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What do you think Jesus did for you?

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Heidi

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After some of the responses here, it sounds like a lot of people don't know what Jesus did for them. So what do you think Jesus did for you? If you think he took our sins with him on the cross, then what do you think we should do for future sins we commit? Do you think he only died for some of our sins and not others? Or do you think we can get rid of our sins on our own? If so, then Christ's death was a waste of time.

The Jews don't believe Jesus died for their sins. So they are left with trying to get rid of them on their own which is impossible. Paul said; "For the law 'do not covet' breeds all sorts of covetous desires in me."

Because we are Christians, all we have to do is admit the truth about our sins and Christ is faithful & just to forgive our sins. The more sins we confess, the more God replcaes them with his mercy, love, and forgiveness until one day, all that is all that's left in us. We cannot get rid of sins on our own or we wouldn't even need a savior.
 
Or do you think we can get rid of our sins on our own?
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The Lord has clearly done the work to free us from sin - No Christian would deny it. The question that is constantly avoided:

Who controls whether that work is effective; God, or the believer?

Heidi, time and again you state both positions and glibly maintain there is no problem. But in your post above you claim one "work" that seems to be the believer's alone. And that work seems to ultimately control whether Christ's work is effective:

Because we are Christians, all we have to do is admit the truth about our sins and Christ is faithful & just to forgive our sins. The more sins we confess, the more God replcaes them with his mercy, love, and forgiveness until one day, all that is all that's left in us.
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So, the question to Heidi:

A) Did Heidi choose "on her own" (of her own "free will"), to "admit the truth about [her] sins", and "confess [her] sins", OR
B) Did God choose Heidi, overwhelming her feeble resistance, and convicting her irrevocably to bend her knees and repent?

If He chose US (as I believe the Scripture clearly states) to come to Him, why then did He not choose others?

Are they less worthy than we? If so, why did He make them thus?
No, they are not less worthy than us, but instead unresponsive to His call (because of pride or other flaws - - which is just another way of saying they are unworthy). But why would the Creator make them deaf to the most critical call of all?

You try to camoflage the problem with an "argument" I would restate as "The 1% Solution":

They have "free will", you say. But then so did you, and you chose Him, so now you're back to saying it was your ultimate decision, and not God's that ultimately saved you (or allowed Christ to save you). God did 99% of the saving work, yes, but you provided that last 1% (your repentance, your admission, your...humility!) to make it effective, and that little piece is what separates you from "the atheists", or "the Jews", or whatever other group you want to name and condemn.

Fear not, oh Repentant, Humble, Worthy Christian - - for you, and such (few) others who reflect your humility and temperance, did Our Lord give his life, not for those stiff-necked, those proud, those, those, those . . .

Sinners!
 
Wow!!! Novice, that was great. I just had to reply to this one.

Jesus died for the lost, sinners, enemies. Which is every one of us. He didn't die for the righteous, we only become righteous through the works and faith of Jesus Christ and not our own.

We have nothing to do with it. We had nothing to do with who we are and we will have nothing to do with who we become.

It is all God. Give Him all the credit.

Charlotte
 
Novice said:
Or do you think we can get rid of our sins on our own?
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The Lord has clearly done the work to free us from sin - No Christian would deny it. The question that is constantly avoided:

Who controls whether that work is effective; God, or the believer?

Heidi, time and again you state both positions and glibly maintain there is no problem. But in your post above you claim one "work" that seems to be the believer's alone. And that work seems to ultimately control whether Christ's work is effective:

[quote:fc08d]Because we are Christians, all we have to do is admit the truth about our sins and Christ is faithful & just to forgive our sins. The more sins we confess, the more God replcaes them with his mercy, love, and forgiveness until one day, all that is all that's left in us.
Click to expand...

So, the question to Heidi:

A) Did Heidi choose "on her own" (of her own "free will"), to "admit the truth about [her] sins", and "confess [her] sins", OR
B) Did God choose Heidi, overwhelming her feeble resistance, and convicting her irrevocably to bend her knees and repent?

If He chose US (as I believe the Scripture clearly states) to come to Him, why then did He not choose others?

Are they less worthy than we? If so, why did He make them thus?
No, they are not less worthy than us, but instead unresponsive to His call (because of pride or other flaws - - which is just another way of saying they are unworthy). But why would the Creator make them deaf to the most critical call of all?

You try to camoflage the problem with an "argument" I would restate as "The 1% Solution":

They have "free will", you say. But then so did you, and you chose Him, so now you're back to saying it was your ultimate decision, and not God's that ultimately saved you (or allowed Christ to save you). God did 99% of the saving work, yes, but you provided that last 1% (your repentance, your admission, your...humility!) to make it effective, and that little piece is what separates you from "the atheists", or "the Jews", or whatever other group you want to name and condemn.

Fear not, oh Repentant, Humble, Worthy Christian - - for you, and such (few) others who reflect your humility and temperance, did Our Lord give his life, not for those stiff-necked, those proud, those, those, those . . .

Sinners![/quote:fc08d]

The answer is a resounding "No", I did not come to believe because of my superior wisdom & intelligdence, & pure, loving heart. God was drawing me the whole time. Again, as I've said repeatedly, I could not believe the bible until I received the Holy Spirit. It is God who is responsible for my faith as Ephesians 2:8-9 says; "It is by grace you have been saved through faith-and this not from yourselves-it is a gift from God so that no one can boast." What part of that do you not believe? :o

Paul also says; "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from God for they are foolishness to him and he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned." Again, Paul affirms that it is the Holy Spirit which allows us to understand the things that come from God. The Holy Spirit does not come from people, it comes from God.

I am appalled at the question by Christians of whether we have more power than God! The answer should be obvious! Again for the umpteenth time, God is responsible for everything good in us, not our wonderful selves. God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy & hardens whom he wants to harden. God makes the decisions of the universe, not us!
 
I also want to add so that there is no doubt as to what I believe, that I could give myself the credit for my acknowledgment that I needed a savior but again, since God chose me before the creation of the world to be His child, he was drawing me toward him the whole time by allowing circumstances in my life to bring me towards the humility to admit I needed a savior. As Paul said, "God's call is irrevocable." God knows exactly what we need to bring us to Him.

So again, what makes us totally accountable for our "decision" is the fact that none of us knows whether we are being called by God until we either receive the Holy Spirit or are on our deathbed. That is the key issue in the free will debate.

The bible seems to say that we have free will & we don't have free will which is why there's so much debate about it. But people don't realize that they don't have to take sides because if they do, they will contradict some part of scripture. But my interpretation incorporates both the notion that we have free will & and that we are also accountable. So it contradicts nothing in scripture.

Again, the best way to illustrate this is through the analogy of the relationship between parents & their children. Parents create an environment in which their children feel like they're making their own decisions when in reality the parents are creating the environment in which they can do so. But the child thinks he is making his own decision. And that is paramount in each individual to not feel forced to do what he doesn't want to do. And that is exactly how God treats us. We need to believe the decision is coming from us. But God has been in control the whole time. God chose Paul. Paul did not choose God. Jesus said to his discpiles, "I chose you. You did not choose me."

The movie "Liar, Lair" with Jim Carey illustrates this perfectly. When Jim's son in the movie made a wish that Jim couldn't lie, Jim wanted to lie but no matter how much he tried, he could not. That is what it's like to be born again of the Spirit. It is not a choice. It is a response because the Holy Spirit has made us into a new creation where the old is gone and the new has come. Yes, indeed, "faith is a gift from God so that no one can boast." :)
 
Heidi, thank you. Your last two posts actually admitted that there is ambiguity in the Bible. That people could reasonably come to one conclusion or the other, but still have many scriptures that would contradict their conclusion. I actually agree entirely with both of your last two posts, which state a "Strongly Sovereign" view of God - i.e. nothing in the individual believer merits the effect of God's grace, solely the Holy Spirit drawing that believer into an act of repentance.

But in your first post you said:

The Jews don't believe Jesus died for their sins. So they are left with trying to get rid of them on their own which is impossible.
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This is where my confusion lies: Didn't you and I also (once) NOT believe that Jesus died for our sins? And weren't we similarly "left with trying to get rid of them on (our) own which is impossible"? Yet God gave the Spirit to us, softened our hearts, and we turned, and repented.

You then said (entirely accurately in my humble view):

Parents create an environment in which their children feel like they're making their own decisions when in reality the parents are creating the environment in which they can do so. But the child thinks he is making his own decision. And that is paramount in each individual to not feel forced to do what he doesn't want to do. And that is exactly how God treats us. We need to believe the decision is coming from us. But God has been in control the whole time.
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That is beautifully put. Now, Paul was a Jew. So was Peter and Matthew and Mark. Barnabas, Silas, John the Baptist - all Jews. As was our Lord. God called these (particular) Jews. He also called you and I. Why did he not call the other ("the Vessels of Wrath"?). He is completely Sovereign. He merely needed to give the Holy Spirit. If their hearts were too hard to receive it, He clearly demonstrates (with Paul, most obviously) that He is able and willing to overwhelm perhaps one of the hardest hearts in history. We know God loves all His children, and Paul is explicit in saying He loves all the Jews, the heirs to Abraham's promise.

God also clearly has the power to soften hearts: Matthew 13:13 tells an (unlucky) story for the unbeliever - Jesus has spoken in parables for the very reason that if they heard His Word clearly, their hearts would soften and they would repent, and He would heal them. Yet He does not - - they were not chosen. We know that God is holy and righteous beyond our imagining, but here I believe we should ponder what purpose God has for sovereignly preserving these people in unbelief.
 
This is a good question, Novice, that can be best understood through another analogy.

If you are blind & God heals you & opens your eyes, you will automatically be able to see. But let's say you don't want your eyes opened. If God opens them, you will be in torment for the rest of your life because you know you have the ability to see but don't want to. Therefore, God will not open the eyes of those who cannot handle the truth. Only God knows the hearts & minds of men & how much each of us can handle. That's why Jesus says; "He who seeks will find." In other words, those who want heaven can have it & those who don't want it won't have it. Everyone is therefore, getting his wish.

So again the key issue here is not whether or not we have free will, it is that none of us knows if we are being called by God. We are therefore, completely accountable for our actions, attitudes, & beliefs. Atheists are the first ones to admit they are accountable because they don't believe in God or Satan. The freely and proudly reject God.

I also want to add that scripture does not contradict itself. Therefore, if someone has an interpretation that contradicts scripture, it cannot be a true one. But human wisdom does contradict itself because it comes from the sinful nature. And that is why, when we read the bible, we need to ask God for spiritual discernment which will reveal the truth to us because Jesus says the Holy Spirit "will lead you into all truth."

We human beings have so much to learn because we are not omniscient. So why would the bible then be easy to understand? But again, Jesus gives us the Holy Spirit so that we can understand the mind of God to the degree that we are called to. So again, any interpretation that contradicts scripture cannot be a true one. :)
 
Heidi, I appreciate what you have said, that Salvation is all of the Lord, and when we believe, even that faith is a gift (Eph. 2:8,9).

To others: read again Rom.3:9-18. All humanity are sinners; no one is understanding; not one is seeking after God. If someone receives Christ by faith, it is because the Holy Spirit through God's word, creates this faith. "Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" Rom.10:17 AV.

It is true, as Paul tells us in Rom.8 and Eph.1, that we, the Church, the body of Christ, were foreknown, predestined, called, justified and glorified (will be), by God, to whom be praise for His glorious grace.

No believer is perfect, yet we are encouraged to "walk in the Spirit" and not fulfill the desires of the flesh. And even though "we" sin, God's grace is greater than all our sin, and further we have the Holy Spirit making it's home in us. We are sealed by the Spirit, as a "down payment", so, even though believers sin, and we will, God's Spirit will never leave us.
 
Again, the best way to illustrate this is through the analogy of the relationship between parents & their children. Parents create an environment in which their children feel like they're making their own decisions when in reality the parents are creating the environment in which they can do so. But the child thinks he is making his own decision. And that is paramount in each individual to not feel forced to do what he doesn't want to do. And that is exactly how God treats us. We need to believe the decision is coming from us. But God has been in control the whole time. God chose Paul. Paul did not choose God. Jesus said to his discpiles, "I chose you. You did not choose me."
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I like this :) A very good analogy!!

I agree with you Heidi but I have one question for you, and I'm sure that someone here will be able to help me, and that is.. When Peter said in Acts "Saves yourselves from this untoward generation!". What was he really saying? Was he really saying to 'save ourselves' or was he wanting us to exercise our free will and choose Christ for our salvation? And how does that fit in with "We can't save ourselves" debate?

Thank you :)
 
To understand what Jesus did for us we may have to understand why we r here. Consider this, God hates sin, God will not be around sin, God will allow no sin into His kingdom. So why did God create a place that He knew would be so sinful and full of suffering? God wants something. The angels stood before God every day and yet 1/3 of them rebelled because they WANTED what God would not allow and they WANTED it MORE than they WANTED God. If they would have WANTED God MOST then they would not have rebelled. We r here because of what the angels did. We r here to be tested and tried, molded and made ready for heaven. God will have no more rebellion in His kingdom. If u can serve God no matter the cost like Job and Joseph (go through the fire), IF u can obey and surrender ur will and do God's will (take up ur cross), IF u can obey and say no to sin here while being tempted (overcome). Then u will have no problem serving and obeying God in His kingdom. God will not just zap u and make u to where u will never sin nor rebel, if He were to do that then He would be programming u and u would be no more than a robot (free will). U say there will be no tempter in heaven. But u will still want and desire. The bible says that a man is tempted when he is drawn away because of his own lust. It is something that u want or desire. U cannot be tempted by something u care nothing about. We have a life time (some longer than others) to become what God wants. We must come to the place that God and the things of God r all we want (most important to us), it is the only way that we will never rebel. Job is the perfect example of what God wants in a people. Job will serve God no matter the cost and hates sin ( u do not do what u truly hate), Job will never rebel against God. What did Jesus do for me? He took away my sin and allowed me to be brought into fellowship with God. I hope this helps u.
 
I just want to share this little snippet that I heard a pastor preach once.

He likened the bible to one big romance novel, full of love for his bride to be. He loves us so much that he came bearing gifts so that we may be wooed into loving him in return (free will). Now that we have been wooed and love him so much we are to obey...but why?

How about this story...

Say you have a man who loves a woman but beat her everytime she didn't do things for him. Like made her obey him by beating her every night "Iron my clothes - or you'll get it". The women would very well obey the husband...but why? Because she loved him and wanted to please him? No!!! Because she feared the consequences!!!!

That is not my Daddy - nope! He does not beat me into submision and obedience. He does not threaten me into doing what he says...he simply loves me like a Father. HE loves me so much and gives me so much and has wooed me and now I love him in return. I love him so much it hurts!!! So what do I do? I do things for him, and do what I think will please him, not because I want to go to heaven, not because I want to look good but because I love him so.

My God doesn't want me to obey him out of fear of not being able to go to heaven - he only wants me to love him and because I love him...the rest will just flow along with it.

My God doesn't want our mindless obedience out of fear - he wants our love - pure and simple.
 
Believe it or not

Novice said:
Or do you think we can get rid of our sins on our own?
Click to expand...

The Lord has clearly done the work to free us from sin - No Christian would deny it. The question that is constantly avoided:

Who controls whether that work is effective; God, or the believer?

Heidi, time and again you state both positions and glibly maintain there is no problem. But in your post above you claim one "work" that seems to be the believer's alone. And that work seems to ultimately control whether Christ's work is effective:

Because we are Christians, all we have to do is admit the truth about our sins and Christ is faithful & just to forgive our sins. The more sins we confess, the more God replcaes them with his mercy, love, and forgiveness until one day, all that is all that's left in us.
Click to expand...

So, the question to Heidi:

A) Did Heidi choose "on her own" (of her own "free will"), to "admit the truth about [her] sins", and "confess [her] sins", OR
B) Did God choose Heidi, overwhelming her feeble resistance, and convicting her irrevocably to bend her knees and repent?

If He chose US (as I believe the Scripture clearly states) to come to Him, why then did He not choose others?

Are they less worthy than we? If so, why did He make them thus?
No, they are not less worthy than us, but instead unresponsive to His call (because of pride or other flaws - - which is just another way of saying they are unworthy). But why would the Creator make them deaf to the most critical call of all?

You try to camoflage the problem with an "argument" I would restate as "The 1% Solution":

They have "free will", you say. But then so did you, and you chose Him, so now you're back to saying it was your ultimate decision, and not God's that ultimately saved you (or allowed Christ to save you). God did 99% of the saving work, yes, but you provided that last 1% (your repentance, your admission, your...humility!) to make it effective, and that little piece is what separates you from "the atheists", or "the Jews", or whatever other group you want to name and condemn.

Fear not, oh Repentant, Humble, Worthy Christian - - for you, and such (few) others who reflect your humility and temperance, did Our Lord give his life, not for those stiff-necked, those proud, those, those, those . . .

Sinners!
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The answer is a resounding "No", I did not come to believe because of my superior wisdom & intelligdence, & pure, loving heart. God was drawing me the whole time. Again, as I've said repeatedly, I could not believe the bible until I received the Holy Spirit. It is God who is responsible for my faith as Ephesians 2:8-9 says; "It is by grace you have been saved through faith-and this not from yourselves-it is a gift from God so that no one can boast." What part of that do you not believe? :o

Paul also says; "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from God for they are foolishness to him and he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned." Again, Paul affirms that it is the Holy Spirit which allows us to understand the things that come from God. The Holy Spirit does not come from people, it comes from God.

I am appalled at the question by Christians of whether we have more power than God! The answer should be obvious! Again for the umpteenth time, God is responsible for everything good in us, not our wonderful selves. God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy & hardens whom he wants to harden. God makes the decisions of the universe, not us!
Click to expand...
:angel: RECOGNIZING GODS PRESENCE,
I is written, it must be known:
It is unmistakable clear that the Holly SPIRIT lives in every
Believer in JESUS CHRIST read :.................................
Your Choice [ everlasting life or dead ] Read : 1Corinthians 3:16-17
Are you not aware that you are The TEMPLE of GOD .
And that the SPIRIT of GOD dwells in you. And if anyone
destroys GODS Temple , GOD will destroy him.
For the Temple of GOD is Holly , and you are that Temple.
Read: 1Corinthians 6:9-10 and 6:15-20
Act 7:48 and Act 17:24-25 also Romans 8:11
Let no man ( deceive ) him self.
Now you don’t have to look for GOD faraway ,because
He is as close as your self. ( that is, if you accept His presence )
When you do Accept, you are the keeper of GODS Temple.
That means, you have to follow the house rules,
( GODS Commandment ) keep the Temple clean from the world
evil[ satan influence ] such as : in Leviticus 19:28 and
1Corinthians 6:6-10 and 1Corinthians 7:8-11 etc. etc.
Tell the World this GOOD NEWS read: Matthew 24:14

:angel:
 
Believe it or not

Heidi said:
Novice said:
Or do you think we can get rid of our sins on our own?
Click to expand...

The Lord has clearly done the work to free us from sin - No Christian would deny it. The question that is constantly avoided:

Who controls whether that work is effective; God, or the believer?

Heidi, time and again you state both positions and glibly maintain there is no problem. But in your post above you claim one "work" that seems to be the believer's alone. And that work seems to ultimately control whether Christ's work is effective:

[quote:fc959]Because we are Christians, all we have to do is admit the truth about our sins and Christ is faithful & just to forgive our sins. The more sins we confess, the more God replcaes them with his mercy, love, and forgiveness until one day, all that is all that's left in us.
Click to expand...

So, the question to Heidi:

A) Did Heidi choose "on her own" (of her own "free will"), to "admit the truth about [her] sins", and "confess [her] sins", OR
B) Did God choose Heidi, overwhelming her feeble resistance, and convicting her irrevocably to bend her knees and repent?

If He chose US (as I believe the Scripture clearly states) to come to Him, why then did He not choose others?

Are they less worthy than we? If so, why did He make them thus?
No, they are not less worthy than us, but instead unresponsive to His call (because of pride or other flaws - - which is just another way of saying they are unworthy). But why would the Creator make them deaf to the most critical call of all?

You try to camoflage the problem with an "argument" I would restate as "The 1% Solution":

They have "free will", you say. But then so did you, and you chose Him, so now you're back to saying it was your ultimate decision, and not God's that ultimately saved you (or allowed Christ to save you). God did 99% of the saving work, yes, but you provided that last 1% (your repentance, your admission, your...humility!) to make it effective, and that little piece is what separates you from "the atheists", or "the Jews", or whatever other group you want to name and condemn.

Fear not, oh Repentant, Humble, Worthy Christian - - for you, and such (few) others who reflect your humility and temperance, did Our Lord give his life, not for those stiff-necked, those proud, those, those, those . . .

Sinners!
Click to expand...

The answer is a resounding "No", I did not come to believe because of my superior wisdom & intelligdence, & pure, loving heart. God was drawing me the whole time. Again, as I've said repeatedly, I could not believe the bible until I received the Holy Spirit. It is God who is responsible for my faith as Ephesians 2:8-9 says; "It is by grace you have been saved through faith-and this not from yourselves-it is a gift from God so that no one can boast." What part of that do you not believe? :o

Paul also says; "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from God for they are foolishness to him and he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned." Again, Paul affirms that it is the Holy Spirit which allows us to understand the things that come from God. The Holy Spirit does not come from people, it comes from God.

I am appalled at the question by Christians of whether we have more power than God! The answer should be obvious! Again for the umpteenth time, God is responsible for everything good in us, not our wonderful selves. God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy & hardens whom he wants to harden. God makes the decisions of the universe, not us![/quote:fc959]
:angel: RECOGNIZING GODS PRESENCE,
I is written, it must be known:
It is unmistakable clear that the Holly SPIRIT lives in every
Believer in JESUS CHRIST read :.................................
Your Choice [ everlasting life or dead ] Read : 1Corinthians 3:16-17
Are you not aware that you are The TEMPLE of GOD .
And that the SPIRIT of GOD dwells in you. And if anyone
destroys GODS Temple , GOD will destroy him.
For the Temple of GOD is Holly , and you are that Temple.
Read: 1Corinthians 6:9-10 and 6:15-20
Act 7:48 and Act 17:24-25 also Romans 8:11
Let no man ( deceive ) him self.
Now you don’t have to look for GOD faraway ,because
He is as close as your self. ( that is, if you accept His presence )
When you do Accept, you are the keeper of GODS Temple.
That means, you have to follow the house rules,
( GODS Commandment ) keep the Temple clean from the world
evil[ satan influence ] such as : in Leviticus 19:28 and
1Corinthians 6:6-10 and 1Corinthians 7:8-11 etc. etc.
Tell the World this GOOD NEWS read: Matthew 24:14

:angel:
 
Believe it or not

Heidi said:
Novice said:
Or do you think we can get rid of our sins on our own?
Click to expand...

The Lord has clearly done the work to free us from sin - No Christian would deny it. The question that is constantly avoided:

Who controls whether that work is effective; God, or the believer?

Heidi, time and again you state both positions and glibly maintain there is no problem. But in your post above you claim one "work" that seems to be the believer's alone. And that work seems to ultimately control whether Christ's work is effective:

[quote:5894b]Because we are Christians, all we have to do is admit the truth about our sins and Christ is faithful & just to forgive our sins. The more sins we confess, the more God replcaes them with his mercy, love, and forgiveness until one day, all that is all that's left in us.
Click to expand...

So, the question to Heidi:

A) Did Heidi choose "on her own" (of her own "free will"), to "admit the truth about [her] sins", and "confess [her] sins", OR
B) Did God choose Heidi, overwhelming her feeble resistance, and convicting her irrevocably to bend her knees and repent?

If He chose US (as I believe the Scripture clearly states) to come to Him, why then did He not choose others?

Are they less worthy than we? If so, why did He make them thus?
No, they are not less worthy than us, but instead unresponsive to His call (because of pride or other flaws - - which is just another way of saying they are unworthy). But why would the Creator make them deaf to the most critical call of all?

You try to camoflage the problem with an "argument" I would restate as "The 1% Solution":

They have "free will", you say. But then so did you, and you chose Him, so now you're back to saying it was your ultimate decision, and not God's that ultimately saved you (or allowed Christ to save you). God did 99% of the saving work, yes, but you provided that last 1% (your repentance, your admission, your...humility!) to make it effective, and that little piece is what separates you from "the atheists", or "the Jews", or whatever other group you want to name and condemn.

Fear not, oh Repentant, Humble, Worthy Christian - - for you, and such (few) others who reflect your humility and temperance, did Our Lord give his life, not for those stiff-necked, those proud, those, those, those . . .

Sinners!
Click to expand...

The answer is a resounding "No", I did not come to believe because of my superior wisdom & intelligdence, & pure, loving heart. God was drawing me the whole time. Again, as I've said repeatedly, I could not believe the bible until I received the Holy Spirit. It is God who is responsible for my faith as Ephesians 2:8-9 says; "It is by grace you have been saved through faith-and this not from yourselves-it is a gift from God so that no one can boast." What part of that do you not believe? :o

Paul also says; "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from God for they are foolishness to him and he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned." Again, Paul affirms that it is the Holy Spirit which allows us to understand the things that come from God. The Holy Spirit does not come from people, it comes from God.

I am appalled at the question by Christians of whether we have more power than God! The answer should be obvious! Again for the umpteenth time, God is responsible for everything good in us, not our wonderful selves. God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy & hardens whom he wants to harden. God makes the decisions of the universe, not us![/quote:5894b]
:angel: RECOGNIZING GODS PRESENCE,
I is written, it must be known:
It is unmistakable clear that the Holly SPIRIT lives in every
Believer in JESUS CHRIST read :.................................
Your Choice [ everlasting life or dead ] Read : 1Corinthians 3:16-17
Are you not aware that you are The TEMPLE of GOD .
And that the SPIRIT of GOD dwells in you. And if anyone
destroys GODS Temple , GOD will destroy him.
For the Temple of GOD is Holly , and you are that Temple.
Read: 1Corinthians 6:9-10 and 6:15-20
Act 7:48 and Act 17:24-25 also Romans 8:11
Let no man ( deceive ) him self.
Now you don’t have to look for GOD faraway ,because
He is as close as your self. ( that is, if you accept His presence )
When you do Accept, you are the keeper of GODS Temple.
That means, you have to follow the house rules,
( GODS Commandment ) keep the Temple clean from the world
evil[ satan influence ] such as : in Leviticus 19:28 and
1Corinthians 6:6-10 and 1Corinthians 7:8-11 etc. etc.
Tell the World this GOOD NEWS read: Matthew 24:14

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