thesaintman
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When will the rapture happend ? ( your quess time) =?
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what your prediction ?
A moment after the Resurrection.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:17
The Rapture happens just after the Resurrection of the dead in Christ.
JLB
The key to the timing (not the date):
Daniel 12:11–12 (NASB95)
11“From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
12“How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!
7 360-day years = 2520 days.
1290 days from when days stop the Jewish Temple sacrifices will cease. The stoppage of days at that point precludes the 1335 numbering must either digress further back into the 2520 days or begin at the beginning of the 2520 days.
I created this chart based on the latter of the two options.
Right off the top you will notice the chart also is based on two 3.5-year tribulations rather than the traditional one 7-year tribulation period. This is based on all the scriptures that divide the 70th Week of Daniel in half (1260 days, 42 months, time + times + 1/2 a time). IF correct, not enough factors are in place or in play for the rapture to be soon. It is rather nearer than it has ever been (which is the case every new day and every new hour).
God bless.
Daniel 12:11–12 (NASB95)
11“From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
12“How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!
7 360-day years = 2520 days.
1290 days from when days stop the Jewish Temple sacrifices will cease. The stoppage of days at that point precludes the 1335 numbering must either digress further back into the 2520 days or begin at the beginning of the 2520 days.
I created this chart based on the latter of the two options.
Right off the top you will notice the chart also is based on two 3.5-year tribulations rather than the traditional one 7-year tribulation period. This is based on all the scriptures that divide the 70th Week of Daniel in half (1260 days, 42 months, time + times + 1/2 a time). IF correct, not enough factors are in place or in play for the rapture to be soon. It is rather nearer than it has ever been (which is the case every new day and every new hour).
God bless.
The key to the timing (not the date):
Daniel 12:11–12 (NASB95)
11“From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.
12“How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!
7 360-day years = 2520 days.
1290 days from when days stop the Jewish Temple sacrifices will cease. The stoppage of days at that point precludes the 1335 numbering must either digress further back into the 2520 days or begin at the beginning of the 2520 days.
I created this chart based on the latter of the two options.
Right off the top you will notice the chart also is based on two 3.5-year tribulations rather than the traditional one 7-year tribulation period. This is based on all the scriptures that divide the 70th Week of Daniel in half (1260 days, 42 months, time + times + 1/2 a time). IF correct, not enough factors are in place or in play for the rapture to be soon. It is rather nearer than it has ever been (which is the case every new day and every new hour).
God bless.
Remember the Resurrection of the dead in Christ comes just before the Rapture.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
will by no means precede those who are asleep...Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them.
The Resurrection and Rapture are One Event, whereby the dead in Christ rise first, then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them.
I have never seen a chart where this is shown in it's correct scriptural sequence.
Could you show the Resurrection and Rapture in your chart?
So many have the Resurrection coming after the rapture, and separated by 3 1/2 or 7 years.
You correctly show the timing of the tribulation.
Could you show the timing of the resurrection/Rapture in you chart?
Thanks for your work here.
JLB
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I believe the abomination of desolation is a very short time where most of the persecution of christians take place. God says that he cut these days short so all of us dont die. If you overlay the 1290 and 1335 you get your very short time for the abomination of desolation. Just a thought. So maybe a 45 to 75 day period for the abomination of desolation?
Indeed they have. Many times in the past. This current time for the longest. But 1290 days before the end they will be abated meaning they will be reestablished prior to that.
First off all, the rapture and the resurrection are two different events. The resurrection is the raising of the dead to life and the reunion of body and spirit of every individual. Those believers still living at the time will also be changed. But the rapture is a physical removal to a disembodied state.
To date, there is only one bodily resurrected human being in heaven (Jesus).
2 Corinthians 5:1–9 (NASB95)
1For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven,
3inasmuch as we, having put it on, will not be found naked.
4For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life.
5Now He who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave to us the Spirit as a pledge.
6Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord—
7for we walk by faith, not by sight—
8we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.
9Therefore we also have as our ambition, whether at home or absent, to be pleasing to Him.
1For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven,
3inasmuch as we, having put it on, will not be found naked.
4For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life.
5Now He who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave to us the Spirit as a pledge.
6Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord—
7for we walk by faith, not by sight—
8we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.
9Therefore we also have as our ambition, whether at home or absent, to be pleasing to Him.
105 by my figuring.
ezra
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:amenRevelation 12:17 (NASB95)I believe traditional rapture doctrine derives from a misunderstanding of scripture.
17So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Revelation 13:5–10 (NASB95)
5There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him.
6And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.
7It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
8All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.
9If anyone has an ear, let him hear.
10If anyone is destined for captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints.
Revelation 3:10 (NASB95)
10‘Because you have kept the word of My perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.
Christians (the one people who refuse the mark of the beast) will be killed, hunted down and executed in a time when hiding will be the most difficult in history (technologies and the fact that no one can buy or sell without the mark). It's practical purpose (the mark of the beast) is to expose and track down Christians.
At any rate, the few Christians who survive to the near end of 3 1/2 years will be raptured out but they will be so far underground in hiding they will not be missed. In fact, IMHO, the reason the beast goes ahead with his ascent to the throne of the mercy seat in the holiest place in the temple 105 days before the rapture is because by all appearances the Church has already been exterminated.
The Bible says that the believers will be kept from the plagues to follow. It does not say how they will be. Noah and family were kept from the flood physically yet returned to the world afterward. Enoch and Elijah were translated from this world apparently into spirit since no man has yet ascended into heaven save Jesus (John 3:3). My guess (and that's all it is) is they were translated into spirit to what came to be known as Abraham's Bosom in sheol until the Spirit of Jesus (God the Word) took them to heaven post crucifixion (Ephesians 4:8-10).
Here's another of my charts.
How many times did the sacrifices stop after THEE Sacrifice?
To me the Cross of Christ makes a huge difference....
Gal_6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
our salvation is in the Cross not the second coming...
To me the Cross of Christ makes a huge difference....
Gal_6:14 But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world.
our salvation is in the Cross not the second coming...
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:17
John, this scripture defines for us the sequence of this event.
...we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them.
The Resurrected ones will be raised first, before the Raptured ones...For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds...
Together with them in the clouds... is clear.
Could you show these two separate events, in your chart, whereby the Raptured ones will be caught up together with the Resurrected ones in the clouds with the Lord when He returns.
I say one event because the Resurrection and Rapture is separated by an immeasurable amount of time, as the Resurrection takes place first.
I would like to see someone who makes these charts, show the Resurrection and how it relates to the Rapture, in the chart.
Thanks JLB
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Luke 21:27-28 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."
Revelation 1:14-15 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like fire blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Revelation 1:14-15 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like fire blazing fire. His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Yes and No.
We have faith in what Jesus did for us on the cross, which means we have the hope of salvation.
Faith is the substance of the thing hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen.
That is why Hebrews says;
so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28
The new Living Translation says
so also Christ died only once as a sacrifice to take away the sins of many people. He will come again but not to deal with our sins again. This time he will bring salvation to all those who are eagerly waiting for him. Hebrews 9:28 NLT
Peter says it this way -
receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls. 1 Peter 1:9
Jesus says it this way -
He who endures to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:13
Let the pounding with the roller pin begin...
JLB
Let the pounding with the roller pin begin...
JLB
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To my understanding the view presented here devalues the Cross... I see the Cross as the center of all... That is just my view not saying i am right and some one else is wrong just a different view...
Seems to me the whole of the First Testament pointed to the Cross... to my thinking the Second Testament does the same..