of the Most Holy God is the Yard Stick Stick by which every Follower of the Christ uses to check anything any Spirit gives to him or her against.

 

[K2CHRIST]

Is this message limited to salvation only?
Can a christian not be listening to Christ..and Christ is saying, open the door, lets eat, lets talk?

It is absolutely not only about salvation!! Very important point!

If we listen to Christ by faith we are counted and righteous, just like Abram was. (Gen 15) So we have salvation, but is that it? No, what we have is personal relationship with the Christ who we call Jesus (Yeshua) because He is our savior. But Abram knew Him as the word of the Lord. The Christ was the one who showed up to him in a vision, spoke to him, and what did they talk about? Was it Abrams salvation, or about Abram's current concerns? And that is what believing means!

It means you can talk to God about thing things in your life. If like Abram, you have no offspring and are getting old. You can talk to God about it. And it is not just those major concerns in your life. He is awesome with the little things in your life. Isaiah wrote that we would hear a voice behind us everything we turned to the right or the left. (Is 30:21)

If you go to lunch with a friend of yours, what do you talk about. Perhaps it is a fertility problem, but more like it is a team you son or daughter is on. Maybe it's an event in your life, or a financial problem you're having, or maybe it was a fun time you had with someone new in your life. So when we talk to God, what is it going to be about, and my friends God speaks. We can hear from Him. He has many names. He not only is the Christ Jesus, our savior. And not only is the Christ, 'Mighty God', 'Everlasting Father, and 'Prince of Peace', He is also 'Wonderful Counselor', and "The Word of God". He speaks, and it is possible to hear the words God has to say to you. Words of Wisdom and Understanding. And He can tell you so much more.

He is the Teacher, so you should be getting teachings from Him. He knows what's He is going to do, so He can give you prophecy or words of knowledge. His words are spirit and life, so just listening to what He says to you will start bring healing to your bones. So when we start listening to our Lord Jesus Christ, we start getting life and that more abundantly, now! He is awesome to talk to; and I mean listen to.

But there are those saying their reading the Bible is God talking to them. They say that Jesus will come back some day, and thus conclude that He left us with the Bible to know what He wants us to do. Someone wrote on this site wrote that the Bible is the Almighty Word of God. They write that the Bible is alive. They don't know Him! He is not the Bible, He is the One that talked to those who wrote the Bible. So does the Bible have words from God. Yes it does, and we should study it to see what they wrote about Him. It's good idea to do that! But life is not about reading the Bible! Life is about living, and that in a relationship with Him who speaks.

Still, His people have always had a hard time getting that God is real, and that the word is near you. The Word of God, Jesus Christ, is near you. You can hear what He says to you in your heart, and sometimes (because we don't always pay attention too well) you might find that those words come off your lips. He was there influencing you even when you didn't know it. God is spirit, but He is not the only spirit. There is that snake in the garden who says, "Did God really say". That snake wants to create doubt in God and doubt about hearing from Him.

The snake is behind that message that says you have to follow the Bible because the Lord is dead or in some far off place called heaven and will not talk to you. That's the snakes message. Those that knew the Lord in the past wrote things like:

Is 1:2 Listen, O heavens, and hear, O earth; For the Lord speaks

Of course they too saw the problem, so they also wrote things like:

Is 1:3 An ox knows its owner, And a donkey its master's manger, But Israel does not know, My people do not understand.

It's good to read the Bible. It can show you the problem. But it is not about the Bible, it is about the Lord. He speaks. So if anyone believes they are hearing from Him.

 

[K2CHRIST]

This ¿discussion?


Not a very skillful ruse to change the subject! This all began with you not checking the the spirit that speaks to you against the recorded Word of God, you indicated that there was no need and I brought up the Bereans and the Corinthians and how they were considered faithful to check the words of Paul's words against the scriptures.



The Bible is not worshiped by any Christian but it is many thing to them. The Bible, every word of it is the Sacred Word of The Only God Head. And as i have explained to you, God never changes. (Numbers 23:19, Mal. 3:6, Heb 13:8, and James 1;17)



The Bible being the never changing Word of the Most Holy God is the Yard Stick Stick by which every Follower of the Christ uses to check anything any Spirit gives to him or her against.

This is almost funny. We read "The Bible being the never changing Word of the Most Holy God", and we see verses referenced like Mal 3:6, and we might think the poster is very dedicated to making sure he is going by what the Bible has written in it. But take a look.

Mal 3:6 For I the Lord do not change...

So is it the Scriptures or the Lord that does not change? Again He writes 'The Bible being the never changing Word", but the very verse he quotes "I the Lord do not change". He has replace the Lord with the Bible. This was and is a problem.

I often point out Jn 3:39 You search the Scriptures thinking in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me and you are unwilling to come to Me.

The Jews had replaced the Lord with the Bible also. So when He drew near them, if taking on flesh, they did not know Him. They should have. If they would have actually believed the writings they studied, they would have known.

Jn 5:46,47 For if you believe Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings how will you believe Me words?

Malachi had explained that the Lord was going to draw near them, but they missed it. In fact it is written in the verse prior to the one quoted.

Mal 3:5 Then will draw near to you for judgment: and I will be a swift witness against....

Malachi told those religious leaders and priests, Mal 2:1 And now this commandment is for you. O priests, If you do listen, and if you do not give honor to My name...

So we had better listen... and give honor to His name! So what is the Lord's name?

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called "The Word of God"

"The Word of God", is the Lord's name!

And Malachi started off: Mal 1:1 (NASB) The oracle of the word of the Lord to Israel...

So Malachi knew "the word of the Lord" was His name. We call Him Jesus Christ, and it could have been written, "The oracle of Jesus Christ to Israel, except that the Christ had not yet gone to the cross and been crucified because those that studied the Scriptures did not recognize Him when He drew close.

And consider that His name is called "The Word of God", and then again we see that Jesus Christ has been replace by the Scriptures. Is that really giving honor to His name; when you call the Book by His name? It can be semantics. You could be calling the Scriptures the word of God because God talked to people like Moses in the past and they wrote about Him.

Still those that wrote about Him call Him the Word of God, or word of the Lord. And Malachi warned us about giving honor to His name, which is "The Word of God". And the Scared writings are not Him, as He explained, and we should know that. Heck, we should know that the writing change a little just because our language changes with time.

Maybe you'd like the verses of Malachi in the King James version? You might have trouble reading it.

The burden of the word of y Lord to Israel by Malachi I haue loued you, sayth the Lord yet yee say: Wherein hast thou loued vs? (Mal 1:1,2 , 1611 KVJ) So that was how it was written only 400 years ago and in English. It wasne't written in English or only 400 years ago.
It is still plenty good for study and to point you to the Lord, so that you will seek His voice. And it is plenty good for reproof like showing how sometimes we replace Him with His book. That can be a problem. If you do that, you will lack understanding. You might not understand how much He loves you and think He is a God of Wrath. Awe, but that we a mistake pointed out at another time.

 

[th1b.taylor]

So is it the Scriptures or the Lord that does not change? Again He writes 'The Bible being the never changing Word", but the very verse he quotes "I the Lord do not change". He has replace the Lord with the Bible. This was and is a problem.

Telling people I have lied is a personal sap across the face and that is not allowed here. l do not consider anyone that spins what I or the Bible says. I realized before you ever demonstrated it that you had to be a spin doctor to believe as you do but answer my replies with honesty ad do not defame yourself by attacking the Scripture's Contextual Truth.

You jerk scriptures out of their context to rape them and to prove you're point and that is horrible! Anything can be, falsely, established with scripture if you are selective with the single verses you use. But a Wise Man does not treat the Word of God lightly.

 

[Roro1972]

If we listen to Christ by faith we are counted and righteous, just like Abram was. (Gen 15)

I was under the impression the New Covenant that we are now under does not include any of the old covenants.? are we under the covenant Abraham and God made while in the New Covenant?

 

[Gregg T]

This verse defines:
- what faith is
- what it is to believe
and also
- 2 names of the One to believe, inferred but not written in the text (see Isa 53:10-11, Isa 62:11)

This verse also has 8 verbs:
- 2 which relate to actions of God
- 5 which relate to actions of man
and also
- 1 which inferred by Greek grammar, but not written in the text

Heb 11:6 "But without faith it is impossible to please God. For it is right that the one drawing near to God should believe that He is, and that He becomes a rewarder to the ones seeking Him out."

 

[K2CHRIST]

I was under the impression the New Covenant that we are now under does not include any of the old covenants.? are we under the covenant Abraham and God made while in the New Covenant?

When the people of God didn't listen to God at the mountain, God handed down the Law in stone. Abraham was before that and considered a for runner of things to come. You will note that Jesus said that God was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and so they were still in communion with God. Note that Jesus, before the cross, gave an account about a rich man that died and was suffering and who looked across a space to Abraham and asked Abraham to send Lazarus down to give him water. Jesus was explaining all this because there was a poor understanding, and that correction to those who studied the Scriptures.

In the Law, it was necessary to make a sacrifice to put the people right with God. Jesus became that sacrifice, at the cross. The curtain to Holy of Holies was torn. So what is to keep you out, spiritually speaking. Well, to enter means death if you are not right with God. But spiritually speaking we all need to die to ourselves, and let the Lord be Lord of our lives. That is to say we all need to listen to Him and do what He says. This was possible at the time of Moses. God spoke to the people from the mountain, but they said let not God speak to us. It was possible at the time of the prophets, because God commanded it through the prophets, but the people did not listen. And it was possible in the New Testament accounts before Jesus went to the cross. Anna and Simeon both new Jesus was the Christ though He was just a child and not in His ministry yet.

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob all knew God and heard from Him thought they did not have the Scripture. His people at the mountain refused to hear from Him, though they had seen the power of God. So the Law was handed down with provisions, but they were never going to be able to follow it. God knew that. That is why He did it. It allowed the people (Us) to see this and should have focused us back on the relationship Abraham had with God. Jesus fulfilled the Law as the perfect lamb. So will we now listen to Him speaking, or will we continue to say, "Let not God speak to us" in our heart and depend on our being able to follow the Scriptures?

Gal 3:21,22 Is the Law contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if the law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on the law. But the Scriptures has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

The Galatians, after the cross, were going back to the law not realizing that the Scriptures has shut up everyone under sin, and forgetting the promise by faith in Jesus Christ.

Now let me address: Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

What does confessing Jesus Christ is your Lord mean? Confessing it is not the same as just saying it. Confessing it means that you are testifying that Jesus Christ is your Lord, as in He gives you instructions as your Lord which you follow because He is your Lord. And if raised from the dead, it does not mean He left you a book of instructions, but rather is talking to you and giving you those instructions personally.

I have seen people that say Jesus Christ is Lord, but if asked what instructions He gave them, they can just point to the Bible. Therefore they are still making Him out to be dead and not alive. Or if He is alive, He is in some far off place called Heaven and can't be heard from at this time, so as to get instructions from Him personally. That is what Romans 10 covers. It is a great chapter in the Bible to cover, but it you are like the people at the mountain who refused to listen to Him, even though He was trying to talk to them, then you are going to turn allsorts of things around to try and justify your note listening to the living Word of God, Jesus Christ. You might say He is Lord, but you are not confessing you are doing things because He (your Lord) told you to do them.