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Who Is Gog

turnorburn

turnorburn

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Ezekiel 38:14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?

18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that my fury shall come up in my face.

19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD. (KJV)

http://av1611.com/kjbp/kjv-bible-text/Eze-38.html
 
I've seen maps and theories in abundance concerning Gog.. here's one..

gog-alliance.jpg

https://studyingbibleprophecy.wordp...yria-and-iran-steps-up-ezekiel-38-and-39-war/
 
i think the days are being shortened Eugene.. @ the rate Fukushima is releasing radiation into the pacific ocean it can't go on much longer "3/4 million tons to date" and not just Fukushima.. the way people are running to and fro.. the increase of knowledge points to..

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Who are the people referred to a Gog?
 
The ocean ugh.Chernobyl far ,far worse was 30 years ago and it still emits and has an uninhabited zone near it. Btw there's a large chunk of.land that can never be used ,or lived in fir centuries. It's ftom ww1 ,it's due to the gas mines and ordinance. It's just too much to clear.the soil is contaminated.air which can carry plumes of radiation and seeds of water that is radioactive is conviewable fRom Chernobyl.


https://www.google.com/amp/www.inde...ie-1344942.html?amp?client=ms-android-verizon
 
turnorburn said:
This is what I'm after "Who are the people referred to a Gog?"
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It's not a people. Gog means "mountain." Magog means "the land of gog." Ezekiel 38 gives us the "dead giveaway" on the "identity of gog."

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth,

Gog in Ezekiel 38 is also termed:

"O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:"

Meshech: "drawing out"
Tubal: "thou shall be brought"
Correlate to vs. 4 above. "I will bring thee forth"

The giveaway is the term "hooks in thy jaws." Anytime there is a unique term, it can be cross correlated to where that term has been applied in other places. SO, where do we find that term "hooks in thy jaws?"

Ezekiel 29 already identified Gog/Magog via the "hooks in thy jaws" terminology:

2 Son of man, set thy face against Pharaoh king of Egypt, and prophesy against him, and against all Egypt:
3 Speak, and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, Pharaoh king of Egypt, the great dragon that lieth in the midst of his rivers, which hath said, My river is mine own, and I have made it for myself.
4 But I will put hooks in thy jaws,

Gog is an allegorical term for Satan, the great dragon.

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Where does Satan have his "hold?" In the mind of unsaved mankind. Acts 26:18, 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2.

What is a mountain in the spiritual sense of the term? The HEAD of the body. The MIND.

Revelation 17:9
And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

2 Chronicles 18:16
Then he said, I did see all Israel scattered upon the mountains, as sheep that have no shepherd: and the Lord said, These have no master; let them return therefore every man to his house in peace.

Isaiah 17:13
The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.

Ezekiel 36:1
Also, thou son of man, prophesy unto the mountains of Israel, and say, Ye mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Lord:

Big Game Hunting. It's always on the menu for Word warriors. Just have to know where the game is when yer huntin' allegory gators. Not all is at it appears on the surface of the waters.
 
Ezekiel 38 accurately foretold God using Pagan Rome to judge Temple Judaism. A prophecy given long before Rome was powerful or Israel had been restored from the Babylonian captivity. It has already been fulfilled.:approve
 
Unless we believe that God is going to put "literal hooks" in literal "jaws, plural" of physical entities or physical nations God/Magog, or that the "great dragon" is not Satan, we might understand the language deployed is allegorical, to convey a working past the veil of flesh/terra firma. It deals with spiritual adversity, the cause, and what God will do.
 
smaller said:
Unless we believe that God is going to put "literal hooks" in literal "jaws, plural" of physical entities or physical nations God/Magog, or that the "great dragon" is not Satan, we might understand the language deployed is allegorical, to convey a working past the veil of flesh/terra firma. It deals with spiritual adversity, the cause, and what God will do.
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Another way to put "literal hooks".. "God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will"

Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
 
God is going to bring all nations into the final conflict.. Gog is in there..

Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.

2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

4 In that day, saith the LORD, I will smite every horse with astonishment, and his rider with madness: and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, and will smite every horse of the people with blindness.

5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.

6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.

7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

8 In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
 
turnorburn said:
Another way to put "literal hooks".. "God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will"

Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
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And again, the beast hits the same identity:

Rev.16
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

It is quite entirely pointless to try to see land area maps or people when engaging these subjects. There are other directions to view, that are not 'externally' derived.
 
Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Satan has a "kingdom."

Luke 11:18
If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand?

All the nations of flesh men are "under" his evil blinding domain.

Why do "all nations" hate us?

Matthew 24:9
Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Look who's behind them! There, you'll see the hatred of all men and all nations, to YOU.

Looking at flesh men and land areas will show nothing.



 
My opinion is Gog and Magog refer to Russia, China allies.

Gog sounds something similar to the “nation” in mandarin. I believe Magog refers to Mongolia. This means “a nation in the land of Mongolia”.

I give you two scriptures that prove to my assumptions.

1. Ezekiel 38:15 mentioned that one of these ten nations is located in the far north.

2. Revelation 16:12 mentioned that some of these ten nations are from the east.

So, I believe it should be Russia China Alliance.
 
What always has me kind of scratching my head, is if we're literal horses, it couldn't be that far away. You know, thousands of miles and mountains. So in the thoughts of that day, tho, I do recall reading an article where it, gog or magog, I can't remember which is a king and which us a nation at the moment, well, it was considered Turkey. Which could be physically possible back then. But also I see Russia does drop way down in modern times. I'm sure it wasn't Russia back then. Back then far away countries are not so far away now by modern transportation.
Also, I was just reading Ezekiel and something caught my attention, which says Ezekiel 39:6 And I will send fire upon Magog and the those who inhabit the coastlands in safetly.' Hmmm. The coastlands. So does that mean Magog is at the coastlands? That could be Turkey. MODERN day southern end of Russia is by the black sea. Looks kind of odd, tho, this obscure untalked about unimportant basically, nations around the black Sea not known for much, at least I never heard of anything. And Georgia because of Russia sure hasn't been inhabted in saftey. Ukraine is known for poverty, isn't it? At least I think if my memory serves me correctly.
So then of course the other option is that it could only be spoken as the reader could understand it in that day, which is obvious the prophet can't say planes and tanks and whatever other modern day military craft there is because the reader then would be clueless. So if the country is far away in our day, they wouldn't have understood how far away that really was if it is that far away.
Just doesn't look like Russia.
 
A note in my bible says that non biblical sources say Gomer originated north of the black sea. 38:Gomer with all it's troops; Beth-togarmah from the remote parts of the north with all it's troops-'
 
I'd say it could be NATO vs Russia and their buddies. WWIII US is Mystery Babylon. It'll be destroyed in this war... Then the Kingdom of the Antichrist will begin shortly there after. Maybe it'll be Erdogan. If the west, and the other superpowers stomp each other out, I believe that will put Turkey on top of the list and they can easily turn on both NATO and Russia. Think they really want their Islamic Caliphate a huge rebirth of the Ottoman Empire on a global scale. 666 is the number for Allah after all and the globalist have been shipping in a lot of Jihads this way.
 
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