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Bible Study When Did Replacement Theology Sweep Through The Church?

daninthelionsden

daninthelionsden

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I think Replacement Theology to be in error and I think its residual aftermath is still around in some teachings and understandings of scripture. It would seem easy to confuse times when Christ was speaking of the present ( present in His time pre-crucifixion ) Temple administered Kingdom and the coming Christ administered Kingdom ( post-crucifixion). This is especially true when Christ chose to administer His Kingdom toward those in His close proximity. He would bypass the Temple at certain times ( after all, it was HIS Kingdom) but made it known He had not come to do away with the Law until He was crucified. Christ came to do away with the corrupt, wicked and violent Temple hierarchy and become the High Priest Himself. It is well known that John the Baptist and Jesus were openly at odds with the way the Kingdom was being administered through the Temple. Jesus begrudgingly accepted this arrangement , albeit temporarily, when He said in Mat.11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the Kingdom of Heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. When this verse is seen in its proper light then verse 11 comes into understanding in a whole new light itself when He said "notwithstanding he that is least in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he". Jesus was referring to John being least in the Temple administered Kingdom. John was qualified to be among the Temple elite but took a Temple practice, baptism, and took it to the people. John forsook the Temple hierarchy and in turn the Temple hierarchy forsook John.....making him least among them. This understanding of verses 11/12 flow in direct agreement with each other and keep the chapter in the context it was meant to be in. I know I am alone in this understanding but I believe it to be correct and keeps the serving of all/meekness/humility protocol when viewing scripture. I refuse to go to table before the Lord and tell John to move on down the line as he is least among us. Christ told us to do the opposite. The widely accepted(universally accepted) present understanding of these verses flies in the face of Christ's instructions for us to maintain humility. It may be a "feel good" understanding to place ourselves above John, but I do believe it is in error. Verse 12 is still used by some to use as "evidence" for Replacement Theology.
Anyway. Everyone sees the Kingdom through their own knothole and that's how I see it through mine.
Your brother in Christ, Mark
 
daninthelionsden said:
I think Replacement Theology to be in error and I think its residual aftermath is still around in some teachings and understandings of scripture. It would seem easy to confuse times when Christ was speaking of the present ( present in His time pre-crucifixion ) Temple administered Kingdom and the coming Christ administered Kingdom ( post-crucifixion). This is especially true when Christ chose to administer His Kingdom toward those in His close proximity. He would bypass the Temple at certain times ( after all, it was HIS Kingdom) but made it known He had not come to do away with the Law until He was crucified. Christ came to do away with the corrupt, wicked and violent Temple hierarchy and become the High Priest Himself. It is well known that John the Baptist and Jesus were openly at odds with the way the Kingdom was being administered through the Temple. Jesus begrudgingly accepted this arrangement , albeit temporarily, when He said in Mat.11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the Kingdom of Heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. When this verse is seen in its proper light then verse 11 comes into understanding in a whole new light itself when He said "notwithstanding he that is least in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he". Jesus was referring to John being least in the Temple administered Kingdom. John was qualified to be among the Temple elite but took a Temple practice, baptism, and took it to the people. John forsook the Temple hierarchy and in turn the Temple hierarchy forsook John.....making him least among them. This understanding of verses 11/12 flow in direct agreement with each other and keep the chapter in the context it was meant to be in. I know I am alone in this understanding but I believe it to be correct and keeps the serving of all/meekness/humility protocol when viewing scripture. I refuse to go to table before the Lord and tell John to move on down the line as he is least among us. Christ told us to do the opposite. The widely accepted(universally accepted) present understanding of these verses flies in the face of Christ's instructions for us to maintain humility. It may be a "feel good" understanding to place ourselves above John, but I do believe it is in error. Verse 12 is still used by some to use as "evidence" for Replacement Theology.
Anyway. Everyone sees the Kingdom through their own knothole and that's how I see it through mine.
Your brother in Christ, Mark
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A good understanding of Jesus Christ from the old testament, and His relationship with Abraham is a good place to start, to have a solid foundation to build a sound Theology on.




Thanks JLB
 
daninthelionsden said:
but made it known He had not come to do away with the Law until He was crucified
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I agree with what you have said except for what I have quoted. The Ten Commandments and thde other six hundred and three laws never saved a single person. In Matthew 27:52 we find the Old Testiment Saints being released from Paradise/Abraham's Buxom and running through Jerusalem, on their way to Heaven after Jesus was crucified and had preached the Gospel to them. Jesus was quite clear when He stated that He was the way, the truth, and the Life. (John 14:6)
 
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I agree with what you have said except for what I have quoted. The Ten Commandments and thde other six hundred and three laws never saved a single person. In Matthew 27:52 we find the Old Testiment Saints being released from Paradise/Abraham's Buxom and running through Jerusalem, on their way to Heaven after Jesus was crucified and had preached the Gospel to them. Jesus was quite clear when He stated that He was the way, the truth, and the Life. (John 14:6)
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I guess it would be better and more accurately presented if I had said Christ came to do away with the Temple administered Law and replace it with the Christ administered Law. I have only recently noticed how the New Testament should be divided into the pre-crucifixion Temple administered Kingdom and the post-crucifixion Christ administered Kingdom.
 
daninthelionsden said:
I guess it would be better and more accurately presented if I had said Christ came to do away with the Temple administered Law and replace it with the Christ administered Law. I have only recently noticed how the New Testament should be divided into the pre-crucifixion Temple administered Kingdom and the post-crucifixion Christ administered Kingdom.
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Just wait until the Holy Spirit shows you that the Bible is, in the Christian Publications, the first 39 books and that the final 27, including the Gospels, in large part, are Life Application Commentaries. It changed my entire world.
 
daninthelionsden said:
I guess it would be better and more accurately presented if I had said Christ came to do away with the Temple administered Law and replace it with the Christ administered Law. I have only recently noticed how the New Testament should be divided into the pre-crucifixion Temple administered Kingdom and the post-crucifixion Christ administered Kingdom.
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He did read the book of Hebrews
 
Because of many (too long) years of charismania I believe I've been exposed to every form/manner of Replacement Theology. I tend to term it "Kingdom Now" postures for lack of a better term.

There are soooo many variants it's problematic to just brand Replacement Theology. Whenever anyone has any publicly known/shown success in the christian religious market place all kinds of other variants instantly spring up as well. If you're asking why, you shouldn't be. The answer is obvious.

With any particular slants I have been exposed to over the years, there is always some truthful positions of the scriptures attached. Just as we might observe with older orthodoxy, in agreement with the Nicene creed for example. But that agreement quickly breaks down and ends when we transition into other matters.

It would be perhaps helpful to define what exactly that term means. I don't think there is any 'standard' myself that would fit the many variants.

Christianity itself is Replacement Theology of Judaism.
 
Most of what you have said but for.your finai point,. The Romans noted the Christ followers as one more Sect of the Jewish Religion. Messianic Christians caii themselves Completed Jews. And Jesus did not come to begin a new religion,. He came to restore the Fellowship that God and Àdam enjoyed.
 
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daninthelionsden said:
I think Replacement Theology to be in error
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Replacement theology or Supersussionism started in the beginning of the Church's calling out. Romans Chapters 9,10 and 11, with many more proof Scriptures in the other Epistles. The Church of Rome was the first to cast out the Jew from the Church as if though God had forsaken the Jew and replaced it with the gentile.
 
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
King David did not replace Abraham... God has always had a people .. always a nation a holy nation..

The so called replacement (If one wishes to use the term ) was/is The Lamb of God replacing the the lambs of the field ..
 
Thee High Priest replacing the human ones
Heb_3:1 Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Heb_4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb_4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
 
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Christianity itself is Replacement Theology of Judaism.
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Christianity was always present and still is in Judaism. Judaism is the infant /childlike understanding of Christianity. Christianity is the maturing of Judaism. The NT is the revealing of what Judaism was/is really about. Grace, faith, and obedience through faith in God. The NT reveals who the OT prophecies and the Law spoke of. He is God come in the flesh just as Job said.

Here's an example. It wasn't the NT that convinced me of the Trinity. It was the OT and the Christ's presence throughout the OT.
 
Deborah13 said:
Christianity was always present and still is in Judaism. Judaism is the infant /childlike understanding of Christianity. Christianity is the maturing of Judaism. The NT is the revealing of what Judaism was/is really about. Grace, faith, and obedience through faith in God. The NT reveals who the OT prophecies and the Law spoke of. He is God come in the flesh just as Job said.

Here's an example. It wasn't the NT that convinced me of the Trinity. It was the OT and the Christ's presence throughout the OT.
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True above. If we look real close we might even see the O.T. the delivery of Gods Words to the natural man and the New Testament to the spiritual man. Which is how God Rolls. 1 Cor. 15:46.

As spiritual we 'should' be able to figure things out therein. To the natural man, Christ remains blocked out, and them, precisely blinded, by God no less. Romans 11:8, 1 Cor. 2:14, 2 Cor. 3:14.

As to replacement theology, I am aware of some forms of same that accept that Israel has not been abandoned by God, regardless, and they shall ALL instead be saved. I happen to subscribe to that understanding myself, per Romans 11.
 
reba said:
King David did not replace Abraham... God has always had a people .. always a nation a holy nation..

The so called replacement (If one wishes to use the term ) was/is The Lamb of God replacing the the lambs of the field ..
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Genesis 6:5 KJV
And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and thatevery imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.

That was close to not having a creation, let alone a people.

Exodus 32:9 KJV
And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
10 Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

Almost no people again, but Moses interceded for them.

Mississippi rednecks just look for nit picking passages.
eddif
 
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